FD3S vs 06 GTO
05-29-07, 05:12 PM
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And really, is taking a corner gracefully really going to gain you your pride back after getting your *** handed to you by a wagon with a soccor ball sticker over the gas door?
The car in question is the GTO. If it can pull .85g and the FD pulls .97g, do you really think you can wizz past one in a corner if it gets to the corner before you? And even if you did, at 400ftlbs of torque, he would pull past you exiting the turn.
05-29-07, 05:28 PM
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^ did you forget that you have to brake before a turn?
i don't know for sure, but i'm convinced an FD will stop better than a GTO... also, a lighter car will corner better than a heavier car...
i'm sure if a GTO was entering a corner being followed by an FD, that the FD would be all over its rear and would enter the GTO's slipstream at the corner exit and NOT be LEFT BEHIND...
but you don't BRAKE when your drag racing... i wouldn't consider that to be good advice coming from a SCCA driving instructor 
i don't know for sure, but i'm convinced an FD will stop better than a GTO... also, a lighter car will corner better than a heavier car...
i'm sure if a GTO was entering a corner being followed by an FD, that the FD would be all over its rear and would enter the GTO's slipstream at the corner exit and NOT be LEFT BEHIND...
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05-29-07, 05:49 PM
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If we're comparing stock for stock, 400lbs vs 215lbs of the FD's 13BREW is QUITE a difference. I don't care if the GTO is 850lbs heaver, twice as much torque means alot coming out of a turn.
Obviously, this is an over simplification that you didn't get. You're right, after paying for tons of schooling, we met, he gave me 1 sentence of wizdom, and walked off. And drag racers spend tons of money on good brakes. Any more useless info you want to add?
05-29-07, 06:26 PM
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Sorry, I don't buy the "drag racing between corners" line. If we were talking about simply road racing, then yeah, handling is just a part of it, but as far as autox goes, handling is most of it since you don't have to worry about passing. I murdered lots of much faster cars when I autoxed in my Celica, which is by no means a powerhouse and it was FWD (GT-S with an auto, it was slow). But I could run and beat modern Porsches, destroy most any domestic, and really only had trouble from the miatas, mini's, vettes, and one Nissan Sentra in particuler (Don Bruner Jr., I don't know if you've gotten to race with him since he's in a different region than what you guys run up here? he's a trip). I haven't gotten to autox in my FD yet, but I'm more than confident that I could do the same now that I have more power, rwd, and stickier tires.
05-29-07, 06:38 PM
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slip stream? If the corner was sharp enough for the FD to have a real advantage, they would be going slow enough for a slip stream to not really matter. And you're forgetting what 400ftlbs of torque feels like.
If we're comparing stock for stock, 400lbs vs 215lbs of the FD's 13BREW is QUITE a difference. I don't care if the GTO is 850lbs heaver, twice as much torque means alot coming out of a turn.
Obviously, this is an over simplification that you didn't get. You're right, after paying for tons of schooling, we met, he gave me 1 sentence of wizdom, and walked off. And drag racers spend tons of money on good brakes. Any more useless info you want to add?
If we're comparing stock for stock, 400lbs vs 215lbs of the FD's 13BREW is QUITE a difference. I don't care if the GTO is 850lbs heaver, twice as much torque means alot coming out of a turn.
Obviously, this is an over simplification that you didn't get. You're right, after paying for tons of schooling, we met, he gave me 1 sentence of wizdom, and walked off. And drag racers spend tons of money on good brakes. Any more useless info you want to add?
i believe drag racers DO upgrade their braking system but only for the sole purpose of safety... basically, to protect their investment... it is not used to BETTER their performance.
crap, i'm out of time for now, but i'll be back...
oh, and i don't think USELESS information EXISTS. i find your response to be retaliation for my "naive" remarks... i didn't mean to offend you and i see how the words i used to "attack" your SCCA instructor could've done so... i'm sorry if i offended ya, but i'm not sorry for my remarks about your SCCA instructor...
05-29-07, 11:31 PM
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If you're talking about the Magnums, they're not catering to the soccor moms, just look at their ads.
Grand Prixes haven't came from the factory with a V8 since 1988, 19 years ago. Since then, they've came with the 3.8s, some of them supercharged.
Despite all the media hype, SUVs don't have the rollover rate that you are portraying. I do alot of work in a body shop in Gwood, you know the one, and I've only seen 1 SUV rollover.
And imports never roll over do they?
