finally got to race an rx-8!!!
05-26-08, 02:18 PM
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hmm, iirc when top gear tested the FE, they loved it handling wise.
I think they said that it's really smooth- you can just throw it in the corners, and it's very predictable of what it's going to do, and easy to correct.
I think Clarkson says it's one of the easiest cars to drive fast that he's ever driven or something along those lines.
I think they said that it's really smooth- you can just throw it in the corners, and it's very predictable of what it's going to do, and easy to correct.
I think Clarkson says it's one of the easiest cars to drive fast that he's ever driven or something along those lines.
05-26-08, 04:26 PM
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^ i know the review you're talking about, but it wasnt Top Gear. Clarkson hates the 350
i sold a 04 touring 350z to buy my FD. i also own an 07 TC(
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id say its actually the oposite of what you just said. It seems to me, most of the prominent members on this forum, mahjik,damian,garfinkle,etc could buy 2 rx8s. they just choose not to.
again, i like the rx8....but dont make up excuses for yourself, as to why I dont own one.
)id say its actually the oposite of what you just said. It seems to me, most of the prominent members on this forum, mahjik,damian,garfinkle,etc could buy 2 rx8s. they just choose not to.
again, i like the rx8....but dont make up excuses for yourself, as to why I dont own one.
05-26-08, 04:40 PM
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LOL I could care less if you don't own one or do. My point is that 95% or more of the people on this board have never drove or owned one. They just bad mouth it because they heard this or that. Hell, they probably don't even have a running 7. The point of my posts is that just like anything on this board, people post rumors, hear-say, and "other's" experience. They don't know what they're talking about.
Sadly, the 8 went back to the dealership and it's time for something else. I'll be away for several months and buying a house. Once settled in, I may pick up another or just go with a Lotus. That's a whole other story though...
Sadly, the 8 went back to the dealership and it's time for something else. I'll be away for several months and buying a house. Once settled in, I may pick up another or just go with a Lotus. That's a whole other story though...
05-26-08, 04:44 PM
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You actually seem like you know what your talking about, and your not one of those "douches" i mean i know probably there is an *** of fc guys trying to be drift king or whatever, and it was wrong to generalize all the FE guys im just saying around here thats how it is.
And you're right about all fc owners being broke, because i am.ha
And you're right about all fc owners being broke, because i am.ha
05-26-08, 05:05 PM
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yep thats top gear... but this must be what he was reffering to. this is the only one where the drivers choose a car at the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZFXtiKxD6Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZFXtiKxD6Y
05-26-08, 05:09 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZFXt...eature=related
Edit: Woops, posted it right above this post. Sorry, can't delete this one. But yes, thats exactly what I was talking about TK7.
05-26-08, 05:42 PM
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Cool, I haven't seen that one. No doubt the Z is a beast torque-wise compared to the 8. When I drove the Z, it felt cumbersome, though beefy. The great thing about the Z is it's ability to pick up forced induction and the size of the aftermarket.
05-27-08, 08:56 AM
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wow, a little birdy told me I was being called out in here.
It had to be a 2004 or 2005, cause I haven't had my 7 for almost 2 years now.
And no I don't have video, but I have no reason to make **** up. I had a thread about this subject, musta been 2005 or early 2006, cause I can't find it now.....
Anyways, It was an older guy and I know for sure he was trying to race, cause I heard that engine scream... and yeah I'm pretty sure it was an auto. I'd see him around town and he'd always try and race, he'd get me off the line, but I'd pull on him hard, maybe he was scared to hurt his car, while I was out to enjoy every single bit of rpm avail....
It had to be a 2004 or 2005, cause I haven't had my 7 for almost 2 years now.
And no I don't have video, but I have no reason to make **** up. I had a thread about this subject, musta been 2005 or early 2006, cause I can't find it now.....
