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Reliability and keeping it original. If your budget permits I suggest you find an Experienced engine builder with 30-40+ years of experience that started with twin Dizzies and has no problem rebuilding them. If you're building the motor yourself find a old MAZDA engine rebuild book that the Technicians used back in the day and read up.
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don't bother swapping the struts.
i say try and keep that car as stock as possible. mods will only de-value it. there's heaps of molested rx's around the world, very few factory original or resto'd.
koni make great dampers to fit (f & r), springs are easy to have made up, including re-set higher rate leaf springs to avoid lowering blocks and if you want bigger brakes there are so many hubs you can machine up to fit bigger discs and adapter plates to fit bigger calipers.
why do you even need bigger brakes?
unless you're whacking in a big ported 13B or a turb and going circuit racing you don't need 'em.
all new front end suspension parts (tie-rods etc), nolathane bushes and it'll feel like a go-kart. a 70's go kart with leaf spring rear suspension.. but still, awesome.
the 12A in your car is a single dizzy (according to the pics). the best upgrade is the electronic ignition from the first gen rx7 12A's. i think it slots straight in. a minor mod. reverse-able, too.
also, did i mention to keep it stock.....
i say try and keep that car as stock as possible. mods will only de-value it. there's heaps of molested rx's around the world, very few factory original or resto'd.
koni make great dampers to fit (f & r), springs are easy to have made up, including re-set higher rate leaf springs to avoid lowering blocks and if you want bigger brakes there are so many hubs you can machine up to fit bigger discs and adapter plates to fit bigger calipers.
why do you even need bigger brakes?
unless you're whacking in a big ported 13B or a turb and going circuit racing you don't need 'em.
all new front end suspension parts (tie-rods etc), nolathane bushes and it'll feel like a go-kart. a 70's go kart with leaf spring rear suspension.. but still, awesome.
the 12A in your car is a single dizzy (according to the pics). the best upgrade is the electronic ignition from the first gen rx7 12A's. i think it slots straight in. a minor mod. reverse-able, too.
also, did i mention to keep it stock.....
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Like I said earlier, I would like to keep it simple (stock). But I do want it a little lower. If I could just get lowering springs on the stock suspension then I'd do that. But at this point I'm trying to get as much input as possible on different setups and then, hopefully, make a well informed decision.
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A strut swap is pretty basic and easily reversable without hurting the car , ground control makes camber plates that bolt in with no cutting . There are ways to mod your car without hacking it up . And better brakes are a great upgrade , I don't need the upgrade if I live in AU , there are no hills . In california all there are is hills and brake fade is a concern . Here are some mods you should stay away from 1: cutting a hole in your hood for a air cleaner 2: mount your gauges on the cowl in front of your windshield 3: make your interior 5 different colors with tons of speakers .
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as matt said, lots of hills in the states and we have too many aggressive drivers even on a SOCAL stop and go traffic .
Here is your initial list:
1. 81-85 front brake assembly/suspension/stock springs.
2. FB strut tube needs to be extended as it is way shorter than a RX-3/SA.
3. RE Speed strut tube insert and there is a variety of aftermarket strut insert such as KYB and Tokico but Tokico blues or ilumina. (
(Im currently using a 1" insert but I also purchased a 3" insert (IIRC) so I can experiment with a longer strut tube.
4. Camber plate
5. Rear FB disc brake caliper/rotor/e-brake cable.
6. FB brake master cylinder, proportioning valve and clutch master (you have to fabricate your hard lines due to change in brake line thread pitch beginning in 1981).
7. Soft brake lines.
8. OPTIONAL: FB brake booster and 81-83 brake/clutch pedal assembly. IMHO, this is your optimal brake upgrade so your car will stop on a dime ALA Winston Tire Commercial.
You can search under my username for further details.
Here is your initial list:
1. 81-85 front brake assembly/suspension/stock springs.
2. FB strut tube needs to be extended as it is way shorter than a RX-3/SA.
3. RE Speed strut tube insert and there is a variety of aftermarket strut insert such as KYB and Tokico but Tokico blues or ilumina. (
(Im currently using a 1" insert but I also purchased a 3" insert (IIRC) so I can experiment with a longer strut tube.
4. Camber plate
5. Rear FB disc brake caliper/rotor/e-brake cable.
6. FB brake master cylinder, proportioning valve and clutch master (you have to fabricate your hard lines due to change in brake line thread pitch beginning in 1981).
7. Soft brake lines.
8. OPTIONAL: FB brake booster and 81-83 brake/clutch pedal assembly. IMHO, this is your optimal brake upgrade so your car will stop on a dime ALA Winston Tire Commercial.
You can search under my username for further details.
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That Toyota belongs to a friend of mine. Stupid fast with the TT6. Bags make it interesting and fun. Depending on what you are starting with, this style is an option. If you have to hunt for years to find the unobtainable to remain stock, go sick. If you are close now, stay 'stock'. I agree with Sirianko, though- Better brakes are never a bad thing, and he's laid it out for you.
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" I want to keep the original 12a, what are some key improvements I can make internally to increase reliability. (apex seals, springs etc.)"
