1986 RX-7

Ok guys i am the only one i guess that owns one of both cars. and to tell you the truth 4g63 or RX-7 neither is more reliable then the other. but i do not see the point in putting a 4g63 in a RX-7. you are going to have alot of money in this project. I own a 1990 eagle talon TSI awd and i have had problems form that more then my RX-7. More so in finding parts but the RX-7 is harder to work on. And dude if you like the DSM's so much you can make them RWD instead of FWD or AWD. all you have to do is cap off the front shafts. So basiclly don't go and screw up a nice *** RX-7 or a 4G63. Neither one needs to be done wrong by swaping. The 4G63 is a strong motor and it does have power but they are prone to timing problems. the RX-7's are the same way as any car is. Sorry guys but this is the way it is and i love both of my cars and would not give ethier one up for any thing.

Nihilanthic

Hey, buddy... psst...

You know why turbo piston motors are preferred by many over turbo rotaries? They can detonate more than once!

FC's are not harder to work on, they have tons of room under the hood... even compared to the cars a lot of the v8-swaps come from

Oh, and guess what. Roller RX7's are so cheap, and making mounts for a 4g63 and a transmission adaptor (or a wideblock and a T-II tranny) is so much cheaper and easier than a "RWD DSM" that to even conceptualize doing that is to demonstrate how retarded, poorly educated, or just a shallow thinker you are.

Now sure you can take an AWD and ****** rig it to be RWD, but guess what? Most likely the differentials wouldnt like that and would require further engineering unless you enjoy breaking parts.

Now, all your SUBJECTIVE crap is just fine, becuase its SUBJECTIVE, but dont give off any bullshit thats objectively wrong, mk?

No_Rotor_RX7

man if people think this is bad, wait till i put a blow-thru turbo 12a in an FD! aahahahhaha!

89FCVert

No_Rotor_RX7,

LOL

Nihilanthic

If you rev it to 9K and say its got more hp/liter half the people here would eat it up.

If you want maximum rice, set it up for ITB's and build a big airbox around them.

NOPR

wow, that was a weak little cheap shot, i wonder who that was directed towards? ITB's with a true cold air intake are really rice...

Nihilanthic

I know that ITBs inside of a pressurized plenum for turbo setups are great.

But I was joking mostly, and the point was the typical ricer just nuts over the more features they see, whether or not its necessary or useful or adds any performance.

And no I didnt mean a CAI, I meant a way to use ITBs for blow-through

1986 RX-7

you know guys this Nihilanthic person seems to think that i don't know any thing about cars. well i hate to tell you that i know cars. i work on all my cars my self and i would say that all my cars run fine. this raging on poeple about a simple remark is bullshit. I am just saying that ethier one is a good car by its self but putting them to gether is not a good idea. that is just my opinion. I mean if i did not like rotary motors i would put my 351 in my RX-7 but i am not going to do that because rotary motors are good motors. As is the 4G63 they are one of the best motors piston wise. but hey if you want to be a dick about that just shows that you are a weak minded person so hey go on with your simple life. have a good one guys.

coltboostin

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Wow. Someone with actual facts to work with.


Can I get your autograph?

Nihilanthic

Give me a bottle of double bastard ale and you got it.

Or a LQ4 shortblock, whichever is easier to find. Probably the latter

Well, most definitely the latter

BLitzed33

What is your def. of reliable? I mean, when you increase a cars output to more than double its original output, things wont last as long. However, there are plenty of FD's running around with 400+ whp and doing just fine. I myself dont need a daily driver that has 400+whp, thats why most of these guys use them for a toy/weekend car. Lets not forget tuning and type of fuel you are using for the application. Cost this and cost that, it is what it is, stop whining, everyone knows its expensive to modify a Rotary to BIG whp. I will use some examples of high whp rotaries that run great and take the abuse. First, if you even know who it is, back in 2002 ray wilson was running his true street fd with 670 whp w/ nitrous on the street and a whole drag race season and countless pulls on the dyno, if thats not reliability being tested under high stress I dont know what is. Of course tuning and running race gas came into play---again, it is what it is as far as limits of the rotary and fuel being used. Ernie Taylor made 643whp/520 lbs ft all turbo in his street FD...same thing, I make 561whp/445 lb ft torque, beat the crap out of my car and runs great, again we all use the correct type of fuel for what application we are doing. It's all in what you want, I like the RX7, I like the rotary, so I made the choice to spend what it takes to make the power level I am at and do what it takes to keep it that way. You may say, yea but it costs too much...so what, if you can't afford to go that route, then maybe that power level is not for you, or your tuner isnt that great. There is nothing wrong with the rotary, nor the swaps people like to do, just dont make statements that you have no personal first hand experience with....which is, have you ever owned a 550+ whp FD...and if you did, then at that point you would know what it takes to get there, the costs involved in keeping it running and wouldnt complain about money.
Remember, anything can happen, engines are mechanical and and can break for countless reasons, but also due to ignorance on the owners part as well. yes you can make power out of any motor, how deep are your pockets, there is no right or wrong choice in your personal build up if YOUR car, just opinions and lots of people have them.

