What SCCA class would I be in?
11-01-06, 06:49 PM
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What SCCA class would I be in?
I've got aftermarket suspension, intake, exhaust, and radiator. So, what SCCA class does that put me? Anyone?
11-01-06, 07:12 PM
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unfortunatly your somewhere between ITS and Showroom Stock. Showroom stock means stock. ITS is a bit more than what ya got,, suspension is pretty much unlimited but engine has to be essentially stockinside. Grab a GCR for your sanctioning body and read through that and it will tell you the mods you can do. Good luck in your racing!!!!!!!!!
11-01-06, 07:27 PM
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Autocross I presume? In which case there's no Showroom Stock or ITS classes, besides, SS is for cars less than 5 years old, and ITS is for FC's.
For the FD, you'd be in SM2 I think, maybe ASP, it's dependant on what you've done, look up the rules and decide for yourself. In either case you'll probably be seriously outgunned by cars prepped to the limit of the rules (depending on who shows up).
For the FD, you'd be in SM2 I think, maybe ASP, it's dependant on what you've done, look up the rules and decide for yourself. In either case you'll probably be seriously outgunned by cars prepped to the limit of the rules (depending on who shows up).
11-01-06, 07:33 PM
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If you're talking autocross, the car is ASP because of the springs and intake. If you had stock springs and stock airbox (K&N filter is ok) you could be in SS. Not sure about the radiator.
Obviously you should take time to read the rulebook though and verify everything yourself.
Dave
Obviously you should take time to read the rulebook though and verify everything yourself.
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11-01-06, 08:19 PM
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You need Acrobat:
http://www.scca.org/_filelibrary/Fil...solo_rules.pdf
Is that ALL you have? They consider things like steering wheels, seats, battery placement, rubber etc...
http://www.scca.org/_filelibrary/Fil...solo_rules.pdf
Is that ALL you have? They consider things like steering wheels, seats, battery placement, rubber etc...
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11-01-06, 09:46 PM
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radiator bumps you all the way to "prepared"
Originally Posted by Sandro
For autox, non-OE radiator put you out of both SS and ASP
11-02-06, 06:44 AM
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Beginning of SP, ~2nd paragraph:
"A vehicle may compete in Street Prepared Category if the
preparation of the vehicle has not exceeded the allowable
modifications of Stock Category, except as specified below."
As C. said, the golden rule in Solo is
If it doesn't say you can then you can't.
"A vehicle may compete in Street Prepared Category if the
preparation of the vehicle has not exceeded the allowable
modifications of Stock Category, except as specified below."
As C. said, the golden rule in Solo is
If it doesn't say you can then you can't.
11-02-06, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by dhcernese
Yes, it sucks. There is currently people requesting to allow after-market radiators in SP but probably not for 2007. That means you get to lose in BP. Or, you can just run in ASP like a few people I know.. ..a local region can be as flexible as they want to be and let you run ASP... until you run into folks at a divisional or national event; then you'll get protested out of ASP.
11-02-06, 10:57 AM
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radiator is BP
Originally Posted by SPICcnmGT
BP, why not SM2?? Am I missing something??
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11-02-06, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by C. Ludwig
If it doesn't say you can then can't.
The interesting and odd thing is that aftermarket radiators would have very little effect in Autocrossing. The runs are too short.
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11-02-06, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by dhcernese
Yes, you are, the golden rule: If it doesn't say you can then you can't. Do you see anything in the SM description that says you can have a non-stock radiator? (I don't). Even if it did how would you compete against the 3-rotors? Good luck!
-Andy
11-02-06, 12:36 PM
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you jest!
Originally Posted by dgeesaman
Uh-oh, I think I've been running aftermarket tire stem caps all this time.
The interesting and odd thing is that aftermarket radiators would have very little effect in Autocrossing. The runs are too short.
Dave
The interesting and odd thing is that aftermarket radiators would have very little effect in Autocrossing. The runs are too short.
Dave
What advantage can changing a radiator have OTHER than cooling?
It it's lighter, then you save weight. If it changes airflow, then you improve cooling or maybe charge intake, etc.
In other words, people are concerned that SP cars will run with smaller radiators (not larger) just like they mostly run with smaller and lighter batteries in some classes.
p.s. on the stem-caps, these are of course covered under "Stock":
"Accessories, gauges, indicators, lights and other appearance,
comfort and convenience modifications which have no effect on
performance and/or handling and do not materially reduce the
weight of the car are permitted."
11-02-06, 12:43 PM
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SM looks pretty darn open
Originally Posted by AMRX7
Radiators are considered part of the powertrain in SM, so are unrestricted. Use whatever you want.
That is the same rule that has allowed folks to build 3-rotor and big turbo cars for SM2, which is somehow easier to compete against than BP? :-)
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11-02-06, 01:42 PM
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Thats exactly what I was thinking with SM2. You can change the engine, turbo charge a non-turbo car, but you can't change the radiator?? That wouldn't make any sense at all.
11-02-06, 02:22 PM
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Compliance to National rules is not mandatory at local level. Most likely, they will let you run in ASP, despite the radiator - usually tolerated. You may run in any higher class of course, including BP or SM2, but then will compete against car with significantly more extensive mods.
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