Saw this at a local car show.....
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You are posting on an Rx-7 forum, where 90% of people bought the car because it was unique and had a rotary in it. We dont buy a Mazda because we want a mitsubishi engine, there are plenty of various DSM layouts to play with. We didnt buy an Rx-7 because we expected it to be cheap, unless we have a 1st gen 
(*** holes!)
The 13b in the FD's is a badass motor, and guess what? when you buy the car, you get the engine for free, so why swap it out? I can understand the V-8 swaps, but the 4-banger swaps just dont do it for me. And on top of the fact I dont like any product Mitsubishi has ever offered, I have no reason to want any engine they make, no matter how badass it was or is. Every automotive company has at least one ultra badass engine, but whats the point of taking it out of one car, and swapping it in to another car that weighs near the same? And the said car already came with a badass engine? Reliability? You make me laugh, if I wanted that I would have an LS1 or an LS2 not a 4G63, thats like saying I want a honda engine.
If you swapped an LS7 in, I would be impressed, if you swapped a Viper V10 in somehow, I would be impressed, if you put a 2JZ in it I could understand... A 20B even, but a 4G63? They are a dime a dozen, and FD's are not. Its like buying a Corvette and swapping in a 4G63, Why do it??
Props on alot of hard work, but I think people on a DSM forum will appreciate it more. Sorry if you think I am bashing you, but thats just honestly how most people here will look at it.
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And yes the rotary IS the greatest thing since sliced bread, I dont see sliced bread powering cars.
(*** holes!) The 13b in the FD's is a badass motor, and guess what? when you buy the car, you get the engine for free, so why swap it out? I can understand the V-8 swaps, but the 4-banger swaps just dont do it for me. And on top of the fact I dont like any product Mitsubishi has ever offered, I have no reason to want any engine they make, no matter how badass it was or is. Every automotive company has at least one ultra badass engine, but whats the point of taking it out of one car, and swapping it in to another car that weighs near the same? And the said car already came with a badass engine? Reliability? You make me laugh, if I wanted that I would have an LS1 or an LS2 not a 4G63, thats like saying I want a honda engine.
If you swapped an LS7 in, I would be impressed, if you swapped a Viper V10 in somehow, I would be impressed, if you put a 2JZ in it I could understand... A 20B even, but a 4G63? They are a dime a dozen, and FD's are not. Its like buying a Corvette and swapping in a 4G63, Why do it??
Props on alot of hard work, but I think people on a DSM forum will appreciate it more. Sorry if you think I am bashing you, but thats just honestly how most people here will look at it.
EDIT ::
And yes the rotary IS the greatest thing since sliced bread, I dont see sliced bread powering cars.
From an earlier thread I started:
THE ROTARY IS JUST A ******* ENGINE. It does not make or break the car. In fact, **** the rotary. **** it with all you've got, and all your friends pushing. Yes, it's a neat idea. Yes, it's cool. But, is an RX-7 without a rotary not an RX-7? No.
Let's have a little "History of Hot Rodding", m'kay, bitches?
The automobile was created about 100 years ago. And, as soon as it was, somebody, probably wearing a wife beater, said to himself, "Hmm, how can I make it faster???" Next thing you know, we've got day-glo orange paint, horrible stickers, and 2 Paul Walker abortions to suffer through.
OK, so we skipped a couple ******' chapters.
My Dad's first car was a '57 Chevy. I never saw it. Never saw a picture of it. But, I can tell you this: It had a 327 block with a 283 crank, for a displacement of 301 cubic inches, 2 four barrels, could beat every car in his town off the line except for some ******** 65 Stingray, and my Dad wrecked it after a guy he beat in a race rear-ended him and totalled it. Now, that's why I'm into cars. My brother's first car was a 1972 Dodge Challenger with a 318, a four barrel, and a 3 speed manual, which, to this day, is still one of the coolest cars I'ver ever seen, even with a crumpled fender. My first car? A 1983 Mazda RX-7. Why? Because Victor, who worked for my Dad, had an 82 with a 13B, a Dellorto side-draft, basically every part you could order from Racing Beat, and nitrous. It was awesome. It was a hot rod. I don't give a flying **** if it was built in Japan, it was a hot rod.
Now, some people start this stupid **** that "OMG, WTF, it's not an RX-7 without the rotary!!! Oh noes!!!"
What a crock of ****. The guy down the street from me with the Nova SS... Is his car any less of a Nova SS because he decided to get a 540 cubic inch Keith Block supercharged monster which shakes the ******* earth any time he starts it?
No. Of course not. It's a motherfucking hot rod, *******! That's what makes it what it is. If it had a 4 rotor in it, it'd be just as cool.
Hot rodding, modding cars, whatever you want to call it, isn't about the parts you put into the cars, it's about doing what you like, and, for most people, what you can afford. It's about being creative, finding new ways to do things, use things, and (dear god), expressing yourself. There's a lot of **** I have no use for (hello, drifters!!!), but I still admire the creativity, the craftsmanship. Doesn't mean I have to do it to MY car, but hey, maybe it will inspire me to try something, or to think of a new, innovative solution to something that's been bothering me or stopping me from getting MY car to where I want it.
To be honest with you guys, I like the rotary. It's different, it has it's positives, it's negatives, just like anything else. But, I like piston engines, too. There are people who are "Ford", people who are "Chevy", and they **** all over each other. I like them all. I like to build Frankenstein's monsters out of my car, using what I can, where I can, to make my car what I like of it.
