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Talking Rotary Powered Drift Evo WTF Build?

Hey guys welcome to my new build, this is my third evo, it's an evo 1 gsr which will be stripped down and built into a true drift car,

I had a vote to go between the 13b or sr20, and the sr20 had originally won, but I keep seeing and meeting rotary people and I've always had love for the rotary, The sound the awesome power, the weight it's awesome!!!

so I'm still un decided though Kyle Mohan kinda is pushing me to go rotary :P Duh!

heres my interview at formula d new jersey and some in and out car runs
[youtube]iZA-rGA4ioA[/youtube]

anyways back to the build which I copy pasted from my other build but you guys get the point

the car was in an accident and the front end will need to be redone


first time seeing the car on pictures



when i first went to see it after trading my wrx for the evo 3 and the evo 1 gsr smashed



after sitting there since like january i went to pick it up finally




more to come dunno if i'll be able to post right away soo ya
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my 3 evos or Threevo lol :P, my green rwd converted summer evo 1, my black evo 3 daily/winter beater, and my evo drift car build



some damage and missing door that the guy had sold,... damn lol



engine should still be good so i can sell and make some money for the build

shock tower bent and frame rail too...





my friend has given me this car dodge colt for parts, was going to be a rally car build but he decided to scrap it so i took it for fixing the front end

front end of the colt undamaged , started stripping and getting engine ready to remove
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ok back to rwd evo build


gay chrysler logo on fender in place of indicators, now these will be replaced with indicators that i have poped them out for now

door bolted on, fender just put on not bolted

hood on but only so it doesnt rain into the engine, anyways i got something planned for the hood you guys will see duh





as for body will probably do something custom wide-body dunno yet we'll see

was planning on using a s13 front subframe but there are rules in my local drift competition that i plan on competing in once my car is finished basically it says no changing subframes must use stock mounting points so that puts a big X on my s13 front and it says ethier stock subframe which wont work or tube frame, soooo with that said i'll have to make a tube frame for the stock subframe or mod the stock subframe to work and try and pass the inspection, also have some rules for the transmission tunnel but i should be ok, heres the rulebook

8.3.1 Basic Chassis Design
The vehicle chassis, frame and / or uni-body must remain unmodified between

the vertical planes created by the original forward most and rearwardmost suspension mounting points unless otherwise specified in these rules.Uni-body or chassis may be seam welded.


8.3.3 Modifications of the stock, OEM firewall and transmission tunnel are allowed as follows:
Version 2.2 April 25th 2012
DRIFT MANIA CANADIAN CHAMPIONSHIP 2012 Rules and Regulations
 Dimension A: Tunnel Width May be no wider than 18 Inches
 Dimension B: Minimum dimension of 10 inches between the bottom of
the windshield and the top of the transmission tunnel.
 Dimension C: Modifications of the driveshaft tunnels behind the transmission tunnel taper vertical plane should not exceed an overall
width of 10 inches.
 Dimension D: Modifications to driveshaft tunnels behind the
transmission tunnel taper vertical plane should not exceed an overall
width of 10 inches.
 Taper Length: (from the firewall to the end of the transmission tunnel
into the beginning of the driveshaft hump) may be no longer than 36
inches.
 No part of the engine casing may cross the vertical plane of the original
firewall into the transmission tunnel.
 No other modifications may be made to the vehicle chassis, frame, or
uni-body unless otherwise specified in these rules.
 Any holes in the firewall must be of the minimum size for the passage
of controls and wires, and must be completely sealed to prevent the passage of fluids or flames from the engine compartment to the cockpit.

8.3.4 Front cross member and/or front or rear sub-frame
The cross-members and the sub-frame front and back may be of origin or tubular fabrication. The cross members must be located at the exact same position as the one of origin of the car and must not be displaced on the frame and cannot be cut and the “chassis” cannot be modified as stated in point 8.3.1. The arm suspension anchor points on the origin part or tubular fabrication may be re-located from its original position.


my friend kristian's evo rwd front subframe



so tube frame front like nilus



anyways lemme know what you think and support and if anybody got some tips and stuff lemme know and I will be making a video series vlog style build on the car for sure

so heres part one and part two
[youtube]R8d0pPFlL6c[/youtube]
[youtube]GQmzB9nLIi0[/youtube]

any advice is greatly appreciated

basically the evo 1 gsr weights 1,240 kg!! FD RX-7 weights 1,282 kg!!! lol soo imagine a stripped gutted evo with rx-7 engine lightweight would be looking for 300-350hp to start with I know thats do able easily to with fd engine but what about the fc engine?? can I run a fc engine with fd transmission? etc little things like that I need to know, would it be better just to start off with an fd engine btw will be buying a front clip so everything would be included

thanks guys

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This looks super interesting, can't wait to see it finished.
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Ahhh Mitsubishi Mirage... That brings back a TON of memories!!!

