SPOautos

I dont have access to my manual and from some reason when I down load it I can seem to open it.

Anyway, can someone tell me how to read the setting thats next to sequential? I think one says off and the other is on but I'm not sure which one is off or on. I dont know how someone can explain it to me since its in Japanees but maybe a verbal description would work.

One looks kinda like a cross with a crooked smile face next to it.....which one is that???

Does this make any sence at all to anyone?????

Thanks for the help,
STEPHEN

adax

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The crooked smile is disable

The short vertical line and a J looking thing is enable.

Alan

SPOautos

Everysince I put in my new motor and tuned Power FC from XS my turbo system hasnt worked right!!!!!! I think XS might have disabled it, I dont know why they would unless it was an accident. I never told them I was non seq.

I'm showing the crooked smile one for my seq system. This would make sence cause I've probably spend 15 hours checking everything, I've removed my manifold about 4-5 times. If this isnt my problem I'm going non seq.

I dont have my manual, its at my parents house

Are you positive that to maintain the stock sequential system I need to be using the short vertical line and a J

Thanks,
STEPHEN

SPOautos

Oh ****!!!!!! I just called my mom and had her get my manual, I told here where to look it up at and your right!!!!!

XS disabled my seq system!!!!! Damn, I've spend hours and hours and hours trying to figure out what was wrong!!!!!!!! When I think back on all the headache and time I've spend it kills me to think all I had to do was push a button.

I guess I'll put the manifold back on tonight and see if it works now

And to think I was going to switch over to non seq this weekend

Thanks for you reply Adam, it was a HUGE help

Later,
STEPHEN

adax

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It's Alan (or Adax). They did the same thing to mine when I sent it to them (but I discovered it a little earlier ;-)). And I DID tell them I was sequential.

Alan

SPOautos

What the hell would they do that for, it can't be an accident if they did it to both of us??? I just pulled out my letter I sent with the computer and it plainly states I'm running the stock sequential turbos.

What the hell is wrong with them!!!!!!

I took for granted that it was some vacume hose messed up or something cause I installed the XS tuned computer at the same time as installing my new motor. I just took for granted that it was me ******* up the installation of the turbo system. The Power FC being programed wrong never even crossed my mind till I saw a post where someone is asking what they needed to do in the PFC when going non seq.

I bet they are using a map that was tuned on a non seq car and not realizing it. It makes me want to ask for my money back, the headache that thier poor tuning caused is worth way more than the $150, a refund is the least they should do.........like it would ever happen

Makes me wonder what else they missed.....so far I've got the wrong turbo set up and a bunch of negative split (which I've corrected)

Later,
STEPHEN

adax

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Philosophical ramblings follow, not directed specifically at you Steven.

About three years ago, I came to the realization that I cannot completely trust anyone to do anything on my RX-7. No one, no matter how experienced, or how committed will do as good and as complete a job as I will for the simple reason that it isn't their car. I have delt with most all RX-7 vendors (except KD) and have not found an exception. They are all good, but invariably some aspect of their service has disappointed me. I still have work done on my car which I do not have the equipment or expertise to do (less and less), but I am prepared to be disappointed to some degree with the results.

You may say "screw that, I'm paying them my hard earned money and by god they'll do it to my satisfaction" but it still won't happen. At the least, you will still be mad that you had to force them to complete the job to your satisfaction, not to mention your loss of time, at worst, you'll alienate a potential resource, not get the problem rectified, and incur more expense than the inital project was worth. I am not suggesting you bend over like a Thi hooker everytime you're disappointed in someone's service, but you should establish your own threshold of acceptable dissatisfaction. For me, the XS issue was below that level.

Perhaps I'm a pessimist, or worse, too much of a passivist, but to expect that someone will treat your car with as much care as you do is not being a realist. I am more at peace with the world now and generally a happier person.

Truer words have never been spoken, "If you want something done right, do it yourself"

Alan

50tooslow

I wondered if I was the only one who felt like I was getting screwed to some degree any time I delt with any company. I have resorted to doing everything I possibly can by myself. I have only had one company which hasn't screwd something up ,YET! But on the other hand I have taken it in the *** from two other reputable big name companies in the rotary community. I'm not a mudslinger so no names, but these companies will only get a minimal amount of my business if any. Well I will get off of my soap box and quit griping and moaning like a mean old woman and just be happy to own a great car like I do.

Nick

machinehead

I agree... I will third all of those sentiments.

SPOautos

Well normally some thing like this wouldnt bother me that bad, especially had I known and fixed it right away like you were able to do, however when I pull my manifold 4-5 times and go thru hours of back pain its a different story.

I've done everything to my car myself for the same reason.....I dont think anyone else will do it right, but this was a simple careless misstake that cost me hours of work.

Its just that it makes me wonder if they can miss somthing like that what else are they missing???

STEPHEN

cewrx7r1

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I understand your grief BUT; after receiving my PFC;
(1) I read the manual inside and out.
(2) Installed the unit.
(3) Started the engine.
(4)Went through all commander menus and checked them out and compared/recorded all settings if not the same as in the manual.
(5)Tried making changes.

That is how I discovered that my first commander was bad and would not allow me to make any changes.

I do this type of testing for anyting I buy.

You need to alter your philosophy of how you work on your car and how you analyze problems. Hopefully you have leartned somthing by this experience.

SPOautos

Chuck I did that as well, however probably didnt get as much out of reading the manual as you did since I didnt understand some of it. Having a programmable computer was new to me.

Not that any of that matters because I originally installed my PFC over a year ago and I've sent my computer to XS prior to this with no problems.

Under normal cercumstances where my car is running fine and I plug in a computer that starts messing with things I would automatically look at the computer first. Obviously its easy to diagnose a problem where the commander isnt alowing you to making changes!!!!!!

HOWEVER, since I had just installed my new motor which includes reinstalling the entire seq system, I think its fair to say that the PFC wouldnt be my first suspect. Especially since i had simplified the rats nest by removing over half of it.

Really to me the fact that I spent along time chasing down thier error is besides the fact. If I'm paying $150 for a map that is supposed to be based on a car set up like mine it should have the same setup as my car, like they said it would. Not only did they program my map with a map from a non seq car they had around 20 cells of negative split. These 2 combined have shaddered my trust in the map. If they can make misstakes like that what else is wrong behind the scenes that i dont know about???? That is what makes me feel like THIS map is not worth the $150

If you can't understand that then I've got some stuff to sell ya

Later,
STEPHEN

mmaragos

The one place in the country that can "tune" all the features of the PFC and they make this many mistakes.

Well, at least now I know that I will never send mine there. I think that you are entitled to a full refund. What is their explaination of the neg. split?

ech

cewrx71 - do you know that your first PFC was bad, or was it locked? If it was locked then you would see 1.00 for all the cells in the fuel and timing pages.

I like the sound of what the datalog-it team is doing - that they are including a document that describes each tunable element and real world examples of what it does, and what to expect from changing it. If they follow through with this - then that alone will make it a product worth buying (I'm saving up now).

cewrx7r1

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I could read all menues and maps, just could not update anything.
The maps had real values in them. Sent it back to Ray. When it came back it was the same PFC but with a new commander.