Anyways, It was an older guy and I know for sure he was trying to race, cause I heard that engine scream... and yeah I'm pretty sure it was an auto. I'd see him around town and he'd always try and race, he'd get me off the line, but I'd pull on him hard, maybe he was scared to hurt his car, while I was out to enjoy every single bit of rpm avail....
If it was an 04/05 auto 8, then it is doable. They only had a 4 speed tranny with about 40 less hp than the 6spds. The trannies are plenty durable enough for most anything you could throw at it. An early build batch seemed to have some issues, which probably led to this pressumption.
06+ AT's are 6 ports with 6 speed Autos.
05-27-08, 09:02 AM
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^ 250 hp eh wow what frickin planet did u find that 8 from the 6 speed is stock 232 hp NA, and people are too busy dissen the 8 lotta of yall must not no crap about the 8 or should i say rotary engines in general! everyone can sit here and play the ( mine is faster then yours game) it all depends on money and time! i thought this was suppose to be like a rotary "enthusiast " type forum.??!!!!
p.s. haha The 8 is still soooooooooo much SEXIER then the 7
LMAO, oh ya and i get fit 3 females in mine!
p.s. haha The 8 is still soooooooooo much SEXIER then the 7
LMAO, oh ya and i get fit 3 females in mine!
05-27-08, 07:18 PM
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FD's are way sexier and way faster then rx8's (my JDM 96 type RS sure is!)
anyway i raced an rx8 in my daily driver car (JDM twin-turbo subaru legacy gt-b) and the subaru ate it. My FD makes my subaru feel like a slow tank...so although i havent raced an rx8 in the 7 i know my 7 would waste it judging by how it did against my subaru..whats worse is the rx8 owner had a thing around his number plate that said "yes its fast and no you cant drive it"
i was thinking to myself how misguided that guy was, he obviously didnt have anything to compare his rx8 against to see whats really fast..
i do think rx8s have their place but their place is as a relativly comfortable relativly sporty car, not a pure performance orientated machine like the FD
anyway i raced an rx8 in my daily driver car (JDM twin-turbo subaru legacy gt-b) and the subaru ate it. My FD makes my subaru feel like a slow tank...so although i havent raced an rx8 in the 7 i know my 7 would waste it judging by how it did against my subaru..whats worse is the rx8 owner had a thing around his number plate that said "yes its fast and no you cant drive it"
i was thinking to myself how misguided that guy was, he obviously didnt have anything to compare his rx8 against to see whats really fast..
i do think rx8s have their place but their place is as a relativly comfortable relativly sporty car, not a pure performance orientated machine like the FD
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i wanted to buy a rx-8 so bad as a daily driver in addition to my fd. unfortunately its speed was just unacceptable by my standards and so was its aftermarket support. i now drive a 350z and am glad i didn't make the wrong decision.
05-28-08, 12:14 AM
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Okay, I'll bite.
My RX8 accelerates faster, turns faster, has less body roll, has more power, and stalls less often than my airplane. So I guess there's gotta be something to it.
Enough of this "your 8 is hideous" nonsense, looks are subjective and my car has gotten more than enough compliments to put a smile on my face. So it really comes down to this:
Any bolt-on N/A 7 (without a port job) cannot keep up with an 8. That's just how it is, like it or not. I know this will get a lot of FC owners pissed off, but I'm sorry, if your FC with a CAI "beat" an 8, you're either lying, the 8 wasn't racing, or the driver tried to race and didn't know how. Don't believe me? I'll be at Sevenstock again this year and I'll be happy to indulge any FC owners who want to prove me wrong.
As for the FD guys: the sticker price of an FD, adjusted for inflation, was just shy of double the FE's sticker. The FD was not a big seller for Mazda and they didn't want to build another one, so they didn't. Could they have built another 2-seat turbo monster for $50k+ a copy? Sure, but that got them lots of red ink the first time around and there was no point in repeating that. The RX8 is not meant to be a better RX7; it's meant to be a different car. It's bigger, has more seats, more space, and on top of that, handles better. The only area where it falls short of an FD is power, and if you write the car off for that, you'd better give that raft of **** to all the FB and FC owners as well- though you may already, I don't read around here that much.