The idea that without a rotary, an RX-7 isn't an RX-7, or "loses it's soul" or whatever trite bullshit some people want to say, is offensive to me. It shows a narrow mindedness that really just makes me sick.
There was a magazine I remember, it was probably Hot Rod or PHR or something, and there was a guy who wrote in about his (pretty sure it was a '67) Stingray convertible, which was one of the absolute most desirable 'vettes made. The guy had cancer, big time. Doctors told him he was gonna die. He managed to make it through, and, in his words, he decided "it was time to get crazy with the car."
Front wheels? 13 inches wide, with 335 tires. Rear wheels? Monster slicks, tubbed rear end. Insane bodywork. I saw this thing many years (15+) ago, and it's still burned in my memory. I remember thinking, "Wow, who would do that to that year 'Vette?" Then, I thought, "Man, that guy almost died. Let him do whatever the **** he wants, it's his car."
In the end, there's a lot to be said for that guy. Would anyone else do that to a 'Vette? Probably not. Would anybody else do to their 7s what I plan to do to mine? Maybe, maybe not. But, what I'm going to do, what I'm planning, is what makes her mine, and in the end, making her mine means more than leaving a ******* Wankel under the hood.
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Interesting ideas...
I must say, I love the rotary and my rx-7, and I love my mustang. I love things with engines in them. Doesn't matter to me, as long as it has a personality to it, its cool!
Case in point... my friend and I had an '89 Ford probe. auto, 210,000mi, shitty as hell. but we did so much fun **** in that car. I love driving on mountain roads, blasting Judas Priest out of the blown speakers, raisin hell! We painted the wheels with white backs and red spirals because we didn't care what people thought. It was funny, and we were the only ones with 'em.
So, I think it all boils down to personality, really.
I ****** love the rotary though. raise hell!!
I must say, I love the rotary and my rx-7, and I love my mustang. I love things with engines in them. Doesn't matter to me, as long as it has a personality to it, its cool!
Case in point... my friend and I had an '89 Ford probe. auto, 210,000mi, shitty as hell. but we did so much fun **** in that car. I love driving on mountain roads, blasting Judas Priest out of the blown speakers, raisin hell! We painted the wheels with white backs and red spirals because we didn't care what people thought. It was funny, and we were the only ones with 'em.
So, I think it all boils down to personality, really.
I ****** love the rotary though. raise hell!!
08-28-07, 10:38 PM
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You are posting on an Rx-7 forum, where 90% of people bought the car because it was unique and had a rotary in it. We dont buy a Mazda because we want a mitsubishi engine, there are plenty of various DSM layouts to play with. We didnt buy an Rx-7 because we expected it to be cheap, unless we have a 1st gen (*** holes!)
The 13b in the FD's is a badass motor, and guess what? when you buy the car, you get the engine for free, so why swap it out? I can understand the V-8 swaps, but the 4-banger swaps just dont do it for me. And on top of the fact I dont like any product Mitsubishi has ever offered, I have no reason to want any engine they make, no matter how badass it was or is. Every automotive company has at least one ultra badass engine, but whats the point of taking it out of one car, and swapping it in to another car that weighs near the same? And the said car already came with a badass engine? Reliability? You make me laugh, if I wanted that I would have an LS1 or an LS2 not a 4G63, thats like saying I want a honda engine.
If you swapped an LS7 in, I would be impressed, if you swapped a Viper V10 in somehow, I would be impressed, if you put a 2JZ in it I could understand... A 20B even, but a 4G63? They are a dime a dozen, and FD's are not. Its like buying a Corvette and swapping in a 4G63, Why do it??
Props on alot of hard work, but I think people on a DSM forum will appreciate it more. Sorry if you think I am bashing you, but thats just honestly how most people here will look at it.
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And yes the rotary IS the greatest thing since sliced bread, I dont see sliced bread powering cars.
(*** holes!) The 13b in the FD's is a badass motor, and guess what? when you buy the car, you get the engine for free, so why swap it out? I can understand the V-8 swaps, but the 4-banger swaps just dont do it for me. And on top of the fact I dont like any product Mitsubishi has ever offered, I have no reason to want any engine they make, no matter how badass it was or is. Every automotive company has at least one ultra badass engine, but whats the point of taking it out of one car, and swapping it in to another car that weighs near the same? And the said car already came with a badass engine? Reliability? You make me laugh, if I wanted that I would have an LS1 or an LS2 not a 4G63, thats like saying I want a honda engine.
If you swapped an LS7 in, I would be impressed, if you swapped a Viper V10 in somehow, I would be impressed, if you put a 2JZ in it I could understand... A 20B even, but a 4G63? They are a dime a dozen, and FD's are not. Its like buying a Corvette and swapping in a 4G63, Why do it??
Props on alot of hard work, but I think people on a DSM forum will appreciate it more. Sorry if you think I am bashing you, but thats just honestly how most people here will look at it.
EDIT ::
And yes the rotary IS the greatest thing since sliced bread, I dont see sliced bread powering cars.
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You are posting on an Rx-7 forum, where 90% of people bought the car because it was unique and had a rotary in it. We dont buy a Mazda because we want a mitsubishi engine, there are plenty of various DSM layouts to play with. We didnt buy an Rx-7 because we expected it to be cheap, unless we have a 1st gen (*** holes!)