I loved my Mirage (first car).

Get some "S" emblems, from a Mirage, for those Chrysler holes in the fenders. That way it'll look more Japanese.
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Originally Posted by Qingdao
Ahhh Mitsubishi Mirage... That brings back a TON of memories!!!

I loved my Mirage (first car).

Get some "S" emblems, from a Mirage, for those Chrysler holes in the fenders. That way it'll look more Japanese.
but its not a mirage its an evo 1 lol

just been doing a list of some parts to find/buy so I know what i need to do/get eventually and I got this so far


- Driftworks 350MM Steering Wheel
- S14 Drift Hub Knuckles GeoMaster2
- R200 rear Differential with axles
. - 300zx N/A, s14, skyine? j30?
. - 1, 1.5, 2way Mechanical LSD?????? Any Suggestions
- s13 front clip
- 300zx master brake cylinder + Pedal
. - Rear Dual Caliper bracket
. - 2X 300zx 2Pot Calipers
. - Evo 8/9 Front Brembo with Madparts.net Bracket (Not sure yet)
- 300zx N/A rear Hub and Bearing (5 bolt rear )
- Front Hubs From Drop Engineering (5 bolt front )
- Find place to get a rollcage installed
- RHD Impreza Steering Rack + Column + Steering Quickener if not fast enough
- SR20det + wiring + ecu
- New Clutch Kit
- Custom Driveshaft from The Driveshaft Shop
- Hoping for space for V-Mount
. - Rad
. - Intercooler

my major ??? right now is what diff case / axles I should get and what lsd should I put inside,

I can get some 240sx parts cheap as my friend found 4 240sx babies in the scrap yard so I'm asking if i should get the rear diff axles and driveshaft


so somebody tell me if i should get the driveshaft, axles and diff

axles and diff is easy to understand why, but driveshaft would be to measure and cut to proper length and send to the driveshaft shop to get one custom made that is the proper length but does a ka24 driveshaft fit in a sr20 transmission???

so if i get a diff from the scrap 240 how do i know it's a r200 cuz thats what I want other wise i'll go get one from a 300zx n/a or skyline at my local jdm shops and then choose the right lsd to go in eventually, and if they are all r200s i'll get all 4 lol for spare you know

me and a hot nos girl at dmcc round 4 last saturday son!


started with eggs benedict and coffee
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and heres us doing the 3hour drive to go

brought a spare steering wheel lol scaring the **** outta people lol my little bro btw

and parked at the show & shine with my friend's gc wagon spitfire edition :P




and a small video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ-9SAQ4xdQ lol can't wait saturday Open Slide!!! for you local people of you guys wanting to make a nice weekend come on down!!! Message me if you wanna meet we can talk and watch drift


ok well talk to you guys later also if you got suggestions for parts to put on etc lemme know as i'm kinda in a writer's parts blockage lol,

Part 3 of build
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka-Zr9eJVaY
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today i brought in the evo going to be stripping her soon



colt door on :P


more soon

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Well I'm looking to buy a house here to one year and I found a couple of cheap nice ones, so if i buy a house I'll just take out an extra 10000-15000$ and complete the car a whole lot faster than just sourcing parts slowly but if not it will be done, i'm not letting this go, working slowly and should be pretty wild once done

for now here the video of the open slide from last saturday :P, was a wild event 10000$ winner American Mike Pollard in his 240sx s13 hb flipup, he was on fire all day, I actually talked with him on facebook a couple of days before and told me to bring real grippy tires cuz the track was concreate and not asphalt :P, looked to pay off he was the fastest all day :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4KAFA75xxQ some photos i took with instagram




some professional photos lol i'm the dude filming at the top hahaha


again me on top with the black t-shirt lol, not even filming but reflecting, this is what i'll be doing next year hopefully


and whats a drift event with me not taking pictures with some babes :P no nos chicks sooo hype energy girls? lol Sporting the new haircut!!!!! lol


and a preview to my friend's s13 video hope all the footage comes out good

thanks

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Originally Posted by poirier4
but its not a mirage its an evo 1 lol

just been doing a list of some parts to find/buy so I know what i need to do/get eventually and I got this so far


