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Old 02-10-03, 04:19 PM
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Drift

Anybody know any sites where i can get info on drifting techniques or learning how to drift correctly.

it would be much help , thx in advance
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Only way your gonna learn to drift is to go out and do it! try driftsession.com to get some techniques (its on their technique page). BTW: Your probally gonna put your car in to a ditch, dirtembankment (I did this one so far, im amazed I did not sustain that much damage!), curb, firehydrant, lightpost, another car or someone so please beaware of this before you do anything. Cops and military police really dont like it as well, especially when you pull a nice long smokey drift right in front of them (seen this happen, got caught a couple times by both MP's and Cops).

Perhaps you should rent a couple of option vids to get some confidence up or learn some techniques. (Notice that even the pro's crash!)

Note: if you got a FC, E-brake should work fine for starting a drift but for a FD, unless your going down hill, in heavy rain, are kinda trail braking and turn fast at the same time, your not gonna beable to lock up the rear or use the e-brake at all to do anything but make you little brake light turn on on your instrument pannel .

before you start, get some crappy/free tires on your rear from gas stations, costco/sams club, tire shops (they actually have to pay a 3-5 dollar disposoal fee so they should be giving these away!) cuz your gonna shread them fast! You can also try in the rain but its much harder to control and you'll probally spin out. Also get some good (collision) insurance, your gonna need it.

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P.S. Drifting is pretty much a controlled crash, you will eventually crash, i dont know a single guy that has not crashed their car while learning.

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Old 02-10-03, 08:24 PM
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thats not true... Thats what parking lots are for I dont want to hurt me precious baby
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Old 02-10-03, 10:29 PM
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thx , im going to practice in an empty lot so i wont crash and i can try out diff techniques
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Old 02-11-03, 02:31 AM
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an empty parking lot will only get you so far (try doing a 60-80mph drift in a parking lot!), there are also things in parking lots that you can hit as well so they are not that safe (at least parking lots in hawaii are small and have stupid *** speedbumps ever 10 feet with cement pillars all over the place).
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Originally posted by Turbo23
thats not true... Thats what parking lots are for I dont want to hurt me precious baby
right, thats like snowboarding on the bunny slope forever. eventually you are going to take it out of the parking lot and since you are pushing control limits you will wreck. how gracefully depends on your skill, location, luck, etc
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Old 02-12-03, 09:34 AM
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i aint planning on stayin in the parkin lot forever i will venture out but i have to be care full here in fl there are canal by almost all roads and rouds arnt very curvy
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I drifted my last car one time. It was also the last I drove it to i got to admit, it was badass though. I did it on accident and didnt know what I was doing and let off the gas. I would go to a autoX event if i were you and take out some cones
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Originally posted by 93redFD
I drifted my last car one time. It was also the last I drove it to i got to admit, it was badass though. I did it on accident and didnt know what I was doing and let off the gas. I would go to a autoX event if i were you and take out some cones
bawahahahahaha, i love your sig.

get used to beating up your car a lot. and invest in a skidplate too.
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Old 02-12-03, 09:03 PM
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yeah i think ill try the auto cross and take alot of time practiceing and maybe il buy one of those ding kings lol
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Old 02-12-03, 10:50 PM
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autoX guys dont really like drifters, its slow and it waste their time cuz they always gotta go and **** cones that you knock over, its probally the safest bet there is though next to getting on to a military base or an airport tarmac.
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Old 02-12-03, 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by 93redFD
I drifted my last car one time. It was also the last I drove it to i got to admit, it was badass though. I did it on accident and didnt know what I was doing and let off the gas. I would go to a autoX event if i were you and take out some cones
you gotta keep on the gas, if you dont, the rear wheels will catch and snap you in to a drift/slide going the otehr direction. (god i hate when that happens!)
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Old 02-12-03, 11:31 PM
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Drifting sounds suicidal lol! Ever seen the movie Crash?

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Old 02-13-03, 01:21 AM
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drift = bent rims and tie rods
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drift = learning how to control your car in extreme circumstances. there is a good use for this as we have all had that "oh ****" loose feeling. i'd say gravel roads really helped me to learn how to control a loose car and that was rallying which is as close to drifting you can come by in racing.
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Old 02-13-03, 05:24 PM
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drifting saved me 3 times already, if i did not every ride with anyone or tried it myself, I would have definatnly crashed my car already! Knowing what do to automatically when your rear kicks out is always a plus!
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Old 02-13-03, 06:11 PM
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I tried drifting once, fucked up a rim, and back bumper, think I stick to drag racing. But if I every wanted to really learn to drift, I think I would start with a extremely cheap car (old 240, first gen 7) and go out to the dirt roads and have some fun till the car died.
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Old 02-14-03, 01:51 AM
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Originally posted by skunks
drifting saved me 3 times already, if i did not every ride with anyone or tried it myself, I would have definatnly crashed my car already! Knowing what do to automatically when your rear kicks out is always a plus!
Skunks is absolutely correct and I couldn't agree more, as another person who has been in similar circumstances I know exactly what you mean. If you want to learn the art of countersteering I suggest finding some nice dirt roads or if it snows where you live you should already have a fair amount practice. Knowing automatically how to react when the rear end steps out is essential……