The 13b in the FD's is a badass motor, and guess what? when you buy the car, you get the engine for free, so why swap it out? I can understand the V-8 swaps, but the 4-banger swaps just dont do it for me. And on top of the fact I dont like any product Mitsubishi has ever offered, I have no reason to want any engine they make, no matter how badass it was or is. Every automotive company has at least one ultra badass engine, but whats the point of taking it out of one car, and swapping it in to another car that weighs near the same? And the said car already came with a badass engine? Reliability? You make me laugh, if I wanted that I would have an LS1 or an LS2 not a 4G63, thats like saying I want a honda engine.
If you swapped an LS7 in, I would be impressed, if you swapped a Viper V10 in somehow, I would be impressed, if you put a 2JZ in it I could understand... A 20B even, but a 4G63? They are a dime a dozen, and FD's are not. Its like buying a Corvette and swapping in a 4G63, Why do it??
Props on alot of hard work, but I think people on a DSM forum will appreciate it more. Sorry if you think I am bashing you, but thats just honestly how most people here will look at it.
EDIT ::
And yes the rotary IS the greatest thing since sliced bread, I dont see sliced bread powering cars.
(*** holes!) The 13b in the FD's is a badass motor, and guess what? when you buy the car, you get the engine for free, so why swap it out? I can understand the V-8 swaps, but the 4-banger swaps just dont do it for me. And on top of the fact I dont like any product Mitsubishi has ever offered, I have no reason to want any engine they make, no matter how badass it was or is. Every automotive company has at least one ultra badass engine, but whats the point of taking it out of one car, and swapping it in to another car that weighs near the same? And the said car already came with a badass engine? Reliability? You make me laugh, if I wanted that I would have an LS1 or an LS2 not a 4G63, thats like saying I want a honda engine.
If you swapped an LS7 in, I would be impressed, if you swapped a Viper V10 in somehow, I would be impressed, if you put a 2JZ in it I could understand... A 20B even, but a 4G63? They are a dime a dozen, and FD's are not. Its like buying a Corvette and swapping in a 4G63, Why do it??
Props on alot of hard work, but I think people on a DSM forum will appreciate it more. Sorry if you think I am bashing you, but thats just honestly how most people here will look at it.
EDIT ::
And yes the rotary IS the greatest thing since sliced bread, I dont see sliced bread powering cars.
And $100Tii was right there holding the scissors. I guess if you pass your opinions as "fact" in other peoples threads without really know ing what you're talking about, you're bound to get stepped on. You're living true to the name Loki...
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See, I think that's BS. The car is awesome regardless of what motor it has under the hood... It's all about hot rodding the car to your personal taste.
From an earlier thread I started:
THE ROTARY IS JUST A ******* ENGINE. It does not make or break the car. In fact, **** the rotary. **** it with all you've got, and all your friends pushing. Yes, it's a neat idea. Yes, it's cool. But, is an RX-7 without a rotary not an RX-7? No.
Let's have a little "History of Hot Rodding", m'kay, bitches?
The automobile was created about 100 years ago. And, as soon as it was, somebody, probably wearing a wife beater, said to himself, "Hmm, how can I make it faster???" Next thing you know, we've got day-glo orange paint, horrible stickers, and 2 Paul Walker abortions to suffer through.
OK, so we skipped a couple ******' chapters.
My Dad's first car was a '57 Chevy. I never saw it. Never saw a picture of it. But, I can tell you this: It had a 327 block with a 283 crank, for a displacement of 301 cubic inches, 2 four barrels, could beat every car in his town off the line except for some ******** 65 Stingray, and my Dad wrecked it after a guy he beat in a race rear-ended him and totalled it. Now, that's why I'm into cars. My brother's first car was a 1972 Dodge Challenger with a 318, a four barrel, and a 3 speed manual, which, to this day, is still one of the coolest cars I'ver ever seen, even with a crumpled fender. My first car? A 1983 Mazda RX-7. Why? Because Victor, who worked for my Dad, had an 82 with a 13B, a Dellorto side-draft, basically every part you could order from Racing Beat, and nitrous. It was awesome. It was a hot rod. I don't give a flying **** if it was built in Japan, it was a hot rod.
Now, some people start this stupid **** that "OMG, WTF, it's not an RX-7 without the rotary!!! Oh noes!!!"
What a crock of ****. The guy down the street from me with the Nova SS... Is his car any less of a Nova SS because he decided to get a 540 cubic inch Keith Block supercharged monster which shakes the ******* earth any time he starts it?
No. Of course not. It's a motherfucking hot rod, *******! That's what makes it what it is. If it had a 4 rotor in it, it'd be just as cool.
Hot rodding, modding cars, whatever you want to call it, isn't about the parts you put into the cars, it's about doing what you like, and, for most people, what you can afford. It's about being creative, finding new ways to do things, use things, and (dear god), expressing yourself. There's a lot of **** I have no use for (hello, drifters!!!), but I still admire the creativity, the craftsmanship. Doesn't mean I have to do it to MY car, but hey, maybe it will inspire me to try something, or to think of a new, innovative solution to something that's been bothering me or stopping me from getting MY car to where I want it.
To be honest with you guys, I like the rotary. It's different, it has it's positives, it's negatives, just like anything else. But, I like piston engines, too. There are people who are "Ford", people who are "Chevy", and they **** all over each other. I like them all. I like to build Frankenstein's monsters out of my car, using what I can, where I can, to make my car what I like of it.
The idea that without a rotary, an RX-7 isn't an RX-7, or "loses it's soul" or whatever trite bullshit some people want to say, is offensive to me. It shows a narrow mindedness that really just makes me sick.
There was a magazine I remember, it was probably Hot Rod or PHR or something, and there was a guy who wrote in about his (pretty sure it was a '67) Stingray convertible, which was one of the absolute most desirable 'vettes made. The guy had cancer, big time. Doctors told him he was gonna die. He managed to make it through, and, in his words, he decided "it was time to get crazy with the car."
