First Ownage with my FD vs. STi
03-03-07, 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by tyler916
You better have alot more than full exhaust to pull 300whp... I would think a custom tune and turbo back exhaust might do it though!
03-03-07, 06:39 AM
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Hes probably just running a boost controller with about 18lbs of boost. STi are no joke a lot of people confuse an STi for the WRX with an aftermarket hood scoop. They are capable of putting down some numbers. And just for reference the STi I raced did not seem stock. I have been around the croud long enough to know a poser who bought a car they know nothing about ,and an enthusiast who knows what they got them selves into. All I know or care about is that i beat him and could have played him along for as long as i wanted to. Youve got to also understand whats the curb wait of an STi? Like 3800 at least? 300whp 3800lbs with AWD great for low end all waisted by top end.
03-03-07, 09:07 AM
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I drive a version 3 sti type R with 300 rwhp and 1150 kilos excluding me 
I wouldn't win at speeds over 140mph :P anything higher than that and im in my redline! Gear ratios are hella short.
Too bad I live in New Zealand haha
I drove an Sti and an FD back to back...
I drive an Sti now
The 7 looked better, driving feel was the same except I put the $4000 (new zealand dollars) I'd have to set aside for engine rebuilds into mods. (the sti cost less even) and I still have serveral thousand to spend on more mods!
And the torque was better
Edit: I wanted an FD for AGES but driving one I couldnt even say that I liked it better than the sti :/ it was disapointing. Not that the percieved unreliability bothered me with regards to an FD. The boxer engine has TWO head gaskets, TWO cambelts bla bla bla and an oil pan that likes to let the beerings feel pain.
I wouldn't win at speeds over 140mph :P anything higher than that and im in my redline! Gear ratios are hella short. Too bad I live in New Zealand haha
I drove an Sti and an FD back to back...
I drive an Sti now
The 7 looked better, driving feel was the same except I put the $4000 (new zealand dollars) I'd have to set aside for engine rebuilds into mods. (the sti cost less even) and I still have serveral thousand to spend on more mods!
And the torque was better
Edit: I wanted an FD for AGES but driving one I couldnt even say that I liked it better than the sti :/ it was disapointing. Not that the percieved unreliability bothered me with regards to an FD. The boxer engine has TWO head gaskets, TWO cambelts bla bla bla and an oil pan that likes to let the beerings feel pain.
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03-03-07, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by twomucboost4u
Hes probably just running a boost controller with about 18lbs of boost. STi are no joke a lot of people confuse an STi for the WRX with an aftermarket hood scoop. They are capable of putting down some numbers. And just for reference the STi I raced did not seem stock. I have been around the croud long enough to know a poser who bought a car they know nothing about ,and an enthusiast who knows what they got them selves into. All I know or care about is that i beat him and could have played him along for as long as i wanted to. Youve got to also understand whats the curb wait of an STi? Like 3800 at least? 300whp 3800lbs with AWD great for low end all waisted by top end.
Curb weight for an STI is 3,351lbs. Plus, weight matters more from a stop than it does from a roll.
03-03-07, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ITS N STI
Curb weight for an STI is 3,351lbs. Plus, weight matters more from a stop than it does from a roll.
03-03-07, 09:03 PM
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An interesting discussion...
Because a car is geared for 176 mph top of 6th gear does not mean it has the power or aerodynamics to achieve that speed. The FD is geared for in excess of 200 mph top of 5th but even with significantly modified HP it will have trouble getting there. Taking a car to redline in top gear on a dyno (see posted picture of tach and speedo of STI) does not mean it can do that on a road surface.
Areodynamic resistance does not increase proportionally with speed, it's exponential. Some of you may have seen the clip of the Bugatti doing 253 mph on the Birtish TV show Top Gear, I recall the driver saying it took only 250hp to get to 150mph (this jives with the FD top speed), but that it took another 750hp (1000 total) to get to 250mph.
