drift-sport

Last summer my brother and I went to England to attend a perforrmance rally school in which they they taught us how to drift and handbrake cars. They started with handing braking fully built rally cars on tarmac with oil spread all over it. The handbrake cars were old front wheel drive pieces of junk with slicks on the rear. Then you drive an older body style WRX in which you drive around sliding on the same surface. All the cars are right hand drive so it makes everything a little bit more complicated. At the end of the day we came out feeling extremely confident about having the back end step out a little bit. Experience is the only way to learn.
Evan

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Last summer my brother and I went to England to attend a perforrmance rally school in which they they taught us how to drift and handbrake cars. They started with handing braking fully built rally cars on tarmac with oil spread all over it. The handbrake cars were old front wheel drive pieces of junk with slicks on the rear. Then you drive an older body style WRX in which you drive around sliding on the same surface. All the cars are right hand drive so it makes everything a little bit more complicated. At the end of the day we came out feeling extremely confident about having the back end step out a little bit. Experience is the only way to learn.
Evan

ROTARYFDTT

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did they teach you left foot braking and how to get the back end of a FWD car to come out with using just throttle and brake inputs not the E-brake. Or were you dealing strickly with AWD, I figured they would start you with FWD and have you work up.

My friend and I our hoping to attend a rally school in Florida hopefully this summer or next. They teach the E-brake style not left-foot because to fully utilize left-foot tactics you really need the seq. gear boxes that WRC cars.

jeremy

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not entirely true. you use it all, even with a manual synchro'd box. i used to have "foot footage" from the wrc before the sequential box and they dance. left foot braking is still used but you have to be quick back and forth. the handbrake tends to be used more for the tighter corners but is also driver preference. some seem to use it a lot and others only on the tight stuff.

another fwd rally trick that i learned to use on my camry is to set the toe out in the rear a bit. the car could actually oversteer on the gas if the front hooked up. and you had to watch thresh hold braking as it would loop on you easily. i wish i could get to that school in florida. damn money/time issues.

ROTARYFDTT

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I know that, thats the reason why I said to "fully utilize" left foot braking its with a seq. gearbox. When I drift/powerslide FWD I am usually always using my left foot for braking and right foot for throttle inputs to get the back end to come out. Thats typically in wide turns, in tighter ones a little pull on the E to get the car around is the order. Or if I want to do some axis spins I have to pull the E a little to get the car started. My friend can do true axis spins from a stop with no E though, I am still working on that, only had a few goes at it. But your right, its all driver preference, but it takes more skill to slide FWD using only brake and throttle inputs than simply yanking the E......

jeremy

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i take it your friend is doing this with a rwd and lsd?

DriveFast7

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Is drifting a sanctioned racing class? It seems more like street racing type stuff seeing that it's usually done on public roads!

Always been curious why people post drifting questions in the Race Car Tech section.....

-bp-

Chronos

Skunks, you didn't read my post right...I knew you were kidding around, I thought it was funny as hell!

And as for the helmet, I took you seriously about that...I just find the notion of being pulled over wearing a helmet histerical!!

ROTARYFDTT

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nope FWD lsd......thats the beauty of it

skunks

D1 Grandprix in japan, check out Option vid 101 and 102, they have the D1 seasons of 2001 and 2002 (2002 got more FD's drifting The apex'i one won )

SpiritR

uphill drifting fun and easy for learners, actually more of a power drift. Downhill takes some more with the P-brake and normal brakes and gas.

I would practice like someone said in a parking lot to get the feel of what your car will do, you would be surprised trust me.

jeremy

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describe an "axis spin". i'm thinking of a few different things here. most axis spins i know of are done with rwd or awd, which of course the awd looks cool as hell. sort of like the one that the peugot did in the 2001? wrc season on one of the tarmac rallies when he had a huge lead.

MechE00

I too am not keen on public road foolishness. There's someone in the NorthEast who has arranged some legitimate events at Englishtown's parking lots (if I remember correctly) for this year.. I can't find the post in a search right now though. I kinda hope that people can start organizing these legal events in more places, because it's pretty easy to tell someone who claims to be a fast street racer to take it to an autocross/drag strip. I don't have as easy an answer to someone who wants to drift.. access to performance rally schools, performance rally events, and rallycross is severely limited.

Being pulled over in a caged car with a race seat and harness is nothing new? There are many people who feel that a caged car without a helmetted head is an accident away from a head popping. (even if the cage is properly padded)

If you are deciding to skip a helmet because the police might pull you over while you're wearing one, you should rethink whether you should be doing the original thing in the first place. It seems there is more risk involved than you are willing to admit.

ROTARYFDTT

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an axis spin is a spin in which the center of the car does not move and the car rotates around a fixed center point. Best shown with AWD, those are nutty and a ton of fun to do. I know you were probably like whoa WTF is this kid talking about, but I asure you it can be done is FWD. It requires and extremely low traction surface like snow and a damn near perfectly level surface. But in some snow from a stop, my friend can get the car to do axis spins without the aid of the E-brake. Its nutty

And yes I saw the 206 that was BADASS. I follow WRC as much as possible. Which unfortunately isn't that easy because my school doesn't have SpeedChannel as one of the TV channels in the dorms.

bros0000

I'm into drifting myself personally (I have an FD after all ), but on that same note I would like to mention that there are also events put on in the Midwest (mainly Minnesota) by a local club, AARRF, which starting this year will include a drift section.