Front wheels? 13 inches wide, with 335 tires. Rear wheels? Monster slicks, tubbed rear end. Insane bodywork. I saw this thing many years (15+) ago, and it's still burned in my memory. I remember thinking, "Wow, who would do that to that year 'Vette?" Then, I thought, "Man, that guy almost died. Let him do whatever the **** he wants, it's his car."
In the end, there's a lot to be said for that guy. Would anyone else do that to a 'Vette? Probably not. Would anybody else do to their 7s what I plan to do to mine? Maybe, maybe not. But, what I'm going to do, what I'm planning, is what makes her mine, and in the end, making her mine means more than leaving a ******* Wankel under the hood.
From an earlier thread I started:
THE ROTARY IS JUST A ******* ENGINE. It does not make or break the car. In fact, **** the rotary. **** it with all you've got, and all your friends pushing. Yes, it's a neat idea. Yes, it's cool. But, is an RX-7 without a rotary not an RX-7? No.
Let's have a little "History of Hot Rodding", m'kay, bitches?
The automobile was created about 100 years ago. And, as soon as it was, somebody, probably wearing a wife beater, said to himself, "Hmm, how can I make it faster???" Next thing you know, we've got day-glo orange paint, horrible stickers, and 2 Paul Walker abortions to suffer through.
OK, so we skipped a couple ******' chapters.
My Dad's first car was a '57 Chevy. I never saw it. Never saw a picture of it. But, I can tell you this: It had a 327 block with a 283 crank, for a displacement of 301 cubic inches, 2 four barrels, could beat every car in his town off the line except for some ******** 65 Stingray, and my Dad wrecked it after a guy he beat in a race rear-ended him and totalled it. Now, that's why I'm into cars. My brother's first car was a 1972 Dodge Challenger with a 318, a four barrel, and a 3 speed manual, which, to this day, is still one of the coolest cars I'ver ever seen, even with a crumpled fender. My first car? A 1983 Mazda RX-7. Why? Because Victor, who worked for my Dad, had an 82 with a 13B, a Dellorto side-draft, basically every part you could order from Racing Beat, and nitrous. It was awesome. It was a hot rod. I don't give a flying **** if it was built in Japan, it was a hot rod.
Now, some people start this stupid **** that "OMG, WTF, it's not an RX-7 without the rotary!!! Oh noes!!!"
What a crock of ****. The guy down the street from me with the Nova SS... Is his car any less of a Nova SS because he decided to get a 540 cubic inch Keith Block supercharged monster which shakes the ******* earth any time he starts it?
No. Of course not. It's a motherfucking hot rod, *******! That's what makes it what it is. If it had a 4 rotor in it, it'd be just as cool.
Hot rodding, modding cars, whatever you want to call it, isn't about the parts you put into the cars, it's about doing what you like, and, for most people, what you can afford. It's about being creative, finding new ways to do things, use things, and (dear god), expressing yourself. There's a lot of **** I have no use for (hello, drifters!!!), but I still admire the creativity, the craftsmanship. Doesn't mean I have to do it to MY car, but hey, maybe it will inspire me to try something, or to think of a new, innovative solution to something that's been bothering me or stopping me from getting MY car to where I want it.
To be honest with you guys, I like the rotary. It's different, it has it's positives, it's negatives, just like anything else. But, I like piston engines, too. There are people who are "Ford", people who are "Chevy", and they **** all over each other. I like them all. I like to build Frankenstein's monsters out of my car, using what I can, where I can, to make my car what I like of it.
The idea that without a rotary, an RX-7 isn't an RX-7, or "loses it's soul" or whatever trite bullshit some people want to say, is offensive to me. It shows a narrow mindedness that really just makes me sick.
There was a magazine I remember, it was probably Hot Rod or PHR or something, and there was a guy who wrote in about his (pretty sure it was a '67) Stingray convertible, which was one of the absolute most desirable 'vettes made. The guy had cancer, big time. Doctors told him he was gonna die. He managed to make it through, and, in his words, he decided "it was time to get crazy with the car."
Front wheels? 13 inches wide, with 335 tires. Rear wheels? Monster slicks, tubbed rear end. Insane bodywork. I saw this thing many years (15+) ago, and it's still burned in my memory. I remember thinking, "Wow, who would do that to that year 'Vette?" Then, I thought, "Man, that guy almost died. Let him do whatever the **** he wants, it's his car."
In the end, there's a lot to be said for that guy. Would anyone else do that to a 'Vette? Probably not. Would anybody else do to their 7s what I plan to do to mine? Maybe, maybe not. But, what I'm going to do, what I'm planning, is what makes her mine, and in the end, making her mine means more than leaving a ******* Wankel under the hood.
Well said buddy, well ****** said!!!
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See, I think that's BS. The car is awesome regardless of what motor it has under the hood... It's all about hot rodding the car to your personal taste.
From an earlier thread I started:
THE ROTARY IS JUST A ******* ENGINE. It does not make or break the car. In fact, **** the rotary. **** it with all you've got, and all your friends pushing. Yes, it's a neat idea. Yes, it's cool. But, is an RX-7 without a rotary not an RX-7? No.
Let's have a little "History of Hot Rodding", m'kay, bitches?
The automobile was created about 100 years ago. And, as soon as it was, somebody, probably wearing a wife beater, said to himself, "Hmm, how can I make it faster???" Next thing you know, we've got day-glo orange paint, horrible stickers, and 2 Paul Walker abortions to suffer through.