The FD has better aero than the STI so with identical HP...theroretically the FD would be able to attain a higher top speed. Given the frontal area of the STI and the factory rated hp I'd say 176 is a bit optomistic but not out of the realm of reason for one modified. And one last comment, weight has minimal bearing on top speed. It's all about drag.
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Because a car is geared for 176 mph top of 6th gear does not mean it has the power or aerodynamics to achieve that speed. The FD is geared for in excess of 200 mph top of 5th but even with significantly modified HP it will have trouble getting there. Taking a car to redline in top gear on a dyno (see posted picture of tach and speedo of STI) does not mean it can do that on a road surface.
Areodynamic resistance does not increase proportionally with speed, it's exponential. Some of you may have seen the clip of the Bugatti doing 253 mph on the Birtish TV show Top Gear, I recall the driver saying it took only 250hp to get to 150mph (this jives with the FD top speed), but that it took another 750hp (1000 total) to get to 250mph.
The FD has better aero than the STI so with identical HP...theroretically the FD would be able to attain a higher top speed. Given the frontal area of the STI and the factory rated hp I'd say 176 is a bit optomistic but not out of the realm of reason for one modified. And one last comment, weight has minimal bearing on top speed. It's all about drag.
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03-03-07, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by kontakt
Right right... but you may remember (as you commented on it) that they brought up handling. Rumor has it weight plays a factor in taking turns.
03-04-07, 06:27 AM
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Not saying it cant handle. Race a stock STI vs a stock FD on a road coarse. FD will win. Race a evenly modded STi and FD on a road coarse FD will win. Its been proven many of times I have watched almost ever AWD platform profesionally be raced against an FD and the FD always has come out on top. Sti can handle when put up to the average sports car but when you are comparing it to a superior design it doesnt hold up. Light weight, low center of gravity, perfect weight distrabution, RWD its all there. Nobody on here as put down an STi just stating the proven that an RX7 is superior. Now when you get into the realm of daily driving drivability that is where you have room to argue. Although I would love to say I drive my 7 everyday, which I do, I for sure dont beat it up like i did my eclpse on the daily.AWD launches everyother light, 20lbs of boost, 130mph cruises on the freeway, then again maybe I am just growing up lol
03-04-07, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by CrispyRX7
An interesting discussion...
Because a car is geared for 176 mph top of 6th gear does not mean it has the power or aerodynamics to achieve that speed. The FD is geared for in excess of 200 mph top of 5th but even with significantly modified HP it will have trouble getting there. Taking a car to redline in top gear on a dyno (see posted picture of tach and speedo of STI) does not mean it can do that on a road surface.
Because a car is geared for 176 mph top of 6th gear does not mean it has the power or aerodynamics to achieve that speed. The FD is geared for in excess of 200 mph top of 5th but even with significantly modified HP it will have trouble getting there. Taking a car to redline in top gear on a dyno (see posted picture of tach and speedo of STI) does not mean it can do that on a road surface.
That was on the street not a dyno... He dynoed 488whp, think thats not enough power to go over 165 ? (where the speedo stops)
03-04-07, 02:18 PM
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That was on the street not a dyno... He dynoed 488whp, think thats not enough power to go over 165 ? (where the speedo stops)
Please note what I said: "Given the frontal area of the STI and the factory rated hp I'd say 176 is a bit optomistic but not out of the realm of reason for one modified."
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03-04-07, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by twomucboost4u
Not saying it cant handle. Race a stock STI vs a stock FD on a road coarse. FD will win. Race a evenly modded STi and FD on a road coarse FD will win. Its been proven many of times I have watched almost ever AWD platform profesionally be raced against an FD and the FD always has come out on top. Sti can handle when put up to the average sports car but when you are comparing it to a superior design it doesnt hold up. Light weight, low center of gravity, perfect weight distrabution, RWD its all there. Nobody on here as put down an STi just stating the proven that an RX7 is superior. Now when you get into the realm of daily driving drivability that is where you have room to argue. Although I would love to say I drive my 7 everyday, which I do, I for sure dont beat it up like i did my eclpse on the daily.AWD launches everyother light, 20lbs of boost, 130mph cruises on the freeway, then again maybe I am just growing up lol
Maybe they forgot to. They put it in the Gt-R or told it to run RWD, which by your logic would have made it FASTER. Heck why did they even bother with 4wd! Lets compare, lightweight? Check my cars lighter than a 7
Low centre of gravity? Check! Boxer engine
Suspension? Power? Traction? CHECK them all.