The most important thing, work your way up, don’t get too carried away. The limits of 7s are much higher than that of most anything else. Find yourself a nice RWD vehicle, a RWD truck should be an excellent starting point......seriously that’s where I started, you'd be surprised how easily a posse-rear RWD V8 truck can get away from you if you don't have the ability to counteract “loss of traction” if you haven't owned one. A less-powerful RWD car will also work, basically anything with RWD can get you started. No joke, its all you need, you don't need a "drift car" like a 240 to learn the art of countersteering and the aspects of drifting. Go pick up or practice on damn near any RWD vehicle and go to town, learn, and progress.

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Old 02-14-03, 03:18 AM
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I have a nearly flawless FD with 39k miles...I'm not about to take any chances totalling it because not only would I probably hurt myself and total the car....I wouldn't be able to find a replacement, it took me FOREVER to find this baby!!

So......what I did is, got together with my friends proposed that we build a conjoined "dorifto" (this is how the japanese say drift, "Dodifto!"). Anyways, we agreed that an old 240sx would do the trick perfectly (the beloved S13 dorifto favorite in japan). So right now we're looking for a trashed '91 240sx with no running motor, we figure we can probably get one for like 500 bucks or less. Then, get a higher performance imported used nissan motor in there and a used turbo (Japan exports a lot of their old engines to us that fail their emisions check, they have about 30-40k miles because the Japanese drive far less than us). After that all we need is some used coilovers set up for drifting (this is really important, a drift suspension setup is much different than regular suspension setup), some used old rims with cheap *** tires, and finally a custom made roll cage by me (my dad owns a metal sales business), that is probably the MOST important mod!. All in all it should run us about 6k split 3 ways if we do all the work ourselves....that's only 2k a peice for the PERFECT DORIFTO MACHINE!!!! hahaha!
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Originally posted by Chronos
and finally a custom made roll cage by me (my dad owns a metal sales business), that is probably the MOST important mod!.
I would like to place a vote for you not making the cage yourself unless that is something you actually do that as your profession. If it's the most important mod, shouldn't you take the most care to make sure it's done right? A non-obvious failure or design flaw could render the cage nearly ineffective. Without professional experience, you wouldn't be aware of non-obvious pitfalls.

Just a suggestion.. a good cage builder knows what to put where, how to put it there, and what materials and techniques to use for the greatest safety. Tack welding some piping together doesn't really do that much for you. (not to say that you'd do that.. just citing an extreme example)

Keep the dorifto off public streets!

and I agree car control is a good skill to have, but you can learn those skills at a normal autocross too..

blah.. have fun! be safe!
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last summer I did alot of drift practice in my FD. there was a nearby neighborhood where they re-graveled the tar. this allowed form some low speed drifts. I think it improved my ability quite a bit, although I'd be afraid to take high speed drift still. just a 20 MPH drift is plenty exhilarating to me!

I've also saved my self from wrecks in a few high sped drifts I have accidentally gotten into. I think it's a great technique to be familiar with and can easily save you from big wrecks/injuries or even worse. In the winter it's can be easy to get into drifts, and I've slipped into one that my knowledge of countersteering / correcting saved me from going into the mississipi river (this was not in my FD)!

I have tons of hours playing video games using a steering wheel such as need for speed, gran turismo, and especially ferari F355 challenge to thank also. but nothing compares to real world practice.
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Hehe, thanks for the concern MechE00 . I would never perform any type of driving that put me or anyone else in an increased risk of injury...%99 of the time I drive fast, or, to the limit more accurately, it's about 3am and not another car in sight. Trust me, I'd stop right away if I saw one, after all, there's probably a good chance it's a cop :p. The dorifto would be mostly for autoX and exhibitions, but I'm sure we'd also drive it on the public streets as well using the same logic; never use it if ANYONE else is anywhere in sight, or in an area where sight is hindered such as a twisty road.

As for the roll cage...you don't think it's possible to research how to do this and put it together with the recources I have? I could make a Ti rollcage if I wanted to spend that much money, or even a Al one using a special super strong alloy. Do you think that it can't be done (seriously)? If not, I would definately consider having one put in professionally...I just don't see how it can be so complex that I couldn't understand the fundamentals of it's properties and make it myself, with research ofcourse. Actually, come to think of it, we have a few friends that are into racing, so I could probably get some info from them. Thanks for bringing it to my attention though, it's definately something to consider.