- Driftworks 350MM Steering Wheel
- S14 Drift Hub Knuckles GeoMaster2
- R200 rear Differential with axles
. - 300zx N/A, s14, skyine? j30?
. - 1, 1.5, 2way Mechanical LSD?????? Any Suggestions
- s13 front clip
- 300zx master brake cylinder + Pedal
. - Rear Dual Caliper bracket
. - 2X 300zx 2Pot Calipers
. - Evo 8/9 Front Brembo with Madparts.net Bracket (Not sure yet)
- 300zx N/A rear Hub and Bearing (5 bolt rear )
- Front Hubs From Drop Engineering (5 bolt front )
- Find place to get a rollcage installed
- RHD Impreza Steering Rack + Column + Steering Quickener if not fast enough
- SR20det + wiring + ecu
- New Clutch Kit
- Custom Driveshaft from The Driveshaft Shop
- Hoping for space for V-Mount
. - Rad
. - Intercooler

my major ??? right now is what diff case / axles I should get and what lsd should I put inside,

I can get some 240sx parts cheap as my friend found 4 240sx babies in the scrap yard so I'm asking if i should get the rear diff axles and driveshaft


so somebody tell me if i should get the driveshaft, axles and diff

axles and diff is easy to understand why, but driveshaft would be to measure and cut to proper length and send to the driveshaft shop to get one custom made that is the proper length but does a ka24 driveshaft fit in a sr20 transmission???

so if i get a diff from the scrap 240 how do i know it's a r200 cuz thats what I want other wise i'll go get one from a 300zx n/a or skyline at my local jdm shops and then choose the right lsd to go in eventually, and if they are all r200s i'll get all 4 lol for spare you know
Ok so a few things come to mind to answer some questions you have. I'm not a nissan expert by any means. I came from muscle cars to FD's, but I just got done helping my buddy build and blow up a 500hp kouki lol.

Go ahead and get a j30 diff. Its by far the strongest and easiest alternative when looking at what is listed. Other than that I'd say 03-04 Cobra 8.8" chunk. For Axles talk to DriveShaftShop. They're well known for making custom axles for many off road and on road toys and they're very strong axles. As far as a KA24 DS going into a sr20 tranny, no it wont work, but I dont even see why it would be an option because you're changing the diff and the length of the neck on the Diff is most certainly going to be off and the fact that these nissan/rotary/whatever motor you choose is going to go in an Evo so the length is most definitely going to be wrong lol. For a Nissan motor the z32 transmission is a common swap from what I can tell because they're cheap and strong as **** so you can find bellhousing adapters for SR, KA, and RB engines. If you choose to go rotary I suggest you look up David Hayes or one of the few people who have manage to throw a T56 in their cars because they're damn near bullet proof.

For braking you're on a good track. The Evo VIII, IX brakes would be a hell of an upgrade on the front and the 300zx rears would be ok. It would be a bit of a custom job to get the ebrake to work, but i'm guessing at this point you dont really care lol.

The biggest thing I'd suggest is figure out which route you're taking before you dive into the drivetrain too far. You dont wanna drop 5k into a SR build and then decide you wanna go RB, then decide you wanna go rotary, and when all else fails you just throw a LSx in there to get the job done. That would be a lot of time and money wasted.
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Ok so a few things come to mind to answer some questions you have. I'm not a nissan expert by any means. I came from muscle cars to FD's, but I just got done helping my buddy build and blow up a 500hp kouki lol.

Go ahead and get a j30 diff. Its by far the strongest and easiest alternative when looking at what is listed. Other than that I'd say 03-04 Cobra 8.8" chunk. For Axles talk to DriveShaftShop. They're well known for making custom axles for many off road and on road toys and they're very strong axles. As far as a KA24 DS going into a sr20 tranny, no it wont work, but I dont even see why it would be an option because you're changing the diff and the length of the neck on the Diff is most certainly going to be off and the fact that these nissan/rotary/whatever motor you choose is going to go in an Evo so the length is most definitely going to be wrong lol. For a Nissan motor the z32 transmission is a common swap from what I can tell because they're cheap and strong as **** so you can find bellhousing adapters for SR, KA, and RB engines. If you choose to go rotary I suggest you look up David Hayes or one of the few people who have manage to throw a T56 in their cars because they're damn near bullet proof.