Ryan

jeremy

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cool. i'd have to see this to believe it, lol. i used to do the reverse spin with my camry. mastered it in the auto then had to relearn w/ the manual. i don't have cable here either so i have to catch it at a friends house when i can. makes me really miss my wrx. hoping subaru can get there **** in line for this season.


also good to see more people are sponsering drift events.

Chronos

Being pulled over in a caged car with a race seat and harness is nothing new? There are many people who feel that a caged car without a helmetted head is an accident away from a head popping. (even if the cage is properly padded)

If you are deciding to skip a helmet because the police might pull you over while you're wearing one, you should rethink whether you should be doing the original thing in the first place. It seems there is more risk involved than you are willing to admit. [/B][/QUOTE]

Mech000, thank you very much for posting your opinions and views to me. For one thing, you took my post too seriously (notice how I inserted ALL those smiley faces??? I did that for a reason). I was just posting for fun and not really being serious (my project is actually kinda far off so I really havn't given it much serious thought). But since you bring up a serious point (safety) I might as well start thinking seriously too. I never considered about the roll cage being such a serious hazard.

I'm all for safety, but I also want to be realistic about the fact that maybe not everyone that drives the car is would use a helmet. Considering that, I wonder if a full bucket racing seat would suffice in protecting the head in the incident of a crash...what do you think???

MechE00

Actually I don't personally have enough information/experience/knowledge to answer that question.

If you mean full bucket + cage + harness - helmet ?= safe... I do recall that when that question has been asked before to the guys I alluded to before, their response was a rather emphatic "No!" citing things such as harness belts stretching, and the dangerous lack of visibility if you are properly strapped down into a race bucket (i.e. you have enough for a controlled track situation, but not for the street). Honestly, they feel very strongly that you can't run a caged car on the street.

If you mean full bucket + harness - cage - helmet ?= safe.. the theory against that is that if the stock rollover protection fails, the crushing roof will encounter your head/spine which will be held upright by the harness and seat -> major damage to skull/spine... whereas the stock belts allow your body to be deflected down and towards the center of the car, and you are not held rigidly upright.

Some members of that cadre felt that you could get away a well designed roll bar for HPDE use (the original discussion to which I refer was not a drift discussion) without having to wear a helmet at all times, as long as you didn't try to use any back seats that might be in the picture (unlikely in this situation).

Please keep in mind, this is regurgitation of what others have said. You need to think through for yourself and make decisions as a responsible adult. I suggest that you do not rely on any information or advice I give, but rather seek out a professional in the field.

Legaleze-wise, you may be exposing yourself to a good deal of liability if you are considered responsible for allowing unhelmeted occupants to be injured in a caged car.. but I don't really have enough experience to know if that sort of viewpoint is too chicken-little-ish..

Just trying to bring up things for you to think about.

Sorry if I come across as a dick/stick-in-the-mud..

I think the best project of all for you would be to form/join a real, legal drift club in your area and secure locations/dates/event insurance, and set up a season this year or next! You'll have to do work researching what safety requirements you'll have/need, and when you're done, you'll be your own expert on what you need to be as safe as you want to be.

jeremy

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you could always look into one of the seats that wrap around in the head area to control movement. however get used to leaning out the window to check blindspots.

slidingsky

Time to set this straight. Despite what you all think a slow drift is very freakin hard. You need tons of torque. Second you dont need anykind of rolecage. You need a decient alignment and to get rid of the rear steer. crap tires help. Dont put good tires up front. You will still trash them from spin outs. Drifting at 60 mph is not fast. I enter the U turn at driftsession at the top of 2nd, @ 7500 rpm. If I enter in 3rd I dont have enough torque to keep it going though the turn. My friends said I looked really slow. I was entering at 60!
Hey skunks why do I see you at driftsession?

skunks

hehe not good enuf for drift session, i just found a nice little spot to practice in at makaha

jeremy

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who said a slow drift isn't hard? and have you ever flipped a car? my comment is that if you are not in a parking lot and have a harness, your *** had better have a rollbar. you flip and the roof comes in, you're dead. i've seen some 70 mph rolls and the roofs on these cars will fold. pretty much any racer will say the same thing. one of the big japanese drift sites i was on early today said that. parking lots no, roads yes.

slidingsky

okey dokey. its your car. I dont plan on waiting to install a roll cage before I go out and learn more. Drifting is a ghetto sport. All real amatuer drift cars are fcked up. Most dont have a roll cage. If this were roadracing I would not think twice about having a cage. But like scca drifting is a amatuer sport, except for D1. Which no private owned car wins anymore.
sky

Chronos

Thanks for your info Mech00, I'll take it into consideration .

Jeremy, what is the URL of that site?

jeremy

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sorry, can't remember what url you are talking about. what was it for?