Perfect weight distribution? :o They put the battery/fuel tank in the wrong places!
Chassi? Both are pretty stiff and were used successfully in their chosen fields.
"Its been proven many of times I have watched almost ever AWD platform profesionally be raced against an FD and the FD always has come out on top."
"Every" means its... RALLY TIME!!!!
Im comparing the 1996 model Sti to the 7. Its wierd to think that if a 1996 is competitive, a more advanced 2007 model won't be? When it's already much faster stock than the 96.
I hope you were being sarcastic :P I do love the FD I plan on owning a series 7/8 1997+ models. The revisions make them much more reliable than the ones you guys got. And they were originally owned by more rotary respecting, service not neglecting asians
(well if they were neglected the engines been replaced already)
03-08-07, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by RipOff
Its been proven many times that whenever the rx-7 has come up against the gt-r, the Gt-R has won. Why did they not put the extra weight in the 7 if it was so overwhelming? Maybe they forgot to. They put it in the Gt-R or told it to run RWD, which by your logic would have made it FASTER. Heck why did they even bother with 4wd!
Maybe they forgot to. They put it in the Gt-R or told it to run RWD, which by your logic would have made it FASTER. Heck why did they even bother with 4wd! didn't know the gtr, sti, or evo for that matter has 4wd. thought they were awd.
to me, cars are cars. they are only good as the drivers are. i mean **** for example, look at the zerosports sti vs. mine's GTR. the sti's weren't built for straight distance racing and from a roll for that matter. they're launch monsters if launched properly.
03-08-07, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by rotary7eaven
didn't know the gtr, sti, or evo for that matter has 4wd. thought they were awd.
to me, cars are cars. they are only good as the drivers are. i mean **** for example, look at the zerosports sti vs. mine's GTR. the sti's weren't built for straight distance racing and from a roll for that matter. they're launch monsters if launched properly.
to me, cars are cars. they are only good as the drivers are. i mean **** for example, look at the zerosports sti vs. mine's GTR. the sti's weren't built for straight distance racing and from a roll for that matter. they're launch monsters if launched properly.
As for the RX-7 being unable to beat a GTR...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpyFR...elated&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k6s73bntKE
03-08-07, 11:49 PM
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The sti is as much designed to drag as the FD...
I DIDNT say unable I just proposed that perhaps the GT-R came out of the factory better than the rx7...
**** I wrote "whenever" lol I was a little angry at the guy who said
"I have watched almost ever AWD platform profesionally be raced against an FD and the FD always has come out on top. Sti can handle when put up to the average sports car but when you are comparing it to a superior design it doesnt hold up. Light weight, low center of gravity, perfect weight distrabution, RWD its all there. Nobody on here as put down an STi just stating the proven that an RX7 is superior."
Sorry about coming out like a fanboi :/ but the above statement was retarded.
The only difference is RWD vs AWD/4wd (Tho if the literal word meaning were applied.. A bike could have AWD, A 6 wheel APC could be AWD)
I DIDNT say unable I just proposed that perhaps the GT-R came out of the factory better than the rx7...
**** I wrote "whenever" lol I was a little angry at the guy who said
"I have watched almost ever AWD platform profesionally be raced against an FD and the FD always has come out on top. Sti can handle when put up to the average sports car but when you are comparing it to a superior design it doesnt hold up. Light weight, low center of gravity, perfect weight distrabution, RWD its all there. Nobody on here as put down an STi just stating the proven that an RX7 is superior."
Sorry about coming out like a fanboi :/ but the above statement was retarded.
The only difference is RWD vs AWD/4wd (Tho if the literal word meaning were applied.. A bike could have AWD, A 6 wheel APC could be AWD)
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