dean7

To keep the story short and sweet, unless contested. I bought a 85 se 4 hours away from my home. I talked to josh over the phone and asked if there were any big problems with the car and what was done to it.. Was told the tranny was going bad. Drove down there and picked it up, asked hime again if anything was going on with the car, and he freely told me that the compression on the engine was good. I was happy and bought the car...

Well 7 days later the engine siezed on me... Looking back at joshes posts, I come acrossed a video of the compression and it is bad, also find out that he put atf in the engine (to revive it? not sure, hes lied to me already, hard to believe)... He told me that the car was sitting at a shop and it was flooded and he "de flooded it" and it started right up... sort of forgot to mention the atf treatment...

Now when someone tells me that an engine has good compression, well I guess next time, I wont be able to believe them and take a couple minutes to test it, never thought a rotor head would lie to me. Anywho, blowing off steam, cause I believe I was screwed. I think I deserve some money back, the 400 dollars for the engine I am buying and putting in myself. He is insisting that he didn't lie and is playing dumb about stuff... whatever, most rotorheads are decent people..

dean7

heres the compression test that he did

http://media.putfile.com/RX7-Compression-Test

dean7

Heres our messages, his are in bold..
hey
Hey, hows it going? Me, not to good, engine siezed on me last Sunday while idling. I read some of your previous posts, and saw that you did the ATF on the car. Was there anything else you did/found out about the engine besides one of the rotors that had bad compression (the one stuck likely). Honestly, I'm a little steamed that you told me that the engine had good compression, then I see a video of it showing otherwise.

Anywho, it took a week for me to calm down about the whole thing... My biggest problem is that I could of bought an almost mint condition gsl-se minus the motor, HERE in Omaha for 500 bucks... Id appreciate a message back, maybee clearing up some of your earlier posts about what was really wrong with the engine. My last 2 rx-7s I bought, I did a compression test b4 I bought them, due to the fact that the owners had no idea. When you looked me straight in the eyes and said that the compression was good, I believed you.. I tend to do that with rx-7 guys.

Anywho, I found an engine for 400 bucks, Id appreciate an explanation/reason why you told me that the engine was of good compression, and "just flooded" or compensation for the new engine that is going to have to be put in..... And now seeing that one rotor had crappy compression and that you did the ATF treatment (which shouldn't be done on a non siezed engine.. or really ever) Im hoping that theres a big misunderstanging, but in reality I think I just got screwed over by a fellow forum member.. hope not.


Re: hey
wow dude...I'm really sorry that that happened. Let me tell you that I didn't screw you on it, I honestly had no idea. I'm a good Christian man so please believe me when I say I'm telling the truth. I was honestly very, very sad to let it go and if I wasn't so broke at the time I wouldn't have. I had no idea anything was wrong. I'm fairly new to RX7s, I've read a lot but only had that one (my first) a few months. It didnt start on run when i first got it so a buddy (who has an FC with an engine he rebuilt, fairly knowledgeable) told me that the best thing to do would be to put some ATF in it to dry up the gas and free any sticking seals. I put a small amount in and it started. It didn't idle at first so I thought that it might have a bad seal so I put those videos up. The problem was that it had a bad vacuum leak though. One guy said that it showed low compression from the video but most said it looked fine and so did a few friends of mine. After I fixed the leak it started up and ran great, I never had any problems with it. Really in those threads I was assuming the worst and thats why my tone was that way. I really honest to God didn't know that there was anything wrong with it and I'm sorry that I put you in that situation.
Josh


Re: hey
Well you did. That makes me feel a lil better, not much though. That video shows straight up that the compression was off. So when I asked you, multiple times, if there was anything major that I should know about... telling me the compression was good was pretty much a lie (leaving info out, if you were confused about it) Also ATF'ing an engine is a MAJOR issue also, even if the engine was brand new and ATF'd. Im not sure if you were scared I wasn't gonna buy the car, or if you were scared cause you were being a bit dishonest.. But I did notice when dealing with you that you were very shakey and nervous.

