Outkast

I work for GM and what a coincidence, I just ragged on a brand new GTO today that was an '06 and had 2 miles on it. It has the 6.0L 400hp LS2 motor straight from the C6 Vette. The automatic is faster in the 1/4 mile, GM claims 13.0. The motor has plenty of power, it spins the crap put of wide brand new tires with the traction control ON. However it IS truly the American supra. Gross weight is 4400 lbs, it is impossible to push and when I do oil changes I have to remove a steel skidplate to access the oil pan, that weights 50 lbs, seriously. I guess it's good to protect from cracking the pan, losing oil, and killing the engine? Anyhow there are several ways to tell the "good" ones:

1. hood scoops
2. dual exhaust
3. 6.0 badge
4. 18" rims (on '06 only, '05 has 17s, but only the '03 is a POS)

On another note I rode in an '06 Z06 today with a 505 (actually it's more like 530 - hehe inside GM info) horse 7.0 liter LS7, and it pulls way harder than my 11 sec FD from 3000 rpm, and just as hard at 6000-7000 rpm. Just the idle is enough to make me scared to race it. (but I still will next weekend!!!).

Smilodon

He may not, but I do. Why spend 40 grand on a new car when you can spend 1500, plus, maybe 5000 on parts, and have something that can kick prety well any new car's backside?

Outkast

Because it is brand new, stock, reliable, has a warranty, and only costs $35k fully equipped?
Because is has a Vette motor that easily makes 500 hp with bolt-ons? I personally could never buy a GTO or even a regular C6 when you can get a Z06 for less than $70k. It's like more double the car for less than double the money. That's why I will stay with my FDs. But there is something so tempting about the performance of a big turbo FD on a bone stock car with a warranty. I hope I can whip this guys *** to settle this issue for myself and I imagine a lot of others.

Outkast

FYI, a new Z06 weights only 50 lbs less than a C6 and 300 lbs more than an FD. I hope that small weight advantage can help me compensate for their 450 rwhp and 410 rwtq. I really want to beat this guy, I am more scared of the car than the driver. People have been running between low 12s to mid 11s in the Z06s and so have I. Even with carbon fiber fenders and aluminum frame, it weights what it weights due to the big motor and 19 inch wheels I guess. Back to GTOs, they suck imo, besides being fun and powerful, they are not fast by FD standards.

speedfreak95

lets put it this way. horsepower to weight ratio. Why do you think fd's can be a dominate car without killing the motor. Granted the gto makes 400 at the flywheel. but if you are making 350+ with a 2800 lbs car plus driver and they are like 4000 you better pull like crazy or else we need to have a look at your car.
power to weight is everything in straight line racing that is the plus the rx7 has for this kind of event. the gto is a quick car for how heavy it is. but it is not worth the money. Go buy a ta or a camaro spend 5,000 and put a turbo on that and look at running near the or into the 11's. But what do i know.

Outkast

GTO can run low 12s with intake, exhaust and slicks. Only weights a little more than TA or Camaro. It is GM's new entry level musclecar, in my opinion better than the Charger and Mustang, although ugly and heavy.

2ndGen.rocket

And it looks like a Grand Prix. Maybe if anyone at GM had any ******* taste, they'd have a decent car on their hands.

That motor though, mmm mmm.....

spyder_doo

I've heard from a few camaro, TA, and corvette guys that some of the GTO engines are just 'thrown together' motors. Maybe they're talking about the 03's engine, but I'm not sure. They should've kept with the prototype design for the GTO...that was a mean looking car.

Taka87

GTO's are nice cars to drive, I thought they were nice when I drove one at Autoshow in Motion. But I rather buy an FD or Supra for that price

2ndGen.rocket

You're also retarded. You couldn't get a GTO for the price of a FD or a Supra. Not to mention, you must be 17 years old if you would pass up a new car with a better motor and an actual warranty for some 12 year old piece of **** that a ricer has had his hands on.

J-Rat

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I have also got a kill on one of these.. Guy pulled next to me and revved, still had temp tags on it. Not much of a challenge..

Yellow R1

I sincerely hope you are not referring to me or my pristine CYM as a 12 yr old POS.

I also fail to see how a new 6.0L V8 is superior to my powerplant when my engine weighs less, revs higher, produces more Hp & about the same torque? The V8 may get better gas mileage? (but I didn't buy my RX-7 for commuting).

See ya,
-Matt

Taka87

I know you couldn't get a GTO for the price of an FD and a supra, I never said you could. I just said for the price of the GTO I would rather get a Supra or an FD.

I think the engine is nice, but I hate the look, looks too much like the GP.
I've also driven all 3 and I still like the Supra and FD over the GTO. So I'm not like one of those ricers that like the cars from the Fast and the Furious, I still think the GTO is a nice car, and I liked it a lot, and I only heard good things about it..............but then I test drove it and I didn't like it so much....I dunno it felt too much like a sedan when I drove it, and I'm not someone who likes that. It was different for my friend though.....he thought the car was a piece of crap and when he drove it he's fell in love with it....he's even thinking of buying one

2ndGen.rocket

Actually I was talking to the guy right above me. However I'll stress my point again. Considering the GTO has all sorts of new options, technologies, and a warranty, I don't see how your 12 year old car can win in that department.