Basically what I'm trying to say is that a 7 owner bragging that he beat an 8 is like a Ferrari 575 owner bragging that he beat a 612.
My RX8 accelerates faster, turns faster, has less body roll, has more power, and stalls less often than my airplane. So I guess there's gotta be something to it.
Enough of this "your 8 is hideous" nonsense, looks are subjective and my car has gotten more than enough compliments to put a smile on my face. So it really comes down to this:
Any bolt-on N/A 7 (without a port job) cannot keep up with an 8. That's just how it is, like it or not. I know this will get a lot of FC owners pissed off, but I'm sorry, if your FC with a CAI "beat" an 8, you're either lying, the 8 wasn't racing, or the driver tried to race and didn't know how. Don't believe me? I'll be at Sevenstock again this year and I'll be happy to indulge any FC owners who want to prove me wrong.
As for the FD guys: the sticker price of an FD, adjusted for inflation, was just shy of double the FE's sticker. The FD was not a big seller for Mazda and they didn't want to build another one, so they didn't. Could they have built another 2-seat turbo monster for $50k+ a copy? Sure, but that got them lots of red ink the first time around and there was no point in repeating that. The RX8 is not meant to be a better RX7; it's meant to be a different car. It's bigger, has more seats, more space, and on top of that, handles better. The only area where it falls short of an FD is power, and if you write the car off for that, you'd better give that raft of **** to all the FB and FC owners as well- though you may already, I don't read around here that much.
Basically what I'm trying to say is that a 7 owner bragging that he beat an 8 is like a Ferrari 575 owner bragging that he beat a 612.
05-28-08, 01:28 AM
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Let me break it down (from somebody who owns both FD and FE)
Exterior: FD
Interior: FE
Subtle Styling Notes: FE
Reliability: FE
Technology: FE
Track Potential: FD (for now)
Aftermarket: FD
Handling: FE (I've taken both to the canyons: stock vs. stock)
Just an observation, but it seems like it's always some broke and ignorant FC owner/new arrogant FD owner that bags on the FE. Give it a rest. Most of you have never driven one, because you don't have the means to. Yeah, that's a ******** move, but guess what? Thread after thread of being broke, having no money for repairs, or just generally not knowing what the **** you are talking about leads me to this conclusion. Newsflash, you drive a 15-20 year old used car. Here's another newsflash: NA vs. NA the FE wins hands down.
Quit typing up bullshit and/or regurgitating other member's post that you secretly want to blow in a dark alley.
As for Andrizzanizz, almost every FC owner I know is a broke *** wankster douche who tries to emulate Initial D. Does that make them all that way? Can I assume all FC owners are ******* idiots, simply because you choose not to capitalize a single sentence?
Exterior: FD
Interior: FE
Subtle Styling Notes: FE
Reliability: FE
Technology: FE
Track Potential: FD (for now)
Aftermarket: FD
Handling: FE (I've taken both to the canyons: stock vs. stock)
Just an observation, but it seems like it's always some broke and ignorant FC owner/new arrogant FD owner that bags on the FE. Give it a rest. Most of you have never driven one, because you don't have the means to. Yeah, that's a ******** move, but guess what? Thread after thread of being broke, having no money for repairs, or just generally not knowing what the **** you are talking about leads me to this conclusion. Newsflash, you drive a 15-20 year old used car. Here's another newsflash: NA vs. NA the FE wins hands down.
Quit typing up bullshit and/or regurgitating other member's post that you secretly want to blow in a dark alley.
As for Andrizzanizz, almost every FC owner I know is a broke *** wankster douche who tries to emulate Initial D. Does that make them all that way? Can I assume all FC owners are ******* idiots, simply because you choose not to capitalize a single sentence?
