Vell

I add something to this You don't need a great brake system or upgraded suspension to do braking drift ... It works fine with every car if the break balance is correct.

4RM and FWD go sideway with this technique, but the FWD cannot transform this slide in drift action (AWD can maybe ... depends on driver lol)

This is definitively a good way to init the drift !

davidHAMBURG

how much power, and how fast you go, also helps.

I driven some gutless FC's. And let me tell you, if you don't have power, it's about momentum. Which means you gotta go fast!

Vell

Yep, it's ALL about the weight transfert

This is why underpowered cars are great to learn the basics. If you don't push the car to the limit you'll never be able to initiate any drift.

This is the line between powerslide and drift.

ILoveJDM

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clutchkicking is your friend if it wants to grip grip grip.

Duster524

tapping the foot brake for a brief second while the clutch is depressed and ebrake yank while lock your rears. my car take a few laps before the ebrake is fully functional. make sure its adjusted correctly as well

davidHAMBURG

can I like this post

mazdaspeedrex

Can you dig up a 5 year old thread about drifting in a section about race techniques? There is an actual drifting section a couple lines down.

revox7

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holy **** man this thing was from back in 06!!!!

overpaid4myfc

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weld your diff and find some torque and you will be dk in no time.

RotaryEvolution

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or put some bike tires on the car.

now i want to see a car drifiting with some skinnies..lol

fcs4manila

bump

Track_FC

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Decent tips in here.

Valkyrie

WOW, ancient thread is ancient.

FWIW, I'm pretty sure the reason I couldn't get the rear end to break loose back then was because 1. NA's have no power and 2. drifting with an open diff is f'cking impossible.

In fact, drifting with a viscous LSD is also nearly impossible.

I actually went drifting at a circuit in Japan yesterday in my MR-2. But without an aftermarket LSD and some suspension mods, it's more trouble than it's worth. Of course I managed to do a few drifts that would have made 20 year-old me very proud. lol

The hand-brake on the MR-2 is too weak to use for drifting (the rear end is too heavy and has too much grip, plus they don't make spin turn ***** for MR-2s), so I had to use braking drifts, feints, and throttle-off. But I was running with old 205s on the rear so basically I spun out OVER NINE THOUSAND times. It started raining and I changed back to my high-grip tires, and it was much, much easier to drift but I couldn't afford to ruin the tires I needed to drive home.

You don't want to try to drive grip on a drift course when it's wet... all the rubber on the track makes it more slippery than a wet tile floor. I ended up drifting even when I wanted to grip. lol.

PiginaBlanket

Drifting with an open diff isn't impossible? It just generally only works when going left. And although VLSD's aren't the best, I've had no issue with my g35. Just don't clutch kick like a girl, actually donkey kick that pedal.

As for MR-2's drifting, ****, short wheelbase, mid-rear setup, you better come with some talent if you wanna control a car like that sideways. I respect the guys who toss those things around.

Valkyrie

Drifting as a concept is possible, yes, but drifting at anything above the beginner level is impossible unless you lock the diff or get a clutch plate LSD.

In fact, without a mechanical LSD you can't even practice the most basic form of drifting: turning circles.

I CAN drift a little, but only when I have GOOD tires on the rear. Any tires I can afford to drift with will end in an instant spin.

Plus, I like track days and racing more than drifting anyway.

dream36realms

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I was going to add that the hand brake is absolutely not necessary to drift. that is what throttle steer is for or weight transfer. my techniqe is simple. go into the turn a little hot and right when the rear wheels begin to follow the turn, blip the throttle a bit and using the clutch/gas pedals to "feel" the rear through the turn. It does help that my car has over three times the stock ouput though :p

dream36realms

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my point is that there is a fine line between drifting and simply slidding. a real drift is what it is and a slide will cause the dreaded 360's that so many people expierience while trying to learn.

just do us a favor and do not do either on public roads. It is entirely to dangerous to say the least.