OK, so we skipped a couple ******' chapters.
My Dad's first car was a '57 Chevy. I never saw it. Never saw a picture of it. But, I can tell you this: It had a 327 block with a 283 crank, for a displacement of 301 cubic inches, 2 four barrels, could beat every car in his town off the line except for some ******** 65 Stingray, and my Dad wrecked it after a guy he beat in a race rear-ended him and totalled it. Now, that's why I'm into cars. My brother's first car was a 1972 Dodge Challenger with a 318, a four barrel, and a 3 speed manual, which, to this day, is still one of the coolest cars I'ver ever seen, even with a crumpled fender. My first car? A 1983 Mazda RX-7. Why? Because Victor, who worked for my Dad, had an 82 with a 13B, a Dellorto side-draft, basically every part you could order from Racing Beat, and nitrous. It was awesome. It was a hot rod. I don't give a flying **** if it was built in Japan, it was a hot rod.
Now, some people start this stupid **** that "OMG, WTF, it's not an RX-7 without the rotary!!! Oh noes!!!"
What a crock of ****. The guy down the street from me with the Nova SS... Is his car any less of a Nova SS because he decided to get a 540 cubic inch Keith Block supercharged monster which shakes the ******* earth any time he starts it?
No. Of course not. It's a motherfucking hot rod, *******! That's what makes it what it is. If it had a 4 rotor in it, it'd be just as cool.
Hot rodding, modding cars, whatever you want to call it, isn't about the parts you put into the cars, it's about doing what you like, and, for most people, what you can afford. It's about being creative, finding new ways to do things, use things, and (dear god), expressing yourself. There's a lot of **** I have no use for (hello, drifters!!!), but I still admire the creativity, the craftsmanship. Doesn't mean I have to do it to MY car, but hey, maybe it will inspire me to try something, or to think of a new, innovative solution to something that's been bothering me or stopping me from getting MY car to where I want it.
To be honest with you guys, I like the rotary. It's different, it has it's positives, it's negatives, just like anything else. But, I like piston engines, too. There are people who are "Ford", people who are "Chevy", and they **** all over each other. I like them all. I like to build Frankenstein's monsters out of my car, using what I can, where I can, to make my car what I like of it.
The idea that without a rotary, an RX-7 isn't an RX-7, or "loses it's soul" or whatever trite bullshit some people want to say, is offensive to me. It shows a narrow mindedness that really just makes me sick.
There was a magazine I remember, it was probably Hot Rod or PHR or something, and there was a guy who wrote in about his (pretty sure it was a '67) Stingray convertible, which was one of the absolute most desirable 'vettes made. The guy had cancer, big time. Doctors told him he was gonna die. He managed to make it through, and, in his words, he decided "it was time to get crazy with the car."
Front wheels? 13 inches wide, with 335 tires. Rear wheels? Monster slicks, tubbed rear end. Insane bodywork. I saw this thing many years (15+) ago, and it's still burned in my memory. I remember thinking, "Wow, who would do that to that year 'Vette?" Then, I thought, "Man, that guy almost died. Let him do whatever the **** he wants, it's his car."
In the end, there's a lot to be said for that guy. Would anyone else do that to a 'Vette? Probably not. Would anybody else do to their 7s what I plan to do to mine? Maybe, maybe not. But, what I'm going to do, what I'm planning, is what makes her mine, and in the end, making her mine means more than leaving a ******* Wankel under the hood.
From an earlier thread I started:
THE ROTARY IS JUST A ******* ENGINE. It does not make or break the car. In fact, **** the rotary. **** it with all you've got, and all your friends pushing. Yes, it's a neat idea. Yes, it's cool. But, is an RX-7 without a rotary not an RX-7? No.
Let's have a little "History of Hot Rodding", m'kay, bitches?
The automobile was created about 100 years ago. And, as soon as it was, somebody, probably wearing a wife beater, said to himself, "Hmm, how can I make it faster???" Next thing you know, we've got day-glo orange paint, horrible stickers, and 2 Paul Walker abortions to suffer through.
OK, so we skipped a couple ******' chapters.
My Dad's first car was a '57 Chevy. I never saw it. Never saw a picture of it. But, I can tell you this: It had a 327 block with a 283 crank, for a displacement of 301 cubic inches, 2 four barrels, could beat every car in his town off the line except for some ******** 65 Stingray, and my Dad wrecked it after a guy he beat in a race rear-ended him and totalled it. Now, that's why I'm into cars. My brother's first car was a 1972 Dodge Challenger with a 318, a four barrel, and a 3 speed manual, which, to this day, is still one of the coolest cars I'ver ever seen, even with a crumpled fender. My first car? A 1983 Mazda RX-7. Why? Because Victor, who worked for my Dad, had an 82 with a 13B, a Dellorto side-draft, basically every part you could order from Racing Beat, and nitrous. It was awesome. It was a hot rod. I don't give a flying **** if it was built in Japan, it was a hot rod.
Now, some people start this stupid **** that "OMG, WTF, it's not an RX-7 without the rotary!!! Oh noes!!!"
What a crock of ****. The guy down the street from me with the Nova SS... Is his car any less of a Nova SS because he decided to get a 540 cubic inch Keith Block supercharged monster which shakes the ******* earth any time he starts it?
No. Of course not. It's a motherfucking hot rod, *******! That's what makes it what it is. If it had a 4 rotor in it, it'd be just as cool.