At one time I had thee fastest street-driven FD in southern California - as said by XS Engineering and Dynamic Motorsports. (giving you this background because I have not been on here in a while and only the old-timers know me - noobs F-off!)
I can say we almost bought a new RX-8. They are awesome to drive. Yeah, the take off is weak - but ****, the car is NA - duh! And, the car is awesome handling that I would take it on the track and trust it much more than the modified RX-7 track car I had.
However, Mazda is TOTALLY behind the RX-8, has a great race series for the RX-8 and much more life.
We are all in the Mazda family guys. I don't hear Porsche 911 guys talking **** about the Carrera 2 and saying what a piece it is over the Turbo. Grow up dudes!
peace out!
Rick
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05-28-08, 01:35 AM
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^Thanks man. Perhaps I was a little harsh, but people need to get real. I love my FD and haul *** in it, but it's still 15 years old. I have a lot of go fast goodies on it, but nothing beats a warranty, new car smell, and the confidence/fun behind the wheel.
05-28-08, 01:42 AM
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Okay, I'll bite.
My RX8 accelerates faster, turns faster, has less body roll, has more power, and stalls less often than my airplane. So I guess there's gotta be something to it.
Enough of this "your 8 is hideous" nonsense, looks are subjective and my car has gotten more than enough compliments to put a smile on my face. So it really comes down to this:
Any bolt-on N/A 7 (without a port job) cannot keep up with an 8. That's just how it is, like it or not. I know this will get a lot of FC owners pissed off, but I'm sorry, if your FC with a CAI "beat" an 8, you're either lying, the 8 wasn't racing, or the driver tried to race and didn't know how. Don't believe me? I'll be at Sevenstock again this year and I'll be happy to indulge any FC owners who want to prove me wrong.
As for the FD guys: the sticker price of an FD, adjusted for inflation, was just shy of double the FE's sticker. The FD was not a big seller for Mazda and they didn't want to build another one, so they didn't. Could they have built another 2-seat turbo monster for $50k+ a copy? Sure, but that got them lots of red ink the first time around and there was no point in repeating that. The RX8 is not meant to be a better RX7; it's meant to be a different car. It's bigger, has more seats, more space, and on top of that, handles better. The only area where it falls short of an FD is power, and if you write the car off for that, you'd better give that raft of **** to all the FB and FC owners as well- though you may already, I don't read around here that much.
Basically what I'm trying to say is that a 7 owner bragging that he beat an 8 is like a Ferrari 575 owner bragging that he beat a 612.
My RX8 accelerates faster, turns faster, has less body roll, has more power, and stalls less often than my airplane. So I guess there's gotta be something to it.
Enough of this "your 8 is hideous" nonsense, looks are subjective and my car has gotten more than enough compliments to put a smile on my face. So it really comes down to this:
Any bolt-on N/A 7 (without a port job) cannot keep up with an 8. That's just how it is, like it or not. I know this will get a lot of FC owners pissed off, but I'm sorry, if your FC with a CAI "beat" an 8, you're either lying, the 8 wasn't racing, or the driver tried to race and didn't know how. Don't believe me? I'll be at Sevenstock again this year and I'll be happy to indulge any FC owners who want to prove me wrong.
As for the FD guys: the sticker price of an FD, adjusted for inflation, was just shy of double the FE's sticker. The FD was not a big seller for Mazda and they didn't want to build another one, so they didn't. Could they have built another 2-seat turbo monster for $50k+ a copy? Sure, but that got them lots of red ink the first time around and there was no point in repeating that. The RX8 is not meant to be a better RX7; it's meant to be a different car. It's bigger, has more seats, more space, and on top of that, handles better. The only area where it falls short of an FD is power, and if you write the car off for that, you'd better give that raft of **** to all the FB and FC owners as well- though you may already, I don't read around here that much.
Basically what I'm trying to say is that a 7 owner bragging that he beat an 8 is like a Ferrari 575 owner bragging that he beat a 612.