PiginaBlanket

valkyrie I'm sorry but I disagree. I can keep an open diff sideways in the "circle" or donuts or whatever it's all throttle control at that point. The diff matters when technical precision matters. The fact that you can run a welded and still be somewhat competitive is a sign that competition does not dictate equipment. Of course if I'm initiating at 85+ then having to link that into a 45+ turn then yea I want a 2-way and good tires. But drifting is about having fun not corporate sponserships, thus all you need is an open parking lot, the desire to get better and about 70 whp( if your in an 86). As for you not being able to slide without good tires, I'm going to guess the car makes a decent amount of power? Over 250-300? If so try clutching outside of the power band or after the initial kick, wait a split second for the carto oriente itself then apply the gas, throttle control pretty much isssssss drifting. For ebrake, hold the brake down for less time than usual you don't need to rip it, just clutchpullbrake release brake gas clutch out. But again it bc throttle control, I'm just saying never blame your equipment on why something isn't going your way, I'm not the best driver but I can get in almost ant rwd car and keep it sideways enough to have fun. And that's the whole point anyways fun

PiginaBlanket

just to edit the above. When it comes to D1 status of driving yes equipment matters, but until that point I think it's better to max out your potential on basic suspension, tire, power. And when your driving outdoes your car then and only then should you make a change to the above. Learn the car till it becomes an extension of you and you'll become an amazing driver.

Valkyrie

A welded diff is not the same thing as an open diff.

Either way, if you drift seriously you need a locked diff or a mechanical LSD with good lock.

PiginaBlanket

... I never said they were the same thing.. I not trying to be rude man but you sound like you've read to much internet driving and haven't had enough track time. I personally know someone in formula d runiing a welded over his 2-way, you don't need anything to drift but what I said before. Open diffs lock one way. 1.5 way, helical ,torsen awsome for roadracing. 2 way and welded fordrifting. Vlsd is adequate enough tohave fun or even be competitive in either form. Just short of pro level (where everything matters) you don't need anything. And even in pro level it's all up to the driver. The op just wanted to know how to get sideways and have fun, your posts make it seem like he needs over 2000 to have fun.... "you neeeeeed a mechanical lsd" btw if I haven't said it enough.. It's a 2 way. "you need good tires or you'll spin out" how do you think everyone is affording to slide around while burning through 140 treadwear tires??? You don't need a baller budget this is the point I'm making. When you can outdrive your equipment that's when you say I "neeed" something else

Valkyrie

Were you listening? A welded diff will work. But for a car driven on the street you need a mechanical LSD.

MOST cars will drift fine on bad/old/wrong sized tires. My MR2 will not. It needs a lot of rear grip to maintain a drift at any decent speed. In fact, the more grip the better.

If you can drift at a high level with an open diff or VLSD, more power to you. I don't even want to try.

PiginaBlanket

bro come on..... Why don't you look 6 posts up when you said drifting open diff was "impossible." Then you said even a vlsd is "nearly impossble" now you wanna act like not "listening"
face it. You don't know what you talking about and the fact that you keep changing your stances on what's good for what proves it just stop arguing I came on here just to help out. And now I'm arguing with someone who can't maintain a point and defend it. As for grippy tires on high speed entries yes you have finally said something correct high speed you neeeeeeeeed grip

Valkyrie

Like I said, drifting at a high level is basically impossible without a few basic modifications, usually including an LSD or locked diff, coilovers, steering angle mods, a racing seat, and a racing harness.

I'm not talking about sliding around in a parking lot.

PiginaBlanket

Yes I will agree with you there, Most of the time for professional driving you do need those items, I'll stop arguing. The main point I was trying to make was for all of us normal human beings who want to drive for fun and don't have the overflowing pockets in order to fund a professional drift car, you don't need really much of anything to drift. You could do well track days absolutely stock, It all depends on how you know your car. Like I said before, work on your skill. Then work on the car.