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Old 11-12-04, 02:08 PM
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Installed pictures of fuel cells in FCs(wanted)

I am in the process of installing my fuel system, and I am looking for installed pics, preferably FC, but can be any car. I can find the "any car" pics, but I'd like to see FCs particularly. It's pretty straight forward, I know, but I am curios to see various approaches, and bulkhead designs. Thanks in advance, Carl. Preferably the pictures will be far enough back to give some perspective. I will post a pic of my progress later today. Thanks, Carl
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I have one or two but will have to scan them. I can post them next week. Cheers.
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Here ya go Carl.
The car belongs to Bad2ndGen.
https://www.rx7club.com/vbgarage.php...ype=im&id=1060

This is all you need....
http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/Pro...p?Product=2501

Tuning again next weekend with Steve if your interested....
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That link might not work...
Try this one:
https://www.rx7club.com/vbgarage.php?do=view&id=17504
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Old 11-12-04, 05:16 PM
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Nice, but I'm a fan of keeping as much fuel plumping outside of the car.

I have a 22 gallon tank in the stock location, with a welded frame of 1/2" hollow bar stock holding it in place, with attached aluminum sheet providing heat shielding.

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I am also installing an ATL 22 gallon cell in the stock location. There will however be some plumbing inside do to the surge tank. Ben, did you mount the top even with the floor, or raise it up? Mine is currently tentatively raised about 3" to make the bottom even with the spare tire well. Dave, I saw that install previously, if I were doing a street car I would have done the same basic install. I know he has a check valve in the filler, but that long filler neck is like the one that almost cost Dale JR his life at Infineon this year. Ben, how about some pics??? Thanks, Carl
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Carl, why do you want to install a 22 gallon fuel cell in your racecar?
Do you plan on doing the 25 hrs. of T-Hill or something.
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I got it for 150.00. and it fits perfectly in the stock location. Not too shabby for a Fuel Safe cell(I know I said ATL above, it's Fuel Safe).
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Just a thought, but we run a fuel cell in our FB. As an idea for a cover to isolate it per GCR SCCA rules, and for safety, instead of a full bulkhead we used the top of an aluminum gas tank from a boat. This seals all the way around, contains the fuel cell and the pump, and is easy to remove for servicing, or maintenance. You might check around some boat shops see if they have a fuel tank to junk that might be leaking or something like that. we simply cut the top off, put some aluminum angle strips along the sides. As far as the mounting the guy who built the cage did an excellent job of cutting out the spare tire well and installing a bracket system to support the cell.
We run steel braided lines, through grommets in the cell cover, along the passenger side frame rail in the car. To me it seemed safer in the case of an off track "experience" to not have it below the car to rip off. it is held in place with rubber lined steel holddowns screwed to the floor along the side. There is enough slack in the bends that should we rip into the passenger side in a bad ride, that it could flex and move a little with no fear of coming loose or pulling out of the AN fittings. Hope this helps.

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Old 11-13-04, 12:07 PM
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Thanks Travis, I am planning something similar, the main challenge is working around my cage which is directly above the cell. Carl
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I know what you mean about the filler neck in that car.
Instead, why not just eliminate it altogether and use a d-handle cap.
Having all the fuel lines etc. outside of the cockpit is hard to argue against.
I just like the fact that setups like these are very easy to access.
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The lines have to start inside, where you go from there is up to you. In my case, priobably under the car. Carl
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What if you did a remote fill and dont mount the filler assembly to the car structure? Make a bracket to support it that is only connected to the cell. Of course it would have to be a short fill neck. I was thinking out the side. Frank Ball's IT7 car had it dead center in the back, dunno how safe that would be. But anyway the reason Im asking for opinions is that my thoughts are that if you keep the filler assembley attached only to the cell, then it wont have a tendancy to tear away from the cell in an accident. It will stay with the cell, wherever it goes, the filler will stay with it and be intact. The con I see of not using a remote fill is that your always gonna have some fuel spillage in the car during re-fueling and thats a dangerous situation as well and IMHO more likely to cause a fire than the possibility/probability of a crash that rips the filler neck off.
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You can safely fill a fuel cell inside the car if you use a long funnel. You can make a long funnel for less than 10 bucks worth of PVC pipe and two elbow fittings. Come straight up out of the fuel cell, turn a 90 towards the back of the car, run back until you clear the rear of the hatch area by about a foot, then another 90 to turn back up again.
I learned that trick from an open wheel modified round track racer, and it has worked well filling my fuel cell since 1997, no spills inside the car.
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T Racer: You got any pics of the FB fuel cell install?
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Originally Posted by T_Racer
As an idea for a cover to isolate it per GCR SCCA rules, and for safety, instead of a full bulkhead we used the top of an aluminum gas tank from a boat.
As someone who knows nothing about boats can you explain why the boat tank is more handy? Just coincidence as to the shape?
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up....looking for pics of NASA approved fuel cell installs with the fill attached to the body of the car.

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Hey Carl, I know you saw my other thread, but here are some other photos I have of my installation.

Are you using an external surge tank? What pump setup are you using?
Attached Thumbnails Installed pictures of fuel cells in FCs(wanted)-030s.jpg   Installed pictures of fuel cells in FCs(wanted)-006s.jpg   Installed pictures of fuel cells in FCs(wanted)-005s.jpg   Installed pictures of fuel cells in FCs(wanted)-016s.jpg   Installed pictures of fuel cells in FCs(wanted)-017s.jpg  

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Ben, Why do you want to attach the filler neck to the car? If you are going that way, then under the license plate is an easy spot to install it. Make sure the assembly is flexible. Filler neck failures are the cause of most big fires though. Mine will be in the car, right off the cell. The ATL, and Fuel safe fill plates are generally interchangable, I am using an Fuel safe Enduro cell(very reasonable)It fit exactly in the stock location, even uses the stock straps underneath. All you have to do is cut the floor, picture frame the hole with flat welded steel, and then use aluminum angle to close the gaps. I spray foamed underneath the "picture frame to deal with all the irregularities in the floor. Carl

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Here's a few more. Sorry, forgot to mention - this is an FD, not an FC (obviously).
Attached Thumbnails Installed pictures of fuel cells in FCs(wanted)-007s.jpg   Installed pictures of fuel cells in FCs(wanted)-020.jpg   Installed pictures of fuel cells in FCs(wanted)-021s.jpg   Installed pictures of fuel cells in FCs(wanted)-029s.jpg  
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I've relocated the stock filler to behind the license plate.
The car will be somewhat of a daily driver and I didn't want to have to have the cabin smell like gas after each refill.

The ATL cell that I'm using has a flapper valve which should protect from any filler fires. I'm going to call NASA to discuss my proposed setup of running the flexible fuel tubing from the filler to the cell inside a 3" section of metal (exhaust) tubing. The rest of the cell/fuel tubing will be located below the floorpan (am elevated one may be needed to get good ground clearance on the tank).

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DigDug- from how I read the NASA/SCCA rules, that fuel setup wouldn't be legal as there is nothing seperating the fuel cell from the the driver's compartment (which is the whole interior in a hatchback). In addition the fuel lines have to be isolated from the rest of the compartment as well.


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Uhh, the fuel cell cover is removed in these photos. I wouldn't be able to run the car in SCCA if I didn't have it covered. The lines run underneath and are completely separated as well. My fuel system is fully legal for SCCA and NASA. It also happens to be legal for GrandAm Cup.

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I have some pics of the cell in my E Prod car but they are too big to post. Some one want to host them?
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Originally Posted by EProdRx7
I have some pics of the cell in my E Prod car but they are too big to post. Some one want to host them?

Sure....send them to [email protected]

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