As when the RX-7 was introduces, it was world-class. We shall see how much of the prototype and the production car comes out.
regards
Rick
05-28-08, 01:47 AM
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The funniest thing is that the FE had around 12hp more when it hit the shores of California. California emissions is exactly the reason that nice 250hp number was deflated. Hence the buyback and/or $500 rebate. If Mazda wanted to, I'm sure they could buy air quality credits to run a 16X FI engine; power plants and factories do!
05-28-08, 02:33 AM
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The funniest thing is that the FE had around 12hp more when it hit the shores of California. California emissions is exactly the reason that nice 250hp number was deflated. Hence the buyback and/or $500 rebate. If Mazda wanted to, I'm sure they could buy air quality credits to run a 16X FI engine; power plants and factories do!
Rick
05-28-08, 06:59 AM
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i went to rx8club yesterday. My wife and i are discussing getting rid of the TC and getting an rx8. so i was curious as to what kind of gains people are seeing with simple bolt ons, and what kind of times everyone sees. i do this for every car i have the slightest interest in. i just like knowing what most other cars are capable of.
so i searched for "bolt ons" and found some very interesting/dissapointing figures. I found more than one thread discussing trying to break into the 14s.....
a lot of the guys said its very hard to run the magazine times of14.5. people were posting mid 15 runs as if it were normal. everyoned agreed that even with all basic bolt ons, it would be very difficult to get into the 13s.
i really didnt know they responded so poorly to mods. i have pretty much lost all interest in owning one. and please take no offense, as i still really like the idea of the car, but im much to into tinkering for more power, and would not be happy with bolt on results. i passed on an s2000 for the very same reason. no one get upset, its just my preference for bolt on response.
im gonna try for another 350z when the time comes.
so i searched for "bolt ons" and found some very interesting/dissapointing figures. I found more than one thread discussing trying to break into the 14s.....
a lot of the guys said its very hard to run the magazine times of14.5. people were posting mid 15 runs as if it were normal. everyoned agreed that even with all basic bolt ons, it would be very difficult to get into the 13s.i really didnt know they responded so poorly to mods. i have pretty much lost all interest in owning one. and please take no offense, as i still really like the idea of the car, but im much to into tinkering for more power, and would not be happy with bolt on results. i passed on an s2000 for the very same reason. no one get upset, its just my preference for bolt on response.
im gonna try for another 350z when the time comes.
05-28-08, 09:54 AM
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i went to rx8club yesterday. My wife and i are discussing getting rid of the TC and getting an rx8. so i was curious as to what kind of gains people are seeing with simple bolt ons, and what kind of times everyone sees. i do this for every car i have the slightest interest in. i just like knowing what most other cars are capable of.
so i searched for "bolt ons" and found some very interesting/dissapointing figures. I found more than one thread discussing trying to break into the 14s..... a lot of the guys said its very hard to run the magazine times of14.5. people were posting mid 15 runs as if it were normal. everyoned agreed that even with all basic bolt ons, it would be very difficult to get into the 13s.
i really didnt know they responded so poorly to mods. i have pretty much lost all interest in owning one. and please take no offense, as i still really like the idea of the car, but im much to into tinkering for more power, and would not be happy with bolt on results. i passed on an s2000 for the very same reason. no one get upset, its just my preference for bolt on response.
im gonna try for another 350z when the time comes.
so i searched for "bolt ons" and found some very interesting/dissapointing figures. I found more than one thread discussing trying to break into the 14s.....
a lot of the guys said its very hard to run the magazine times of14.5. people were posting mid 15 runs as if it were normal. everyoned agreed that even with all basic bolt ons, it would be very difficult to get into the 13s.i really didnt know they responded so poorly to mods. i have pretty much lost all interest in owning one. and please take no offense, as i still really like the idea of the car, but im much to into tinkering for more power, and would not be happy with bolt on results. i passed on an s2000 for the very same reason. no one get upset, its just my preference for bolt on response.
im gonna try for another 350z when the time comes.