BLitzed33

Again, to my earlier post, are we running this as a true daily driven 700 whp that you will utilize this actual power for daily use or a fun toy? Again, it is what it is as far as money goes and the nature of the rotary....and you yourself said it two times, CHEAP, so I take it you just dont have the budget to build or maintain a big whp rotary, and there is nothing wrong with that, but there are those who do have a high whp rotary and have no issues at all with them. And if you built and tuned them, why not make over 500 whp (refer back to my ealier post) as others successfully have and as far as stock ports...if you know you want to make that kind of power, you would do porting, its just common sense. Anyway, good luck!

KeloidJonesJr.

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Bump?

coltboostin

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All 3 cars you listed were not at the power level of my former spare parts junkyard sponsored daily driven Colt-and they were at the pinnacle of the 13b powered nation. What does that tell you? As I said before, if I could be content with 400whp, I might keep the rotary, but I am cursed by the power bug, and will feel like I am taking a step back if I dont make at least the same amount of power as my old car.

Yes, it will be my daily driver. School, work, around town, to the club..ect. IMO, If I cant enjoy may car everyday, or when I please, then I wont get much fulfillment from it. I appreciate your honest and factual opinion though, instead of the usual "piston motors suck yo" I have been getting from most on the board.

BLitzed33

Thanks for understanding and I agree, I get sick hearing the V8 vs Rotary, etc...its like beating a dead horse, there is no right or wrong in either case, its mere choice. I totally agree about wanting that level of HP, because once you have been there, going backwards just doesnt feel right. 400whp in a lightcar is enough to pound most street going cars as a daily driver, now if it were my weekend fun toy, I would want to make as much as possible, but I wouldnt want to have to deal with the hassle of mechanical failures in a daily driver due to making that much power. Thats why I drive a gas saver daily and the FD for enjoyment. But again, I can also see the appeal of having a LS1 in a FD, boat loads of torque, parts readily available and cheap, and the having that V8 sound.
plus the reliability factor for daily driving with better gas mileage compared to a rotary with high hp. Good luck with whatever choice you make.

shm21284

Don't act like your the only one who has a welder and a dream, bub. I build cars too, sweetheart.

coltboostin

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Whats your point?

shm21284

My point is the T2 engine is strong when properly tuned and set up. The engine itself has proven reliable when the radiator, oil cooler, fuel system is upgraded, and the car is tuned correctly. The ones that fail often times are mis tuned, or have an non substantial system, or many non substantial systems.

shm21284

Nihilanthic, you need to get off your soap box and get some practical experience. Show me a car you have built, or taken a large participation in building, then you can preach to everyone what you know. Until then, back off.

Nihilanthic

You're telling me to build something WRONG just to prove that it is? Good god.

hondaracer7a

ok to the kid who is trying to figure out if this will work effin right it will and anyone who says that it cant is damn wrong take a mighty max mits. tranny which is rear wheel drive start bellhousing also ok here better yet here is the guy who put one in a rear wheel drive mighty max he has all the specs on how to do a rear wheel drive 4g63 bcuz i had the same damn idea man and i have 3 turbo'd sitting around doing nothing and a blown rx7 motor as of yesterday so im gonna make it work i am for sure doing this swap asap so i will post pictures of progress


http://www.cardomain.com/ride/421610

Tessai

I've been considering this swap myself. Too bad I'm broke .

hondaracer7a

yea im definately doing this there are 3 motors here to put in my car and i have 2 rx7's both 2nd gens so if it works in one it will work in another take the 4g63 motor b2600 bellhousing and the turbo II tranny and clutch stuff and there you go you have a rxg63

digitalsolo

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If you haven't kept up in the thread... it's the 4g64? wideblock that fits the B2600 bellhousing, not the standard 4g63; it can be done, but it's less simple that you make it sound.

hondaracer7a

ok so explain to me how much harder it is bcuz i have done a 383 small block s10 conversion which was easy as hell then there was the big block 454 which was HELL! so which one is it decently challenging or rediculously hard