For braking you're on a good track. The Evo VIII, IX brakes would be a hell of an upgrade on the front and the 300zx rears would be ok. It would be a bit of a custom job to get the ebrake to work, but i'm guessing at this point you dont really care lol.

The biggest thing I'd suggest is figure out which route you're taking before you dive into the drivetrain too far. You dont wanna drop 5k into a SR build and then decide you wanna go RB, then decide you wanna go rotary, and when all else fails you just throw a LSx in there to get the job done. That would be a lot of time and money wasted.
OMG I TIP MY HAT TO YOU :P

yeah custom hydrolic handbrake with a twin hydrolic setup meaning the ebrake has two master cylinders, when i put the handbrake, one line locks up the rear calipers and the other pushes the slave cylinder on the clutch so i can pull my handbrake without pushing the cluch little drifter baller status there :P,

only reason i was wondering about the drive shaft is once the sr engine would be in the bay i just stick in the yoke into the transmission, and bolt up the other yoke on the rear diff, measure the length call the driveshaft shop (cuz ya i had them in mind) make custom drive shaft

As for rear axles I'm most probably going to need longer axles since Nilus a guy in russia doing the same thing as me fitted a r200 rear diff and the axles were too short and had to use axles from a different nissan car to fit, i'm going to see if the 300zx n/a axles will be long enough because a 300zx is wider than a 240sx,.. I think im guessing here,

yes front brakes will probably be 4pot brembo evo 8-9 and rear 300zx duel 2pot should have enough braking power, considering this car stock has two pot front from a eclipse and 1pot rear from colt/mirage and brakes already good, can't imagine how much braking power with big brakes and gutted car

as for swapping a v8 or rb, it has come into my mind but the weight difference will be too much on the nose, and the rules wont allow me to move the engine further back than the stock firewall so it's going to be between 4banger or rotary so far im leaning sr just because its cheaper to build, get etc

plus a sr with 400hp is going to be hella fast and at those power levels very reliable, in this shell, i've had some people on my forum who have gutted there cars, still in awd mode with cage weight under 1000kg

for me the car will be about balance not just power, i want the car to be real competitive lol they wont know what hit them :P

I can just imagine the first time I bring it to the track hahaha awd trying to..... :O WTH!!!!!! OMG!!!! HOLY MOTHER OF<>>>>>> lol

aight just took engine out video coming up soon and imma take a nap before work :P ciao

Shawn
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my friend's s13 last night good times check the video down below


WE KILLED DOMO!!!! lol :P funny stuff

and me really selling it to the crowd lol


this guy came running when we went back into the pits he's like can i ride im like sure bro 20$:P lol check this guy's face priceless XD


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Originally Posted by poirier4
OMG I TIP MY HAT TO YOU :P

yeah custom hydrolic handbrake with a twin hydrolic setup meaning the ebrake has two master cylinders, when i put the handbrake, one line locks up the rear calipers and the other pushes the slave cylinder on the clutch so i can pull my handbrake without pushing the cluch little drifter baller status there :P,

only reason i was wondering about the drive shaft is once the sr engine would be in the bay i just stick in the yoke into the transmission, and bolt up the other yoke on the rear diff, measure the length call the driveshaft shop (cuz ya i had them in mind) make custom drive shaft

As for rear axles I'm most probably going to need longer axles since Nilus a guy in russia doing the same thing as me fitted a r200 rear diff and the axles were too short and had to use axles from a different nissan car to fit, i'm going to see if the 300zx n/a axles will be long enough because a 300zx is wider than a 240sx,.. I think im guessing here,

yes front brakes will probably be 4pot brembo evo 8-9 and rear 300zx duel 2pot should have enough braking power, considering this car stock has two pot front from a eclipse and 1pot rear from colt/mirage and brakes already good, can't imagine how much braking power with big brakes and gutted car

as for swapping a v8 or rb, it has come into my mind but the weight difference will be too much on the nose, and the rules wont allow me to move the engine further back than the stock firewall so it's going to be between 4banger or rotary so far im leaning sr just because its cheaper to build, get etc

plus a sr with 400hp is going to be hella fast and at those power levels very reliable, in this shell, i've had some people on my forum who have gutted there cars, still in awd mode with cage weight under 1000kg

for me the car will be about balance not just power, i want the car to be real competitive lol they wont know what hit them :P