Ohh yeah, one thing I left out in the above list...1 used bucket racing seat with some serious lateral support!

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I would also suggest getting a pro to do the roll cage, it seems like you can do everything else just fine, but the roll cage will be the only thing that saves you life in a crash. (well that and your 5-6pt safty harness, racing seat (hopefully with head side protectors) and a helmet). A helmet is curcial when doing this tail out jackassery Its especially usefull when you dont push enuf gas and the rear wheels grip and whip you in to a drift going the other direction and you head goes smacking in to your glass window/B-pillar!!! (I have see this before, not good).

If you do buy a crappy 240sx for 500 bucks, how come its gonna cost you guys 6k to finish it? an engine only cost about 2-3k and if you drop it in yourself (this is a exact fit btw if you do a SR20DET, its has the exact same dimentions as a KA! should be very easy to do this swap) then it should probally end up costing you guys about 2.5-3.5k. BTW: Japan has super cheap racing seats used, if you can get a friend over there, they should beable to find you seats that run 300-600 bucks here for like 30-60 bucks over there (used of course but still in great condition!).

Also, you might wanna not have a passenger untill your really good (and by really good, you should beable to do 80+mph drifts), remember your kinda putting your own life in risk every time you do this stuff, don't take someone along with you and put them at risk (especially if that other person is a family member!!!).
Also, dont even think about going to your local mountains to do this kinda stuff unless you are very very good!

As for the SR20DET engine, personnaly I favor the stock KA that comes in the US 240sx's cuz they do have more torque and if you turbo one of them, they will put out pretty much the same amount of hp as a SR20DET. Yes they can't rev as high but who cares, your not going to be reving that high when your going sideways (if you do, your gonna spin!)

BTW: You dont really NEED coil overs, I suggest going with regular suspension untill you get good enuf (yes coilovers will defintantly help with highspeed drifts but when starting at at 10-20mph drifts, learning how to countersteer fast enuf, throttle control (especially with a turbo car) and knowing how much to countersteer (you don't have to opposite lock btw, hardly anyone does and/or needs to; on the other hand, if you can and can control the car with opposite lock+throttle steering, thats pretty damn good ) is much more important!)

Lastly, if you do start out drifting, I would highly suggest doing it at lower speeds. Stupidly the first time I got sideways, I did it at about 40-50mph and could not even come close to controling it (almost jumped a curb and hit a lightpost but luckly slid to a stop before then). Start out at 15-20mph and with a lot more space then you think you would need. Don't use 2 lane roads unless there is a lot of run out room (the equivlent of about 4-6 lanes of run out room) with no curbs, lightpost, ditchs, dirtembankments or anything like that cuz chances are, your gonna hit what ever is out there, even though its a single light post 50 yards away hehe.
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Originally posted by skunks
A helmet is curcial when doing this tail out jackassery


WTF are you talking about?! It's an art! Can you immagine what kind of excuse I'd try to give the cop when I get pulled over WITH A HELMET?! I think I'd be in a shitload of trouble unless I had a pair of REALLY good you know what's! And as for the passenger thing, notice how I said only ONE bucket seat? All 3 of us will drive the dorifto, but sure the **** not with one another!

Thanks for all the info though, I also have the SR20 in mind. You seem to be pretty damn knowledgable on the subject! I hereby name thee
SENPAI DORIFTO!!

P.S. Where do you live in Hawaii? My aunt lives in Honolulu so I I'm there sometimes. Maybe I could stop by when I'm around for a little dorifto exhibition from the master, haha!

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I was totally kidding about tail out jackassery I do know its an art and is very hard to learn how to do correctly.

If I were you, I would say **** the cops (this has to do with the helmet thingy) because my personaly health and the ability to control the car even after my head went smaking into the side of my car is far greater then any kinda ticket they could give you, just make up an excuse like your head was cold or something (they give me a lot of **** about my 5pt safty harness and call me a racer and that I must be up to no good and all the rest of the crap but in the end, they can't do jack **** cuz its not against the law, Note: I'm not even wearing them at the time, they are just set up for me to wear, laying on the sides and in the back).

In anycase, I'm near ainahina/kahala mall, right between there, (Honolulu). Let me know when you come back and I'll get some guys together and we can go up tantlus/triangles/crossroads

I did notice that you said one bucket seat but lots of my friends have the same thing and give lots of other people rides.

And haha I don't know about SENPAI DORIFTO, I know a lot but need a crap load more experience (I guess thats the one thing about using a FD to drift, being scare to wreck...) that and the freaken MP's and cops chase you around a lot haha I'm not that good at getting sideways (I'm ok but not a master at it yet) but I do know a bunch of guys that do know how to get really sideways!

Lastly, you guys are gonna insure this project 240sx right? I would be scared to death to drift a car that is not fully insured
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