Hot rodding, modding cars, whatever you want to call it, isn't about the parts you put into the cars, it's about doing what you like, and, for most people, what you can afford. It's about being creative, finding new ways to do things, use things, and (dear god), expressing yourself. There's a lot of **** I have no use for (hello, drifters!!!), but I still admire the creativity, the craftsmanship. Doesn't mean I have to do it to MY car, but hey, maybe it will inspire me to try something, or to think of a new, innovative solution to something that's been bothering me or stopping me from getting MY car to where I want it.
To be honest with you guys, I like the rotary. It's different, it has it's positives, it's negatives, just like anything else. But, I like piston engines, too. There are people who are "Ford", people who are "Chevy", and they **** all over each other. I like them all. I like to build Frankenstein's monsters out of my car, using what I can, where I can, to make my car what I like of it.
The idea that without a rotary, an RX-7 isn't an RX-7, or "loses it's soul" or whatever trite bullshit some people want to say, is offensive to me. It shows a narrow mindedness that really just makes me sick.
There was a magazine I remember, it was probably Hot Rod or PHR or something, and there was a guy who wrote in about his (pretty sure it was a '67) Stingray convertible, which was one of the absolute most desirable 'vettes made. The guy had cancer, big time. Doctors told him he was gonna die. He managed to make it through, and, in his words, he decided "it was time to get crazy with the car."
Front wheels? 13 inches wide, with 335 tires. Rear wheels? Monster slicks, tubbed rear end. Insane bodywork. I saw this thing many years (15+) ago, and it's still burned in my memory. I remember thinking, "Wow, who would do that to that year 'Vette?" Then, I thought, "Man, that guy almost died. Let him do whatever the **** he wants, it's his car."
In the end, there's a lot to be said for that guy. Would anyone else do that to a 'Vette? Probably not. Would anybody else do to their 7s what I plan to do to mine? Maybe, maybe not. But, what I'm going to do, what I'm planning, is what makes her mine, and in the end, making her mine means more than leaving a ******* Wankel under the hood.
You know... I used to be like that... but then I slowly started seeing things in another light, like you describe here, and now I totaly agree with you! Shure, I don't want to put an LS1 in my FC, but that doesnt mean I rag on people who have one... In fact, I just talked to a guy who put a 350ci with into his 300ZX, and told him how sick i thought that was... not my style, (I would have went with a rebuild and 600WHP on twin turbos and a manual trans swap) but his ride was sick none the less. IT was HIS idea, and he did it, and now has a bitchin hotrod that HE (most importantly) likes... and after all, this is all that realy matters, right? Thanks for your input, $100T2
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No disrespect or anything man. But what is up with all you guys on this and every RX7 forum acting like the rotary is the greatest invention since sliced bread. And acting like the car has feelings or something. Statements like: "the FD deserves something better" and "waste of money, he shoulda stuck with the rotary" makes me want to ask the question I ask in every thread and that question seems start an argument: IS MAZDA PAYING YOU GUYS OR SOMETHING??? I hold no loyalties to any material thing man, not even the company/brand I work for much less for the car I drive or the motor in it. I just want cheap and reliable speed, or the closest thing to it. I'm in the process of doing this swap now. I started around the same time as these guys but they beat me to it because I'm also working on the house, and much congrats to them it looks beautiful. The 4G63 is a strong reliable cheap motor with forged internals that will handle at least 500hp stock. And did I mention cheap? The motor costs like $100, and you can fully build one for under $3000. A <a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=22&k=water%20pump" onmouseover="window.status='water pump'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">water pump</a> costs $18 at the parts store for christ sake. The bottom line is this fellas this is a piston world, yes the rotary is an amazing motor, truly amazing, but until the R&D for it picks up, and prices fall to that or lower than a piston motor(thats gonna happen on Neverary 32nd), swapping in ANY piston motor will always be a sensible option.
Now, in all reality, that (what I just typed) would probably work. I'm sure the little 4G is lighter than the V10 (not sure by how much) and would be able to produce gobs of power, but whats the point? Why change something that is already proven?
Kinda see what I'm getting at? Why not just work with what you've got and be happy with it?
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Porsche Carrera GT owners: Tired of the lack of aftermarket support for that wheezy 600hp V10 powerplant? Tired of its all aluminum block and heads weighing you down? Well nows your chance to jump on this once in a lifetime deal- SWAP IN A 4G63 AND MAKE UP TO 1,000HP!!!!!! Thats right, now you can have a TRUE monster!!! The looks and handling of Porsche's Carrera GT with the unparalelled reliability and performance of Mitsubishi's 4G63!!!! Act now!!!!!
Now, in all reality, that (what I just typed) would probably work. I'm sure the little 4G is lighter than the V10 (not sure by how much) and would be able to produce gobs of power, but whats the point? Why change something that is already proven?
Kinda see what I'm getting at? Why not just work with what you've got and be happy with it?
Now, in all reality, that (what I just typed) would probably work. I'm sure the little 4G is lighter than the V10 (not sure by how much) and would be able to produce gobs of power, but whats the point? Why change something that is already proven?
Kinda see what I'm getting at? Why not just work with what you've got and be happy with it?
