Audi R8 loses it in the climbing esses @ VIR *vid*
06-03-08, 04:38 PM
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Audi R8 loses it in the climbing esses @ VIR *vid*
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gQLM-K9TwWM
Looks like he lifted at the crest and became a passenger. Expensive mistake.
On a side note, who is doing Grand East in two weeks with Mazda drivers? The wife and I will both be there.
Looks like he lifted at the crest and became a passenger. Expensive mistake.
On a side note, who is doing Grand East in two weeks with Mazda drivers? The wife and I will both be there.
06-03-08, 08:45 PM
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=gQLM-K9TwWM
Looks like he lifted at the crest and became a passenger. Expensive mistake.
On a side note, who is doing Grand East in two weeks with Mazda drivers? The wife and I will both be there.
Looks like he lifted at the crest and became a passenger. Expensive mistake.
On a side note, who is doing Grand East in two weeks with Mazda drivers? The wife and I will both be there.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ixBsfuShUyQ
The damage isn't that bad. The co-driver posted in the YouTube thread and said he didn't lift. Just looks like way too much speed with an improper line.
06-04-08, 08:24 AM
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Bad line.
This was posted on a local list. I dunno, I would think the driver would have HAD to lift, or at least wasn't able to use enough throttle to keep the rear planted... just too much speed would have sent him off to the left, this was very likely trailing throttle oversteer. Ironically, what he SHOULD have probably done is driven straight off to the left... he likely would've just been digging grass hunks out of the underside.
This was posted on a local list. I dunno, I would think the driver would have HAD to lift, or at least wasn't able to use enough throttle to keep the rear planted... just too much speed would have sent him off to the left, this was very likely trailing throttle oversteer. Ironically, what he SHOULD have probably done is driven straight off to the left... he likely would've just been digging grass hunks out of the underside.
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06-04-08, 12:18 PM
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Bad line.
This was posted on a local list. I dunno, I would think the driver would have HAD to lift, or at least wasn't able to use enough throttle to keep the rear planted... just too much speed would have sent him off to the left, this was very likely trailing throttle oversteer. Ironically, what he SHOULD have probably done is driven straight off to the left... he likely would've just been digging grass hunks out of the underside.
This was posted on a local list. I dunno, I would think the driver would have HAD to lift, or at least wasn't able to use enough throttle to keep the rear planted... just too much speed would have sent him off to the left, this was very likely trailing throttle oversteer. Ironically, what he SHOULD have probably done is driven straight off to the left... he likely would've just been digging grass hunks out of the underside.
The more track days I do, the more I hear that. Only problem is for the driver to understand when he should just drive off vs try to catch it. I'm not sure I know when that point is...
06-04-08, 12:34 PM
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IMO, that's one of the hardest things to learn.. i.e. the limits of your car and your ability. The driver in this video didn't seem to know the limits of his car on this track (and/or know the track very well). $50 says he was looking at the Viper rather than the track which is what I see a lot of new drivers do.
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06-04-08, 03:08 PM
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You can see how much speed he's carrying into that corner compared to the viper by all the distance he's making up heading into that corner. The viper driver was braking or letting off at the little kink just before the right hander, but the R8 kept speed through..
06-04-08, 04:45 PM
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Basically you can't take a 90 degree turn at 100 plus miles per hour but I'm very impressed that the r8 tried to let him do it hehe that thing must be very fun to drive 
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Damn I wish I could afford one of those babies actually though I've switched my dream car from the gt3 to the gt2 which has better #s then the frikken ENZO
OUTSTANDING TURN IT! Damn I wish I could afford one of those babies actually though I've switched my dream car from the gt3 to the gt2 which has better #s then the frikken ENZO
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Basically you can't take a 90 degree turn at 100 plus miles per hour but I'm very impressed that the r8 tried to let him do it hehe that thing must be very fun to drive OUTSTANDING TURN IT!
Damn I wish I could afford one of those babies actually though I've switched my dream car from the gt3 to the gt2 which has better #s then the frikken ENZO
OUTSTANDING TURN IT! Damn I wish I could afford one of those babies actually though I've switched my dream car from the gt3 to the gt2 which has better #s then the frikken ENZO
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We need to think BIG!!!!!!! That way I might actually be able to race a spec miata one day 
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I think part of the problem is the grief that you get from some event organizers when you go 4-off. Even after getting my provisional license, I was told that going 4-off was a display that I wasn't in control of my car and I may not get credit for the race toward my full comp license. Personally, I think people should be encouraged to drive in the dirt early on so they learn that it's not a big deal. If you spend some time out there and aren't afraid to use it when you need to, it's easier to make good decisions and avoid becoming a passenger in you own car.. just my 2 cents.
06-05-08, 06:37 AM
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+1 on bad line. On the long version you can see he doesn't have a clue where the line is. It also looks like he clipped the curbing, which caused him to rotate off the track. In my 2nd gen EP I found I couldn't use the curbs through the esses as the cur would get very loose if I touched the curbs.
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I think part of the problem is the grief that you get from some event organizers when you go 4-off. Even after getting my provisional license, I was told that going 4-off was a display that I wasn't in control of my car and I may not get credit for the race toward my full comp license. Personally, I think people should be encouraged to drive in the dirt early on so they learn that it's not a big deal. If you spend some time out there and aren't afraid to use it when you need to, it's easier to make good decisions and avoid becoming a passenger in you own car.. just my 2 cents.
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+1 on bad line. On the long version you can see he doesn't have a clue where the line is. It also looks like he clipped the curbing, which caused him to rotate off the track. In my 2nd gen EP I found I couldn't use the curbs through the esses as the cur would get very loose if I touched the curbs.
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Not enough steering input in the first left hander caught up with him in a hurry. At that speed there is no "down" time with the wheel.
Look forward to another Mazdadrivers event. The RX8, RX7and Miata's are very suited to the Grand configuration. If you have not done it yet I highly recommend it.
Look forward to another Mazdadrivers event. The RX8, RX7and Miata's are very suited to the Grand configuration. If you have not done it yet I highly recommend it.
06-06-08, 11:45 PM
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+1 on bad line. On the long version you can see he doesn't have a clue where the line is. It also looks like he clipped the curbing, which caused him to rotate off the track. In my 2nd gen EP I found I couldn't use the curbs through the esses as the cur would get very loose if I touched the curbs.
Here's an example of a good line: http://youtube.com/watch?v=DOgL25_QrbQ
It's James Clay in a BimmerWorld BMW.
Maybe not an RX-7, but a pretty fast ride.
The bad line of the R8 becomes more obvious when you see a good one.
06-08-08, 11:48 AM
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Not much more I can say - like everyone else has pointed out he turned in way early for that first right hander (is that considered 7 or 7a?). He also put just a little more steering input right before he reached that little crest in the hill at the apex. The car can get a little light there, and I suspect that additional steering input is what threw the rear end around.
But then again, I could be wrong. It's easy to armchair quarterback someone else's mishap. It's good to see that driver and passenger walked away unscratched.
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But then again, I could be wrong. It's easy to armchair quarterback someone else's mishap. It's good to see that driver and passenger walked away unscratched.
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