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/0...29001f2487.htm
You think this FD rolled over?
Grand Prixes haven't came from the factory with a V8 since 1988, 19 years ago. Since then, they've came with the 3.8s, some of them supercharged.
Despite all the media hype, SUVs don't have the rollover rate that you are portraying. I do alot of work in a body shop in Gwood, you know the one, and I've only seen 1 SUV rollover.
And imports never roll over do they?
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/0...29001f2487.htm
You think this FD rolled over?
05-30-07, 09:15 AM
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OK so the FD has the handling and styling of a "sports car" you desire. 
And the GTO has a kick-@ss 400 HP, 400 ft-lb, aluminum V8 engine.
I wonder if you could..... naaah!
And the GTO has a kick-@ss 400 HP, 400 ft-lb, aluminum V8 engine.
I wonder if you could..... naaah!
05-30-07, 10:22 AM
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05-30-07, 10:27 AM
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lol +1
you guys get way too hung up on semantics
as if being a 'sports car' makes a car more prestigious
i'm sure ferrari owners laugh at the thought of anything costing less than a couple hundred k being defined as a 'sports car'
**** is stupid
a car is just a car
if you get blown away by a minivan...well
sure you could sit there and scoff at the fact that its not a 'sportscar'
doesn't change the fact that you got blown away by a minivan
you guys get way too hung up on semantics
as if being a 'sports car' makes a car more prestigious
i'm sure ferrari owners laugh at the thought of anything costing less than a couple hundred k being defined as a 'sports car'
**** is stupid
a car is just a car
if you get blown away by a minivan...well
sure you could sit there and scoff at the fact that its not a 'sportscar'
doesn't change the fact that you got blown away by a minivan
05-30-07, 11:24 AM
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I guess I just feel threatened by the fact that a soccer mom or dad at the light next to me could possibly blow me away in their sedan. I mean I'm supposed to be driving a legend and they can carry 2 kids and their groceries but yet still outrun me in the 1/4.
It just ain't fair I tells ya.
It just ain't fair I tells ya.
05-30-07, 12:48 PM
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05-30-07, 11:19 PM
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v8s are heavy. they are so heavy that they throw the legendary 50/50 balance off to a distasteful 50/50 balance. i cant believe you'd ruin the perfect balance.
what a waste of a car. Who wants torque? Torque is the enemy of making real power.
And who wants something that can be worked on by most mechanics? I'd rather have something rare and complicated so if it breaks down, I'm stranded and have to get it towed to a shop 50 miles away.
With all of this said, I like your battery. Not joking about that
what a waste of a car. Who wants torque? Torque is the enemy of making real power.
And who wants something that can be worked on by most mechanics? I'd rather have something rare and complicated so if it breaks down, I'm stranded and have to get it towed to a shop 50 miles away.
With all of this said, I like your battery. Not joking about that
05-31-07, 12:00 AM
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v8s are heavy. they are so heavy that they throw the legendary 50/50 balance off to a distasteful 50/50 balance. i cant believe you'd ruin the perfect balance.
what a waste of a car. Who wants torque? Torque is the enemy of making real power.
And who wants something that can be worked on by most mechanics? I'd rather have something rare and complicated so if it breaks down, I'm stranded and have to get it towed to a shop 50 miles away.
With all of this said, I like your battery. Not joking about that
what a waste of a car. Who wants torque? Torque is the enemy of making real power.
And who wants something that can be worked on by most mechanics? I'd rather have something rare and complicated so if it breaks down, I'm stranded and have to get it towed to a shop 50 miles away.
With all of this said, I like your battery. Not joking about that
and they are un-reliable as well, since when the american made a reliable car ?
05-31-07, 03:05 AM
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ya know there's this saying... "always respect your opponent". why? because you can learn from them and use that information to your advantage...
one can say that car manufacturers are each other's OPPONENTS. especially when it comes to DOMESTICS and IMPORTS...
there's no doubt in my mind that car manufacturers LEARN from each other and take (i didn't say share) each other's ideas. with that in mind, one can criticize each car manufacturer... let's say... chrysler... the pacifica... that "thing" looks like a toyota highlander and a honda CRV PUT TOGETHER
and the NEW 300C... most would agree when i say it's a wanna-be BENTLEY!!
sigh... what's sad is that foreign car manufacturers (non-american) are very unique and distinguished... prestigious and elegant... SHARP. whereas ALL AMERICAN cars can be described as one thing... BIG! which is the reason their cars are referred to as "AMERICAN MUSCLE".