And that 6.0L V8 is bone stock putting out more horsepower. Your little rotary is modded to the hills to get that number, is a highly stressed motor, will not last as long, and doesn't weigh much less when you take turbos, piping, intercooler, etc. into account. Although I guess I did forget that being able to rev higher automatically meant that a car was faster or better.

Hey, my bike can rev to 17k RPMs, does that make it the best motor out there?

I really don't want to argue about this more.

Taka87

Well yea I agree it does have the warranty and probobly has a few more things small things but they don't really interest me. I'm fine with the basics, and a CD player.
I mean yea a warranty would be nice but I'm not going to buy a car for the warranty. But for the price of 32K I could buy an FD and like 5-7 rebuilds and a ton of repairs. I guess we just see things differently.

But of course if I had a family or something I would take the GTO because Supra's and FD's aren't very practicle

Yellow R1

This is not an argument, its exchange of knowledge . Fyi, my FD is putting out more, 420 Hp at the flywheel (not less) Hp than the GTO. The engine is not "stressed or modded to the hilt", far from it. Its running stock turbos for gawds sake & the engine will last a LONG time (I've got 73k on it now & compression is strong as an ox).

Last point, the higher revving comment was to indicate it can stay in its powerband for a longer time than the 2V pushrod GTO V8. Its usable power under the curve which matters & when your curve is wide - its a good thing. See ya.

-Matt

2ndGen.rocket

I guess. I'd rather take a new car with new technology over and old car. This of course is assuming that this is my daily driver that I go to work in, cruise around in, and take girls out in. Were I looking for a car to bomb around in, and possibly to bring to the track and compete in then that would be a different story.

I wouldn't buy a GTO anyways, they look like the Grand Prix.

SkylarNeedsParts

[QUOTE=2ndGen.rocket] Your little rotary is modded to the hills to get that number, is a highly stressed motor, will not last as long, and doesn't weigh much less when you take turbos, piping, intercooler, etc. into account. QUOTE]


are you smoking crack..when you make the mods you mentioned to an FD it weighs LESS not more then the stock ones. that makes that origianl 1k lb weight difference even greater. and im running the same whp as a stock gto on a VERY conservative tune for about 22k miles now (its my DD also) and my compression numbers are the same as when the engine was first built. if you take care of the FD its just as reliable as any other car.

2ndGen.rocket

The fact that you've retained the same compression numbers means nothing at all really. If you were consistently losing compression since modding then you'd have a serious problem on your hands. It has nothing to do with reliable horsepower.

LokiRx7.1

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Nice Kill....
Do you get on everyones case about rotaries?
dude everyone on this site has a 7, and 90% have rotaries. I think this is an impressive kill, sure the GTO was stock thats beside the point... This guy put effort into his own ride and took a car with half the HP of a GTO and modded it to this point. Thats impressive, whats more impressive is he is working with an engine alot of people still dont even know exist. I am a true car enthusiast if it goes fast or looks good, I would drive it.... Go drive your new car and enjoy your XM and your A/C and Power steering. My car with no options, no stereo, no power anything, is just what I prefer. I wont diss you for spending a fortune and a half to mod your new car and void your warranty. just my 2 cents, and again good kill

tphan

Picking up Chinese in a FD with you and your wife? Where did the Chinese sat?


LOL! Nice kill!

LokiRx7.1

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LOL! No doubt! My wife finally drove my 7 about six months ago (I was showing her how to drive stick ) and after she was driving my civic, she wanted to drive the 7. At about that time we were buying her a toyota corrola, she loved driving it so much she wants a 7 also. Now all she does is complain about her toyota but (48 MPG) ummm for some reason its still here. Hopefully by next spring my 7 will have a mate and they'll be nestled in the garage. I could never even ride in the same car with a woman who didnt like speed, hell when I drive my civic to the grocery I F***in autocross it, I'm serious too. I hate ricers, but I needed new shocks so I installed bigger sway bars and polyurathane bushings. I dont know if you guys have driven a mini cooper but my honda can also take a 90 degree corner at 30+ MPH. ( I still get beat by mini-vans..... DAMN THE CARAVANS STRAIGHT LINE POWER!!)

Yellow R1

You know they are small, they sat in on the storage bins . Hahahaaa. J/K.

-Matt

2ndGen.rocket

Wow, you really think I'm some moron who just buys new cars, leaves them stock, and then enjoys the AC? Damn, all this time I thought I was so much more.

Apparently you missed the pictures I put up of my FC. Look how stock that car is!! OMG it's so stock I think the original warranty still applies!

Different people prefer different things, and usually those things correspond with personal income as well. I personally would never drive around in a busted *** smelly FB, no matter how fast it was. Why? Because I could drive something that is new, looks good, is fast from the showroom, and has much more aftermarket support and potential. Plus girls will be able to ride around in it without smelling like a muffler afterwards. I work in finance, and I can only imagine taking a fellow co-worker or even a date out in one of the **** machines on this forum.

So in case you missed it, I do own an RX-7. A rather nice one at that. I just know that there are better, more capable cars. I can also afford something that's fast and not a rustbucket.