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Old 01-02-04, 04:29 PM
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Give Drifting it's own forum section...

I'm going to lob a bomb into the Race Car Tech section by asking for the moderators to give Drifting it's own forum section.

All hype aside, drifting is about style. It is not judged on speed (which is the essence of "race") but on form by a panel of judges. I understand it is popular and is riding the swell of winter hype, but I don't think the setup, modification or driving style threads have anything to do with racing. Racing, whether autocross, Solo 1, road racing, drag racing, or simple track days, is what this forum is about.

Discuss.... <grin>
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Old 01-02-04, 04:40 PM
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well, even though it would be nice to give drifting its own forum so people stop hijacking threads filling them with crap b/c they dont like drifting, but im building a drift AND road race car here and i think that this section has helped me out on alot of the wieght reduction, suspension choices, tips and advise that i have needed. Race Car Tech doesnt really get THAT many threads, so why not just leave things the way they are?
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Don't care, so I vote to leave them here.
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Old 01-02-04, 07:19 PM
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if we have to hold drifting to the "racing" definition then track days, time trialing, and autox are out too. All three have nothing to do with "racing", some "race" against the clock and the other is just "racing" around the track without any timing. then we are left with only drag racing and road racing? Leave the section open to RX7 competition driving the racing word gets used for alot of things that are not racing. I don't autox, drag, time trial, or drift but I don't see why there has to be another section for this type of stuff. I sometimes get a kick out of some the discussions on drifting and autox, and I would not otherwise go looking for it.
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It generates enough response that it should get it's own section...BUT, I don't think it's proper to have it as a sub under Race Car Tech.


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Old 01-02-04, 10:08 PM
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"Burn the witch, BURN THE WITCH!!"

If it has a formalized "style" component to the sports, it's not racing.

I'm with BradRx-7 (not in the biblical sense of course); new section please.
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If we follow the current name of this section, then it seems to me that a fair amount of *tech* is going to overlap between drift cars and other cars. Given that, I don't really care where the technology originates-- if it's interesting or usable, I'm okay with it being discussed here.

Now, if this section were called "Racing and Driving Techniques" or "Racing Strategy and Tactics" I would agree that drift could at least use its own subsection.
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This very topic is under discussion with the Admins right now. I feel drift should have it's own sub forum because there is little overlap between "drift" and "race" information and the "drifters" appear to be a different kind of enthusiast than the "racers". IMO if drift has its own section it will help everyone live together peacefully Anyone interested in both can of course read both sections; no big deal.

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"Delete that crap.

Crap deleted."

Get it outta here, please!!!
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I agree drifting should have its own section.
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Difters should realize that what they are doing is not new or innovative.

It's called "dirt tracking" here in the Carolinas. "'gettin sideways" or whatever. It's the slow way around any corner.

It's not racing. It deserves its own site, not forum.

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I'd think that it should have it's own section in the race tech section, like the 20B section in the rotary performance forum. Maybe change the forum name to Performance Driving or something similar. If you think drifting is stupid, don't read the posts. It's not like they clutter up this section. It's just a few posts here and there.

Competitive drift cars share much of the same suspension, chassis, engine, and safety setup as a race car. Lots of the advanced drifters also enjoy autox and track days.
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Originally posted by neevosh
Competitive drift cars share much of the same suspension, chassis, engine, and safety setup as a race car.
Yeah, they need that quick release harness so they can climb up on the window sill while they are doing doughnuts. C'mon, that's like saying drag racers and dentists should share a forum because they both use nitrous oxide. Seriously, the drifting chassis setup is for huge oversteer. They use handbrakes fer chrissakes. Not much race car tech.
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Drifting isn't about pulling the e-brake and giant rear sway bars. Different people like different setups. Proper camber and toe settings are important. So is a stiff chassis. And proper roll bar/cage and harness mounting. All of that is discussed here.
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Originally posted by tims
if we have to hold drifting to the "racing" definition then track days, time trialing, and autox are out too. All three have nothing to do with "racing", some "race" against the clock and the other is just "racing" around the track without any timing. then we are left with only drag racing and road racing? Leave the section open to RX7 competition driving the racing word gets used for alot of things that are not racing. I don't autox, drag, time trial, or drift but I don't see why there has to be another section for this type of stuff. I sometimes get a kick out of some the discussions on drifting and autox, and I would not otherwise go looking for it.
good point, i agree

in anycase, when you drive hard, you are almost always slipping just a bit to get the maximum traction out of your car, even though others cant see it.

drifting is also a lot of fun as well, i mean everyone has their own way in which i like to get around a track. different strokes for different folks i guess.

P.S. learning to drift is great way to learn what to do automatically when you step over the line between grip and slidding horibly out of control in to a poll or on comming traffic, ect! i have seen so many times where a guy could have saved himself/save his car if he only pushed a bit more gas or just did not come off the gas so fast and countered just a little bit, all which comes naturally/automatically when you learn to drift!

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Originally posted by bradrx7
Yeah, they need that quick release harness so they can climb up on the window sill while they are doing doughnuts. C'mon, that's like saying drag racers and dentists should share a forum because they both use nitrous oxide. Seriously, the drifting chassis setup is for huge oversteer. They use handbrakes fer chrissakes. Not much race car tech.
obviously you have never seen a drift car crash, check out option vid #117

in anycase, you should not hate just because you cant do something, i cant drag race and you dont see me putting those who just love flying down a 1/4 mile (woohoo, 10-13secs, now what ) Personnaly, Id rather be sliding down the entire 1/4 mile just as fast as some civics do haha
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Seriously, the drifting chassis setup is for huge oversteer. They use handbrakes fer chrissakes. Not much race car tech.
Seriously, you have no idea what you're talking about.
This is the typical ignorant response I hear from those sitting on the sidelines.

When I tune FC's for drift, the set-up is almost exactly like a normal "grip" set-up.&nbsp; Suspension components are exactly alike - you tune for as stiff as possible for best response.&nbsp; The handbrake is only pulled if you're in an underpowered vehicle or your chassis understeers like a pig in mud, otherwise it's all throttle lift - which, in case you didn't know, most race cars will also exhibit.



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Seriously, the drifting chassis setup is for huge oversteer. They use handbrakes fer chrissakes. Not much race car tech.
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Seriously, you have no idea what you're talking about.
This is the typical ignorant response I hear from those sitting on the sidelines.

When I tune FC's for drift, the set-up is almost exactly like a normal "grip" set-up. Suspension components are exactly alike - you tune for as stiff as possible for best response. The handbrake is only pulled if you're in an underpowered vehicle or your chassis understeers like a pig in mud, otherwise it's all throttle lift - which, in case you didn't know, most race cars will also exhibit.


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This is so true. Everyone Thinks Drift is uses totally different setup than Grip but it just is not true. Some people will use different alignment settings which allows for a Wilder style but overall it is not really that different than any other type of driving. I have much information about different pro drift car setups and they are much like every other race car.

We have had the discussion of why drift is not racing so many times already.........I use my car for road courses, touge, Gymkhana/autocross and drift but the setup never really changes. I voted to have a seperate section just because there are so many haters on this forum who get angry when you talk about drift.
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I think we'll see a seperate drift section soon. The remarks here are exactly why I feel all of us would be better served by moving all drift topics to their own section. Personally I don't share enthusiasm for the sport of drifting, but that doesn't mean other board members shouldn't be allowed to pursue their own brand of fun.

Thread locked for now but we are working on establishing a seperate drift section.
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