i mean... are there ANY SMALL american cars? i'm sure there's a few...but NOT MANY... i think it would be nice to see them "switch it up" a bit i'm not saying they should make small cars, but i am saying they should look to develop different cars DIFFERENTLY. i mean... do ANY of they're best cars have an engine that doesn't have a "V" something?
and where am i going with all of this? i wish i knew (LOL)... just throwing fuel into the fire
one can say that car manufacturers are each other's OPPONENTS. especially when it comes to DOMESTICS and IMPORTS...
there's no doubt in my mind that car manufacturers LEARN from each other and take (i didn't say share) each other's ideas. with that in mind, one can criticize each car manufacturer... let's say... chrysler... the pacifica... that "thing" looks like a toyota highlander and a honda CRV PUT TOGETHER
and the NEW 300C... most would agree when i say it's a wanna-be BENTLEY!!sigh... what's sad is that foreign car manufacturers (non-american) are very unique and distinguished... prestigious and elegant... SHARP. whereas ALL AMERICAN cars can be described as one thing... BIG! which is the reason their cars are referred to as "AMERICAN MUSCLE".
i mean... are there ANY SMALL american cars? i'm sure there's a few...but NOT MANY... i think it would be nice to see them "switch it up" a bit
i'm not saying they should make small cars, but i am saying they should look to develop different cars DIFFERENTLY. i mean... do ANY of they're best cars have an engine that doesn't have a "V" something? and where am i going with all of this? i wish i knew (LOL)... just throwing fuel into the fire
05-31-07, 09:02 AM
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hmmm, I polished off a GTO just the other day in my FD from a stop and then from a roll. Maybe because there where no rotors involved in the race.
I love GTO's BTW, There is one in town that does all types of races, and I would wager it would beat up on my FD in any type of race we got into.
I love GTO's BTW, There is one in town that does all types of races, and I would wager it would beat up on my FD in any type of race we got into.
05-31-07, 11:20 AM
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The ls1 v8 is about 40-50 lbs heavier than the stock fd motor, if im not mistaken (aluminum block).
With that smaller batter, minus the accessories, I'm sure he doesn't feel a difference between that and stock. Well, other than the higher hp and gobs of torque
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05-31-07, 01:20 PM
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Anyway, back into the debate. Everyone on here is talking about being beaten by a grocery getter. How many SRT8 Magnum 6 speeds do you think your going to run across being driven by a soccer mom? The rest are not anything to write home about. Same with the GTO, unless your getting a sports package GTO with the hopped up engine, it's not that fast. Not to mention a Magnum SRT8 with a soccer mom behind the wheel who has no track experience will NOT pull the 1/4 times the stickers say.
Another argument I find interesting is that he keeps referring to the GT cars. How about this, you bust out the GT car and put it against the Le Mans 20b Mazda ran and we will see which one wins. That's about what your comparing when you compare the GT car to you GTO you bought from a dealership. They are not even a little bit a like other then the badge.
I love when people get offended that they own a "sports sedan" rather then a "sports car". If you want to have the title of a sports car, buy a sports car. If you like the car you have, stop whining. My BMW's are "sports sedans", but that doesn't change the fact that they are 400HP and can rock most peoples worlds in a straight line. Heck, pick up a 98 540i sport, drop a chip and basic mods on it and run 13s all day long with the AC blowin cold... but it's not a "sports car".
I think the whole problem is that "sports car" doesn't really mean "sports car". Here in America we call things sports cars and sport sedans, but other countries do a better job of labeling them "sport sedans" and "sport coupes". That right there would clear up a lot of the debate... until people decide to argue over the definition of the coupe (it's not just having 2 doors by the way).
05-31-07, 02:43 PM
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I like the GTO's alot, all that power is fun but the handling and road feel is not there. That does come with getting comfortable with the car though.
However I would love to have one as a DD and more of a straight line car. They are a great bang for the buck and the I find the sublte styling appealing. In fact I would take an 05-06 without the hoodscoops.
Oh CasperIV,
You probably won't find anyone driving a six speed srt8 since they are all auto's.
However I would love to have one as a DD and more of a straight line car. They are a great bang for the buck and the I find the sublte styling appealing. In fact I would take an 05-06 without the hoodscoops.
Oh CasperIV,
You probably won't find anyone driving a six speed srt8 since they are all auto's.