Anywho, after driving over 8 hours of my way to get an car (that I gave you an extra 100 just CAUSE im a rotary friendly guy) that I could of got for half the price and in better condition... I would appreciate some compensation for the whole hassel, and knowing your a good christian like myself... Im hoping that this may become a reality. Over my 8 years working on rx-7s I have sold a transmittion out of a parts car, It broke 2 months later, gave the guy full refund + his shipping. Had a guy sell me eibach springs/ tokiko illumina shocks, the shocks were bad, sent him a message. He said that he didn't know much about them, that he was sorry and sent me the amount for the 3 shocks that were bad. I am not asking/expecting for you to give me a full refund, but I would really appreciate something here.

Bottom line, I asked multiple times about the engine and anything major. You told me what you did to the car and that it was flooded, never offered up why, or about the ATF.

Now im pulling my engine right now, spending the money on an engine that I was going to use to buy the other gsl-se. I will accept your apology for putting me in a rough place. But I do not understand why you left out such important information, and cant really buy an explanation to it. You did screw me... but whats good about mistakes is that you can fix them.

Dean


well, I didn't screw you, I honest to God had no idea that anything was wrong with the car, I was not nervous or shaky when I sold you the car and I was very sad to see it go. Like I said the video was taken just a short time after the car was first started and quite a few people told me that the compression was fine. ATF does not hurt an engine, it is hard on the cats and if a lot is used and left in for a long time in can be hard on the rubber oil control rings. You didnt really ask that many questions and I told you what I thought was important. Believe what you want to believe I guess...it really makes me angry that you you still think that I am lying to you which I am not. Again I will say that I am sorry but I am not going to give you any money back.




Well I am going to leave it at that, he said that he has no plans to reimburse me.. He said he bought the car, it was flooded, when he said that I mentioned that you could pull the plugs and yada yada, and he said thats what he did. Reading his posts it seems that the atf fouled his plugs and flooded his engine . It would be a nice thing to do, figuring he got the car for like 300 a couple months ago also lol. But otherwise, its time to continue on with my project and trust in karma that josh gets his, hopefully with a different car than his new tII though.

Im sortof in the right here right? Im not gonna keep bugging him, im done accepted that hes not gonna hook me up with a little money, why would someone who leaves out info/lies to you. ehhh ive been screwed before, just never by a rx-7 guy.

josh...just josh

I actually bought it for $400, when I went to get the title he wanted more money. I just went off of what I was offered by others when selling it. The video was taken right after the motor was started after it had set for like a year. I'm fairly new to RX7's and all my friends that knew rx7's that looked at said that it would build back up and wasnt that bad because it hadn't ran. The car started every time, made good power, didn't smoke too much. It showed no signs of having anything wrong. A car that can start cold at 35 degrees is a car with good compression. I had to sell the car to pay off a student loan thing and was very pissed to have to sell it. I really was, I didn't want to sell it. I feel really bad for this guy but I honestly had no idea. I'm wondering if he was using premix in it.. It really pisses me off that he wont even give the benefit of the doubt that I thought the car was fine. I'm a broke *** college kid (he seems to think that I drive a wrx and dont have have a job... crappy impreza and a $7 an hour job BTW) with a blown TII that I bought on a loan.. I am not a bad guy at all, I really honestly had no idea.

josh...just josh

hows does ATF flood an engine BTW? there isn't wrong with ATF. It's a thin oil, with lots of detergents in it. It only really hurts the cats. Everyone I know uses it and I use like a table spoon per rotor and spun the engine to get most of it out

josh...just josh

you can think whatever you want to think but one thing that I am not is a liar

dean7

LOL, I forgot, I also asked him if it smoked on startup. His answer, NO. I met him in a town/city by his parents, and he was right behined me when we pulled into the wallmart. I would of like to see the car start cold, but he assured me that his parents lived some distance out of town (country i think) So again I took his word.

Oh and josh, when I said like 300 bucks.. that meant around sorry buddy that I "lied"

You said good compression, I see like under 60psi on a rotor on that test, others look decent, prolly the one stuck LOL

You said that the engine was flooded and all you did was "de flood" it to start, never mentioned the ATF and pulling it 45 mph to try to start it

You said the engine didn't smoke on start up.


