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Old 01-31-12, 11:17 AM
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87 TII vs Speed3

So last night I'm headed home from school at about 11pm. Driving up US 1 in Fort Lauderdale. All of the sudden this blue speed 3 and a civic si fly by me but get a red light. At the light the Speed moves to the left lane as to inviting me to get in the middle lane for a 3 way run. I did but I was still not sure if I was in the mood to run. I looked at the speed 3 saw a few gauges including a wideband then the Si revved and a bov went off so now I was really in the mood.

Light turns green and we are out. First gear I'm one car in front of both, when I shifted to second I lost major grip and speed3 gained half a car on me. By the end of second we were bumper to bumper then shifter to third and speed3 gains half a car again but by the end of third I'm half a car ahead. On fourth we were both dead even and had to slam on the break. As to the civic I really don't know what happened to him but I'm guessing he just gave up somewhere in there.

I've never had such a close run, we were pretty much even the entire way. I'm guessing by the end of fourth I would have pulled on him but there was just no space (road was empty but there was a turn ahead). We both agreed that it was a hell of a run and parted ways.



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Old 02-01-12, 12:38 AM
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you should of kept on through the turn! heel toe down shift and FLOOR IT! after

but good story
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Old 02-01-12, 01:25 AM
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Those MS3's can be made damn quick just for a few hundred bucks. They can easily walk Evo 9's and STi's from a roll with a CAI and DP. Unfortunately those direct injected 2.3's have a problem reaching 400+ whp without blowing up .
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you should of kept on through the turn! heel toe down shift and FLOOR IT! after

but good story
Haha nah im new to these FL streets, dont trust them yet.


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Those MS3's can be made damn quick just for a few hundred bucks. They can easily walk Evo 9's and STi's from a roll with a CAI and DP. Unfortunately those direct injected 2.3's have a problem reaching 400+ whp without blowing up .
Yeah I actually like them. I knew a guy back in Texas that had one somewhat moderately modded and could do mid to low 13's all day.
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Those MS3's can be made damn quick just for a few hundred bucks. They can easily walk Evo 9's and STi's from a roll with a CAI and DP. Unfortunately those direct injected 2.3's have a problem reaching 400+ whp without blowing up .
^agreed
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I guess the Si's vtec didnt kick in lmao!
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MS3's are one crazy teenager
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the three mustve been stock...
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I have a 2010 Speed3 with only Magnaflow Cat-back, when compared to my '93 FD R1 with only a JDM downpipe, and PFS cat-back (for now), the speed3 is actually a lil bit quicker than the FD, its kinda funny that my daily driver is faster than my summer toy, but that won't be for too long. Plus I average 23mpg with "spirited" driving.

Speed3's biggest issue is the High Pressure Fuel Pump can't keep up with too many mods, but if you upgrade that too, then these things can be made hella quick!! I like the fact that I'm still under warranty, so I ain't screwing around with that car till that's run out.
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I've never had such a close run, we were pretty much even the entire way. I'm guessing by the end of fourth I would have pulled on him but there was just no space (road was empty but there was a turn ahead). We both agreed that it was a hell of a run and parted ways. i
I'm guessing you both stopped right next to the Sears Plaza on US1 heading North where it Merges with Sunrise, or just before the curve South Bound? North bound it's easier to step on it. South bound you can't really see if there are cars stopped next to the plaza at the light just after the curve.

Now for some fun, personally I like the ramp from 595 to US1 North
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Old 04-12-12, 01:03 PM
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don't get me wrong i love the rotary engine and i love TII's but a BPU MS3 is a great car... i really miss my 07 super fun and was a perfect DD imo. i need to buy another.
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I'm guessing you both stopped right next to the Sears Plaza on US1 heading North where it Merges with Sunrise, or just before the curve South Bound? North bound it's easier to step on it. South bound you can't really see if there are cars stopped next to the plaza at the light just after the curve.

Now for some fun, personally I like the ramp from 595 to US1 North
Haha that is exactly where we stopped. We started at the first light after the tunnel with empty road and all green.
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^that's a good stretch of road there...

I'm David by the way, where do you go to school?

I'm a student at FIU right now, but I live just a bit south of where your race started. Recently picked up a Turbo II which I hope to get back tomorrow from the shop with a fresh rebuilt Street ported engine..
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Damn I guess my first response never went through. I go to school at The Art Institute on 17th. Thats awesome man hope you got it back already, let me know if you need help with anything.
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^Well I got the car back...now I'm still in the process of breaking her in. I had to upgrade her injectors because of the port job, and now I need a better fuel pump as well as gauges: boost, EGT, and fuel pressure; also boost controller...I have a Microtech Lt-10 but my stock fuel pump is not keeping up even with tuning...hit me up if you ever need anything, or a good mechanic. I'll pm you my number.
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Lol look at Dave making friends on the forums.. Good luck with the '87!
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Great story! I can relate as a good friend of mine has a MS3 with every bolt on you can do minus a turbo. That thing is fast as crap and smokes my TII. Heck it beat my friends 1st gen with a TII swap and 260whp.
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I am also at FIU, will soon be driving the FD to class on some days.
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Last time I was at the track a ms3 ran [email protected] with a few mods i wasn't too impressed
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^You mean you weren't impressed with its driver.
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^You mean you weren't impressed with its driver.
they dont have much traction off hte line .
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Yea the driver was pretty good high TQ fwd are tricky to launch but from a roll that's another story
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A MS3 with a few bolt on's shouldn't have trouble getting into the 13's even with street tires. Hell, a stock MS3 can run low low 14's granted it has a good 60.
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Unfortunately those direct injected 2.3's have a problem reaching 400+ whp without blowing up .
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Speed3's biggest issue is the High Pressure Fuel Pump can't keep up with too many mods, but if you upgrade that too, then these things can be made hella quick!!
I'm wondering when the dual pump solution is going to catch on like the GM LBZ/LLY/LM6 diesels. Currently there are upgrade options moving the pump from the 400 range to the 550, but why not add 400 to an existing 400, the HPFP on the LLYs are cam shaft driven, but the 2nd one can be belt driven! then split the fuel rail duty to half the injectors. I'm hoping to convince my customer to upgrade his ms3(using dual pumps), by beating him in a turbo 8 .
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