Or, as my SCCA instructor told me, road racing is just drag racing between corners.

And really, is taking a corner gracefully really going to gain you your pride back after getting your *** handed to you by a wagon with a soccor ball sticker over the gas door?

The car in question is the GTO. If it can pull .85g and the FD pulls .97g, do you really think you can wizz past one in a corner if it gets to the corner before you? And even if you did, at 400ftlbs of torque, he would pull past you exiting the turn.

 

slip stream? If the corner was sharp enough for the FD to have a real advantage, they would be going slow enough for a slip stream to not really matter. And you're forgetting what 400ftlbs of torque feels like.

If we're comparing stock for stock, 400lbs vs 215lbs of the FD's 13BREW is QUITE a difference. I don't care if the GTO is 850lbs heaver, twice as much torque means alot coming out of a turn.

Obviously, this is an over simplification that you didn't get. You're right, after paying for tons of schooling, we met, he gave me 1 sentence of wizdom, and walked off. And drag racers spend tons of money on good brakes. Any more useless info you want to add?

 

Sorry, I don't buy the "drag racing between corners" line. If we were talking about simply road racing, then yeah, handling is just a part of it, but as far as autox goes, handling is most of it since you don't have to worry about passing. I murdered lots of much faster cars when I autoxed in my Celica, which is by no means a powerhouse and it was FWD (GT-S with an auto, it was slow). But I could run and beat modern Porsches, destroy most any domestic, and really only had trouble from the miatas, mini's, vettes, and one Nissan Sentra in particuler (Don Bruner Jr., I don't know if you've gotten to race with him since he's in a different region than what you guys run up here? he's a trip). I haven't gotten to autox in my FD yet, but I'm more than confident that I could do the same now that I have more power, rwd, and stickier tires.

 

the GTO will be better without the ugly front grill

 

The current Grand Prix GTP is indeed a 5.3 liter V8. Check Pontiac's website if you disagree.

 

And?

 

As far as braking distance, FD's braking from 60-0 is 110ft; the GTO is 125ft.

 

OK so the FD has the handling and styling of a "sports car" you desire.

And the GTO has a kick-@ss 400 HP, 400 ft-lb, aluminum V8 engine.

I wonder if you could..... naaah!

 

lol +1

 

lol +1

you guys get way too hung up on semantics

as if being a 'sports car' makes a car more prestigious
i'm sure ferrari owners laugh at the thought of anything costing less than a couple hundred k being defined as a 'sports car'
**** is stupid
a car is just a car

if you get blown away by a minivan...well
sure you could sit there and scoff at the fact that its not a 'sportscar'
doesn't change the fact that you got blown away by a minivan

 

Yeah, I could really care less. I like it, that's all that matters. Same as you all who love your FDs. That's all that matters

 

LOL over here. I almost choked when I read this. Time to up your game my friend.

 

OMG NO WAY GTFO!!

 

too late for me I'm afraid...

 

v8s are heavy. they are so heavy that they throw the legendary 50/50 balance off to a distasteful 50/50 balance. i cant believe you'd ruin the perfect balance.

what a waste of a car. Who wants torque? Torque is the enemy of making real power.

And who wants something that can be worked on by most mechanics? I'd rather have something rare and complicated so if it breaks down, I'm stranded and have to get it towed to a shop 50 miles away.

With all of this said, I like your battery. Not joking about that

 

Or you could just learn to work on the car yourself, and ensure that the job gets done right, the first time. Fancy that .

 

yea they burn gas like no tomorrow, more so than the rotary !!!
and they are un-reliable as well, since when the american made a reliable car ?

 

hmmm, I polished off a GTO just the other day in my FD from a stop and then from a roll. Maybe because there where no rotors involved in the race.

I love GTO's BTW, There is one in town that does all types of races, and I would wager it would beat up on my FD in any type of race we got into.

 

I like it

 

The ls1 v8 is about 40-50 lbs heavier than the stock fd motor, if im not mistaken (aluminum block).
With that smaller batter, minus the accessories, I'm sure he doesn't feel a difference between that and stock. Well, other than the higher hp and gobs of torque .

 

Drive one. I didn't like it at all in the car I drove. Adding 50 pounds and an engine that doesn't like to rev to a car like this feels more like your tying your shoe laces together. I'm sure if you do enough magic with the suspension you can get similar performance, but seriously, drive one.


Anyway, back into the debate. Everyone on here is talking about being beaten by a grocery getter. How many SRT8 Magnum 6 speeds do you think your going to run across being driven by a soccer mom? The rest are not anything to write home about. Same with the GTO, unless your getting a sports package GTO with the hopped up engine, it's not that fast. Not to mention a Magnum SRT8 with a soccer mom behind the wheel who has no track experience will NOT pull the 1/4 times the stickers say.

Another argument I find interesting is that he keeps referring to the GT cars. How about this, you bust out the GT car and put it against the Le Mans 20b Mazda ran and we will see which one wins. That's about what your comparing when you compare the GT car to you GTO you bought from a dealership. They are not even a little bit a like other then the badge.

I love when people get offended that they own a "sports sedan" rather then a "sports car". If you want to have the title of a sports car, buy a sports car. If you like the car you have, stop whining. My BMW's are "sports sedans", but that doesn't change the fact that they are 400HP and can rock most peoples worlds in a straight line. Heck, pick up a 98 540i sport, drop a chip and basic mods on it and run 13s all day long with the AC blowin cold... but it's not a "sports car".

I think the whole problem is that "sports car" doesn't really mean "sports car". Here in America we call things sports cars and sport sedans, but other countries do a better job of labeling them "sport sedans" and "sport coupes". That right there would clear up a lot of the debate... until people decide to argue over the definition of the coupe (it's not just having 2 doors by the way).

 

I like the GTO's alot, all that power is fun but the handling and road feel is not there. That does come with getting comfortable with the car though.

However I would love to have one as a DD and more of a straight line car. They are a great bang for the buck and the I find the sublte styling appealing. In fact I would take an 05-06 without the hoodscoops.

Oh CasperIV,
You probably won't find anyone driving a six speed srt8 since they are all auto's.