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No disrespect or anything man. But what is up with all you guys on this and every RX7 forum acting like the rotary is the greatest invention since sliced bread. And acting like the car has feelings or something. Statements like: "the FD deserves something better" and "waste of money, he shoulda stuck with the rotary" makes me want to ask the question I ask in every thread and that question seems start an argument: IS MAZDA PAYING YOU GUYS OR SOMETHING??? I hold no loyalties to any material thing man, not even the company/brand I work for much less for the car I drive or the motor in it. I just want cheap and reliable speed, or the closest thing to it. I'm in the process of doing this swap now. I started around the same time as these guys but they beat me to it because I'm also working on the house, and much congrats to them it looks beautiful. The 4G63 is a strong reliable cheap motor with forged internals that will handle at least 500hp stock. And did I mention cheap? The motor costs like $100, and you can fully build one for under $3000. A water pump costs $18 at the parts store for christ sake. The bottom line is this fellas this is a piston world, yes the rotary is an amazing motor, truly amazing, but until the R&D for it picks up, and prices fall to that or lower than a piston motor(thats gonna happen on Neverary 32nd), swapping in ANY piston motor will always be a sensible option.
To each his own, but I bought MY '7s because of the rotary engine. An RX-7, whether it's an SA, FB, FC, or an FD, just isn't the same without the rotary. Rotaries are cool in other vehicles, too, but the RX (IMHO) NEEDS the rotary engine to be complete...
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$100T2, you've got an excellent point. I'm not gonna put down anybody for any swap like that, you've got to appreciate the work involved whether you like the finished product or not. I've hot-rodded MANY vehicles, 350's in S-10's, 302's in
Bronco II's, 'bagged, body-dropped, and built a 2.2L B2200 with a weber DGV, cam, port & polish & performance machine work, built a propane-powered 1.3L Suzuki Samurai all-aluminum engine with plenty of torque-enhancing performance upgrades, and I've ALWAYS wanted to stuff a V-8 in a Geo Metro or a CRX (converted to RWD) but have never gotten around to it due to other projects. TO EACH HIS OWN. But I bought my first RX-7 because of the rotary, then I bought the GSL-SE for the valuable factory parts to hot-rod my '83 GS with.
I'll always appreciate the labor involved in any kind of modification or engine swap like this, even though it's something I personally wouldn't do. I've spent a lot of money on my FB, and I'll spend even more in the coming weeks, months, and years, but any RX I own will only be powered by a rotary. That's just MY own personal preference...
Bronco II's, 'bagged, body-dropped, and built a 2.2L B2200 with a weber DGV, cam, port & polish & performance machine work, built a propane-powered 1.3L Suzuki Samurai all-aluminum engine with plenty of torque-enhancing performance upgrades, and I've ALWAYS wanted to stuff a V-8 in a Geo Metro or a CRX (converted to RWD) but have never gotten around to it due to other projects. TO EACH HIS OWN. But I bought my first RX-7 because of the rotary, then I bought the GSL-SE for the valuable factory parts to hot-rod my '83 GS with.
I'll always appreciate the labor involved in any kind of modification or engine swap like this, even though it's something I personally wouldn't do. I've spent a lot of money on my FB, and I'll spend even more in the coming weeks, months, and years, but any RX I own will only be powered by a rotary. That's just MY own personal preference...
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Dude again...maybe its just me man. Call me crazy. But I feel like me and just a few others are the only sane ones on this damn forum. But in that example you just gave, HELL YEAH I would swap the motor with a 4g63 in the Porsche. Actually Eric Plebani already did it for the same reason I'm about to explain. Dude, if I can make the same power out of another motor for cheaper and I can get that motor fitted into the Porsche for cheaper than parts for or building the Porsche motor will cost in the long run...HELL YES!! When are you guys gonna learn: one of the MAIN aspects of Hod Rodding is motor swaps. Dude, maybe when you been through everything that people like $100T2 and I have been through with cars man, maybe when you reach my age and have been building motors and wrenching under the hood for years, working with your buddy in the snow with a high of 5* outside, working on cars so much and so excited that you forgot you didn't eat, or sleep. Maybe when you go to the track, chill in the pit and talk to the drivers and more importantly the mechanics. Maybe when you basically seen it all like me, you'll see it the way I see it. These are just cars man, you guys seeing some kinda loyalty or honor to these things like they're alive or something. I'm trying, but I just dont understand it man.
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The idea that without a rotary, an RX-7 isn't an RX-7, or "loses it's soul" or whatever trite bullshit some people want to say, is offensive to me. It shows a narrow mindedness that really just makes me sick.
It would not be a RX7, because RX7 does stand for ROTARY EXPEREMENTAL
7. Without the rotary it's only a X7.
But seriously, it's definetley different. I have a 2g eclipse, and a 1st sgen RX7, so I like them both. The rx7 is still my favorite by far. The only reason I got into rx7's was because of the rotary engine. Lots of power out of very little cubic inches=bad *** engine!
The idea that without a rotary, an RX-7 isn't an RX-7, or "loses it's soul" or whatever trite bullshit some people want to say, is offensive to me. It shows a narrow mindedness that really just makes me sick.
It would not be a RX7, because RX7 does stand for ROTARY EXPEREMENTAL
7. Without the rotary it's only a X7.
But seriously, it's definetley different. I have a 2g eclipse, and a 1st sgen RX7, so I like them both. The rx7 is still my favorite by far. The only reason I got into rx7's was because of the rotary engine. Lots of power out of very little cubic inches=bad *** engine!
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It would not be a RX7, because RX7 does stand for ROTARY EXPEREMENTAL
7. Without the rotary it's only a X7.
But seriously, it's definetley different. I have a 2g eclipse, and a 1st sgen RX7, so I like them both. The rx7 is still my favorite by far. The only reason I got into rx7's was because of the rotary engine. Lots of power out of very little cubic inches=bad *** engine!