Now what kind of twist (like a politict) are you gonna come up with next.
Hopefully you get a concience someday and learn not to be so shady when doing buisness...

dean7

When you did the ATF you were using foul plugs. ( I read your post/topic) By using the foul plugs, theres a good chance you flooded the engine. Thats why you had like 12-16 spark plugs extra for me.. I was wondering why they were all nasty ..

So thats how you COULD of flooded your engine... You lied/left out information... That I asked you about. The funny thing is, I hooked you up with an extra 100 bucks just cause im rotor friendly. I know its an old car and they break down, but your story about the engine is way different that the truth.. You got caught in numerous lies, by myself that are night and day! (I love internet searches!!, I guess its my bad I didn't look for your bad compression video before I bought the car ... Ill learn my lesson, but you Karma will find its way, it always does.. And that sort of puts me at a little ease

dean7

you lied about how you got the engine started
You lied about its compression
You lied when I asked if it smoked on car startup


So how does this whole not being a liar thing possible. OJ can say he didn't kill 2 people, guess what, he still did. HOW DID YOU NOT LIE.. no crud about school, loans, dumb card, explain your lies.... exactly cant.. The ONLY way you can get around them is by making new lies.

dean7

OOOHHH and the Premix thing... YES YES YES.. I am not a noob when it comes to rotaries.... I know all about the OMP and its injection of the cars normal oil, I have seen the light and been using 2 cycle since I got my first gsl-se, back in 1999-2000. I did an oil change using castrol gtx and took off that puny wix or what ever crud filter you had on it lol. I take good care of rotaries and I know not to put atf in a car that is not siezed, let alone a siezed one, unless you dont know how to rebuild, are lazy, or busy to rebuild an engine.

I ran premix the entire time I had the car in my possesion, how bought before accusing me of something, ask me first... I at least gave you enough chances via PM's.. the difference, you lied and I have solid evidence, and other rotorhead witnesses to the smoke on start up.. and this wasnt just a lil smoke, it was rank... thats the oil seeping throught the bad rotor into the chamber i believe lol.

dean7

Can't explain those 3 lies, exactly, Ive proven my point. I think were done here, bottomline, dont screw people (especially rotorheads) over. If you would of told me the truth, I would of still paid 600-700 bucks for the car, just cause I would of thought it would last me a couple months until I aquired money for the new setup. Whatever, im stuck in this position, and got to make the best out of it, luckily I have alot of good rotorhead friends in my area so its going to be alot easier getting parts/room for car/ loaner money... Thats what you get when you treat people right and sell them what you told them it was.

Anywho, no need to bring this drama out on the car discussion on the board, agreed?

dean7

LOL at least your smart enought to stop trying to defend your lying butt... I got the engine last week... 500 bucks,, don't worry this guy isn't a lying rat, and the engine is as he described.... oh well pieces of **** can own all types of cars... never met a rotary piece till I met the God fearing pos... lol oh well

dean7

No you ARE a liar, IM NOT LYING... YOU Said alot of stuff that came out to be inncorecct.. I never accused you till now, but I think that you waited on the main road into town and when you saw me in my car, you pulled behined me so you wouln't have to start the car cold, and allow me to see all the smoke that came out of it.. You said it didn't smoke IT DID.. You said it had good compression, then you have a video on the internet PROVING you were lying...

But your not a liar? F off buddy your a piece.

dean7

LOL I thought I posted it before, but nice job taking down the compression test... In another thread of yours you mentioned/were informed about how a test should come out.. Are you legaly blind? Anywho, thought Id update this tread, saying that the car is pretty much done now, and Id like to thank Josh for blatently lying. If he would of told me the truth I may have never made this car so nice.

Oh and on a funny and totally exagerated note, Ron Paul would of gotten the most delegates, but that bad karma of yours ruined his campain. Nice guy though, would like a Obama/Huckabee/Paul tickett.