Hmmmm, You may want to rethink that... I am building a ported twin dizzy engine for the fact that I want the car period correct however 6mm Carbon seals are getting to be ridiculously expensive. (Quoted recently at close to $950 for the seals alone, I imported mine from Holland with springs for much less) If you transplant later model rotors to allow you to run steel seals it will be at the cost of the rotor housing lifespan.
If you are not doing a period restoration, transplant a later model single dizzy engine. For a newbie working with twin dizzies may not be the best place to start. The bad reputation they have is not 100% true but you do need to treat them real nice. Having said that the majority of my cars have been twin distributor versions and I have never blown an engine. I used to drive them hard but always treated them right.
Hmmmm, You may want to rethink that... I am building a ported twin dizzy engine for the fact that I want the car period correct however 6mm Carbon seals are getting to be ridiculously expensive. (Quoted recently at close to $950 for the seals alone, I imported mine from Holland with springs for much less) If you transplant later model rotors to allow you to run steel seals it will be at the cost of the rotor housing lifespan.
If you are not doing a period restoration, transplant a later model single dizzy engine. For a newbie working with twin dizzies may not be the best place to start. The bad reputation they have is not 100% true but you do need to treat them real nice. Having said that the majority of my cars have been twin distributor versions and I have never blown an engine. I used to drive them hard but always treated them right.
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That makes sense. But isn't this a single dizzy car?
Maybe I'm mistaken. I am considering a period restoration and that's why I wanted to keep the original motor. Btw this thing is a champ. Just did a 300 mile haul moving the car to my new house and it drive like a dream. Could use a ac recharge though
Maybe I'm mistaken. I am considering a period restoration and that's why I wanted to keep the original motor. Btw this thing is a champ. Just did a 300 mile haul moving the car to my new house and it drive like a dream. Could use a ac recharge though
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That makes sense. But isn't this a single dizzy car?
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Maybe I'm mistaken. I am considering a period restoration and that's why I wanted to keep the original motor. Btw this thing is a champ. Just did a 300 mile haul moving the car to my new house and it drive like a dream. Could use a ac recharge though
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Maybe I'm mistaken. I am considering a period restoration and that's why I wanted to keep the original motor. Btw this thing is a champ. Just did a 300 mile haul moving the car to my new house and it drive like a dream. Could use a ac recharge though
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to lower the front stock RX-3 springs, cut the springs one coil then 1/4-1/2 coil after until you find your ideal drop. then to prevent noise/friction noise, wrap the top and lower section of the spring with a fuel line. this is very time consuming since you have to install it after the first cut, drive around the neighborhood for the springs to settle and back on jack stands again.
For the leaf springs, you will need a custom u-bolts and I recommend making your own lowering blocks. The kit they sell at partshouse is useless IMHO as they are not designed for imports. You can source the custom u-bolts from a 4x4 shop or at least, they can refer you to another shop; in my case, their is a local shop that works on all types of vehicles including big rigs. For lowering blocks, make you own. Purchase several sizes of aluminum plates such as 1/4, 1/2, 1", 1.5" and 2" and cut it to the correct size. It not hard to do as I have done it many times.
Be sure to get a full tank of gas, start with the front springs then work on the leaf springs.
For the leaf springs, you will need a custom u-bolts and I recommend making your own lowering blocks. The kit they sell at partshouse is useless IMHO as they are not designed for imports. You can source the custom u-bolts from a 4x4 shop or at least, they can refer you to another shop; in my case, their is a local shop that works on all types of vehicles including big rigs. For lowering blocks, make you own. Purchase several sizes of aluminum plates such as 1/4, 1/2, 1", 1.5" and 2" and cut it to the correct size. It not hard to do as I have done it many times.
Be sure to get a full tank of gas, start with the front springs then work on the leaf springs.
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to lower the front stock RX-3 springs, cut the springs one coil then 1/4-1/2 coil after until you find your ideal drop. then to prevent noise/friction noise, wrap the top and lower section of the spring with a fuel line. this is very time consuming since you have to install it after the first cut, drive around the neighborhood for the springs to settle and back on jack stands again.
For the leaf springs, you will need a custom u-bolts and I recommend making your own lowering blocks. The kit they sell at partshouse is useless IMHO as they are not designed for imports. You can source the custom u-bolts from a 4x4 shop or at least, they can refer you to another shop; in my case, their is a local shop that works on all types of vehicles including big rigs. For lowering blocks, make you own. Purchase several sizes of aluminum plates such as 1/4, 1/2, 1", 1.5" and 2" and cut it to the correct size. It not hard to do as I have done it many times.
Be sure to get a full tank of gas, start with the front springs then work on the leaf springs.
For the leaf springs, you will need a custom u-bolts and I recommend making your own lowering blocks. The kit they sell at partshouse is useless IMHO as they are not designed for imports. You can source the custom u-bolts from a 4x4 shop or at least, they can refer you to another shop; in my case, their is a local shop that works on all types of vehicles including big rigs. For lowering blocks, make you own. Purchase several sizes of aluminum plates such as 1/4, 1/2, 1", 1.5" and 2" and cut it to the correct size. It not hard to do as I have done it many times.
Be sure to get a full tank of gas, start with the front springs then work on the leaf springs.