And there is much debate on where the "RX" stands for rotary experiment at all. (really, that should be RE-7, now shouldn't it). It's fine that you're an import fanatic HP/L fanboi and all, and that the rotary engine happens to stroke that part odd little part of your ego, but let's keep your titling theories to yourself.
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The X does stand for experimental. There are plenty of companies that use just X for words that start with ex. If you did you're resurch, you might find that out for you're self. I'm not on here for a war of words. Anyway back to the topic. The setup is pretty nice. If it couldn't have have a rotary, the next best thing would be the 4g63, in my opinion.
It's much better than a LS1 swap, considering it's been doon, like a thousand times.
It's much better than a LS1 swap, considering it's been doon, like a thousand times.
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The X does stand for experimental. There are plenty of companies that use just X for words that start with ex. If you did you're resurch, you might find that out for you're self. I'm not on here for a war of words. Anyway back to the topic. The setup is pretty nice. If it couldn't have have a rotary, the next best thing would be the 4g63, in my opinion.
It's much better than a LS1 swap, considering it's been doon, like a thousand times.
It's much better than a LS1 swap, considering it's been doon, like a thousand times.
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Porsche Carrera GT owners: Tired of the lack of aftermarket support for that wheezy 600hp V10 powerplant? Tired of its all aluminum block and heads weighing you down? Well nows your chance to jump on this once in a lifetime deal- SWAP IN A 4G63 AND MAKE UP TO 1,000HP!!!!!! Thats right, now you can have a TRUE monster!!! The looks and handling of Porsche's Carrera GT with the unparalelled reliability and performance of Mitsubishi's 4G63!!!! Act now!!!!!
Now, in all reality, that (what I just typed) would probably work. I'm sure the little 4G is lighter than the V10 (not sure by how much) and would be able to produce gobs of power, but whats the point? Why change something that is already proven?
Kinda see what I'm getting at? Why not just work with what you've got and be happy with it?
Now, in all reality, that (what I just typed) would probably work. I'm sure the little 4G is lighter than the V10 (not sure by how much) and would be able to produce gobs of power, but whats the point? Why change something that is already proven?
Kinda see what I'm getting at? Why not just work with what you've got and be happy with it?
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Dude again...maybe its just me man. Call me crazy. But I feel like me and just a few others are the only sane ones on this damn forum. But in that example you just gave, HELL YEAH I would swap the motor with a 4g63 in the Porsche. Actually Eric Plebani already did it for the same reason I'm about to explain. Dude, if I can make the same power out of another motor for cheaper and I can get that motor fitted into the Porsche for cheaper than parts for or building the Porsche motor will cost in the long run...HELL YES!! When are you guys gonna learn: one of the MAIN aspects of Hod Rodding is motor swaps. Dude, maybe when you been through everything that people like $100T2 and I have been through with cars man, maybe when you reach my age and have been building motors and wrenching under the hood for years, working with your buddy in the snow with a high of 5* outside, working on cars so much and so excited that you forgot you didn't eat, or sleep. Maybe when you go to the track, chill in the pit and talk to the drivers and more importantly the mechanics. Maybe when you basically seen it all like me, you'll see it the way I see it. These are just cars man, you guys seeing some kinda loyalty or honor to these things like they're alive or something. I'm trying, but I just dont understand it man.
you keep coming back to the whole "cheaper parts" and "costs less" bs... if money is such an issue for you maybe you shouldnt of got an fd? try a civic or something...
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Don't worry about the haters...they mostly all drive 15 seconds cars and hide behind a keyboard bashing other people's projects, we've been through this hundreds of times with v8s and other various swaps.
Very cleanly done...4g63s are great engines, they just come with shitty cars. FDs are great cars, they just come with...you finish the sentence lol. Sounds like a win win to me.
Very cleanly done...4g63s are great engines, they just come with shitty cars. FDs are great cars, they just come with...you finish the sentence lol. Sounds like a win win to me.
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Dont lie man, you and I both know you really want CHEAP RELIABLE SPEED IN A GOOD LOOKING CAR WITH GREAT HANDLING. That is the ultimate quest of damn near every hot rodder. But if you not lying and you really LIKE spending money, I guess you rich, more power to you.
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Don't worry about the haters...they mostly all drive 15 seconds cars and hide behind a keyboard bashing other people's projects, we've been through this hundreds of times with v8s and other various swaps.
Very cleanly done...4g63s are great engines, they just come with shitty cars. FDs are great cars, they just come with...you finish the sentence lol. Sounds like a win win to me.
Very cleanly done...4g63s are great engines, they just come with shitty cars. FDs are great cars, they just come with...you finish the sentence lol. Sounds like a win win to me.
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**** the E-Thugs man. If the people on this board knew what I had in store for the FC I am buying, I would be castrated. (And you will all find out after I buy one.)
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My freind was actually telling me today about some first get around here that has a 4G63 and runs mid 7's.
Oh. and if the rotary is so great, why does it blow up after 50k miles?
Oh. and if the rotary is so great, why does it blow up after 50k miles?
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Thanks for the props guys And the reason we went this route (over the LSX series engine with twins on it, which was our other consideration) was simply based upon the fact that it had not been done before and we wanted to show what we can do. I think it turned out pretty well and based on the discussions I have been seeing it is definitely getting the word out there about our establishment. Thanks again!
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And the reason we went this route (over the LSX series engine with twins on it, which was our other consideration) was simply based upon the fact that it had not been done before and we wanted to show what we can do. I think it turned out pretty well and based on the discussions I have been seeing it is definitely getting the word out there about our establishment. Thanks again!Chris
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