But "good response to bolt-ons" is another way of saying "shitty factory engineering." Cars that get 30 horses from a CAI and a cat-back make me wonder why they aren't fitted that way at the factory and why I have to pay extra to see what the car can really do. Mazda really engineered the stock components to be as good as they could be, and that shouldn't be a flaw. What you will see big gains with is tuning (even NA), nitrous, and FI. Good tuning can get you about 20 horsepower, and nitrous alone will break you into the mid-13's in the 1/4. FI I've already talked about on the previous page, and despite the myth that 8's can't be turboed, it works very well. But if you're using an RX for a drag car you're missing half the fun anyway- and a real "tinkerer" wants to go beyond basic bolt-ons- so maybe you'd be happier in your Z- however, the days of NA cars getting amazing response from bolt-ons are over, I think.
05-28-08, 01:34 PM
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no, tinkerer means EXACTLY what it says. i only want to do very minor, simple things to improve the design from the factory.
saying good bolt on response is poor engineering, is silly. it has nothing to do with engineering. manufactures have those intakes and exhaust the way they are for a reason. most of the time its noise. the average buyer doesnt want to hear the exhaust or the hiss from an intake. now if a company is capable of making more power with the exact same noise, then yes, thats poor engineering.
saying mazda engineered those parts as good as they could be, in this case, is fair. but also in this case...."good as they could be" is not good enough for me.
saying good bolt on response is poor engineering, is silly. it has nothing to do with engineering. manufactures have those intakes and exhaust the way they are for a reason. most of the time its noise. the average buyer doesnt want to hear the exhaust or the hiss from an intake. now if a company is capable of making more power with the exact same noise, then yes, thats poor engineering.
saying mazda engineered those parts as good as they could be, in this case, is fair. but also in this case...."good as they could be" is not good enough for me.
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AHHH!!!!!
The car I learned how to drive in: MT FD.. Fast *** car, LOVED IT! As soon as the 8 is payed off Im buying an FD!
The cars I have now: 04 MT RX8 and 1990 MT FC
Out of all the cars I have ever owned, driven, etc... I LOVE MY 8. When I bought the FC everyone was telling me how I was gonna learn what real power was and how badass it would feel driving it. I love my FC dont get me wrong, but my 8 is still my baby. My friend who is a diehard 7 fan was driving my 8 while I was in my 7. I told her to race me and she smoked my *** in the 8. I dont care what anyone says, I call total BS on the first post of this thread. I dont care if he was driving a stock FD, there is no way he beat a turboed 8.
That being said, Im sure when I get my FD I will love it as much as my 8, at least Im hoping so!! Like Archie said a majority of people talking **** are the ones who have never driven an 8 and probably dont even have a 7 that runs if they have one at all. Come take a ride with me in my 8, Im sure you wont think its slow when I get done with you!
The car I learned how to drive in: MT FD.. Fast *** car, LOVED IT! As soon as the 8 is payed off Im buying an FD!
The cars I have now: 04 MT RX8 and 1990 MT FC
Out of all the cars I have ever owned, driven, etc... I LOVE MY 8. When I bought the FC everyone was telling me how I was gonna learn what real power was and how badass it would feel driving it. I love my FC dont get me wrong, but my 8 is still my baby. My friend who is a diehard 7 fan was driving my 8 while I was in my 7. I told her to race me and she smoked my *** in the 8. I dont care what anyone says, I call total BS on the first post of this thread. I dont care if he was driving a stock FD, there is no way he beat a turboed 8.
That being said, Im sure when I get my FD I will love it as much as my 8, at least Im hoping so!! Like Archie said a majority of people talking **** are the ones who have never driven an 8 and probably dont even have a 7 that runs if they have one at all. Come take a ride with me in my 8, Im sure you wont think its slow when I get done with you!