I can just imagine the first time I bring it to the track hahaha awd trying to..... :O WTH!!!!!! OMG!!!! HOLY MOTHER OF<>>>>>> lol

aight just took engine out video coming up soon and imma take a nap before work :P ciao

Shawn
The 300zx is quite a bit wider than a 240 so they might work, but they will be the weak point in your setup. The N/A z32 axles aren't known to be that tough. As far as rotary or 4 banger weighing less than a v8 or rb you might be suprised. Its be talked about many many times. Truth is an all aluminum LSx with all its accessory drives and transmission weighs about 80lbs more than a full accessory 13b with transmission. And majority of that weight comes from the t56 tranny itself so guess what, still centered. The rb however would be a lot heavier.
Take a look at this. http://ls1tech.com/forums/conversion...ce-inside.html
KA24 vs LS1 S13. Dry tank to dry tank before and after the swap. LS1 weighs about 25lbs more. And you guessed it, because of that beast transmission.

Another Comparison I saw by googling full dressed weights of SR20 vs LS1 with trannys,

SR20 - Manual - 457.6 lbs w/ Pressure plate and Fly Wheel

LS1 - Manual - 497.2 lbs (226 kg) (Pressure Plate and Fly Wheel)

So dont go throwing V8's under the bus for being "Heavy" Thats the difference between all aluminum and iron blocks.
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soo been thinking how im going t attack the damaged front

the plan, minus the v8 of course lol only sr20 or 13b



also BIG NEWS!!!!!!!!!

i'm probably going to Round 7 Irwindale CALI BB!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so if any of you guys going maybe we could meet and chill over a pint ya? :P

awesome

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Lol just sell it all and buy my FD.
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i'd like that but i love evo's so only way I'll own a rotary for now would be to put one in this drift car

took out the subframe and steering rack and made a drift e-button for my green evo

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Dude go rotary you would love every minute of it, along as your engine builder. Is good the rest is your job , just drive lol
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Hey guys soo thank god, :P i got the colt subframe to fit on the evo with the colt steering rack on just so i can turn the wheels together for now,

colt subframe was 100% not bent and bolted on so drift evo subframe locations not bend which is a good thing anyways now a roller again brought it outside and bolted the hood back on, slapped the fenders colt bumper for fun and also so my driveway wouldnt look as much like a scrap yard :P

anyways

to think the front is off and the car is already light :P, i can't wait to gut the rear end and doors etc should be pretty light car once done :P




and part 6 of build is up XD Enjoy

more to come soon, will start stripping soon

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dang. this looks interesting. cant wait for more progress!
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your obviously going rotary powered or you wouldn't be here. ;c)

i love evo's didn't know u could get get anything under a 4 in states
i remember my first ride in my buddys gsr will never forget..

awesome build ill be watching like a hawk

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Originally Posted by blwfly
your obviously going rotary powered or you wouldn't be here. ;c)

i love evo's didn't know u could get get anything under a 4 in states
i remember my first ride in my buddys gsr will never forget..

awesome build ill be watching like a hawk

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thanks man, i honestly couldnt tell you what engine to take, if i had to follow my heart it would be rotary, if i had to follow my brain it would be sr20

and i live in canada eh lol, in canada theres a whole bunch of evo 1 2 3 :P if your thinking of projets they are awesome cars

kiwi eh :P madmike's my hero


i worked on the car a bit today started stripping the interior so filmed a bit making the video will be out soon

but it's friday soooooooooooo


everyone have a good weekend :P

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All right video of stripping interior is up, found 4.34$ to date in the car :P like a BOSS!!!!


well that's it for me on this friday, time to work and then fun time this weekend!!!!

Shawn
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just watched the vids funny as **** your sayings are crack up. its gonna be one Frankenstein evo thats for sure. maybe you need to go drive someones 13brew "if u haven't already" and get feel of the rotary im sure it would get u set on it.
love it keep up the good work.

ps mad mike is the **** ;c)

cheers
kiwi


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