Proposed CA Bill Threatens Pre-1976 Cars
Proposed CA Bill Threatens Pre-1976 Cars
We old fart need to contact our state senator and oppose this bill.
http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/blog...pre-1976-cars/
http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/blog...pre-1976-cars/
This kind of **** has more to do with getting revenue than the enviorment, besides how much greenhouse gasses are thay making while their smoking dope when they writing this stuff up---MadChad.
Good Afternoon Dean Florez,
Where are you getting your information from regarding smog pollution of 1976 and below automobiles from ? I for one do not own one, but this proposed bill has no real legitimacy in terms of significant pollution created by pre-1976 automobiles. Can you please provide me of statistical data on what 'moved' you to propose this bill? I'll even consider empirical date as well.
If anything, this bill becomes counterproductive on other important and obvious matters that should be focused on. They include, but no limited to subprime crises, poverty, and unemployment. Of course, the environment truly fits the slate of important issues, but are you serious about this pre-1976 smog bill? Ask yourself: how many of these pre-1976 automobiles do you even personally see on a day-to-day basis? I for one don't see one everyday, let alone once a week.
Please, spare us all of this bill which uses classic car owners as scapegoat for 'improved air quality' and focus your energy on matters that really do count for the society as a whole, and not necessarily for a 'personal agenda;' reducing the continual subprime hits by initiating consumer mortgage education and protection from devious mortgage lenders, a graduated progressive tax system, and crime and poverty.
And as stated again before, please don't propose a bill that really won't effect nor benefit the California society as a whole. Please focus on more challenging areas of need. I can't stand to see anymore of my tax dollars going into a proposed bill that won't make any significant change to society, and in reality, leaves California in its same state with no real [and even marginal] improvements.
* California's current emissions testing exemption recognizes the minimal impact of pre-1976 motor vehicles on emissions and air quality.
* Pre-1976 vehicles constitute a small and shrinking portion of the overall vehicle population in California and are a poor source from which to look for further emissions reductions.
* Legislators and regulators are again feeling the heat from a failed effort to meet air quality goals and are looking for a convenient scapegoat. The old car hobby should not carry the burden of their mistakes, as it has in previous amendments to the old car exemption!
* Pre-1976 antique and classic vehicles are overwhelmingly well-maintained.
Please focus on poverty and crime reduction, continual improvements on the education system, and stringent subprime lender policing. I know these are extremely difficult areas, but we have the benefit of the doubt that you'll take on these much more challenging areas in dire need of attention. Using pre-1976 owners to reduce smog pollution is too easy.
Have a great and wonderful day, Dean Florez.
Regards,
Raymond Dipasupil
Loyola Marymount University
Where are you getting your information from regarding smog pollution of 1976 and below automobiles from ? I for one do not own one, but this proposed bill has no real legitimacy in terms of significant pollution created by pre-1976 automobiles. Can you please provide me of statistical data on what 'moved' you to propose this bill? I'll even consider empirical date as well.
If anything, this bill becomes counterproductive on other important and obvious matters that should be focused on. They include, but no limited to subprime crises, poverty, and unemployment. Of course, the environment truly fits the slate of important issues, but are you serious about this pre-1976 smog bill? Ask yourself: how many of these pre-1976 automobiles do you even personally see on a day-to-day basis? I for one don't see one everyday, let alone once a week.
Please, spare us all of this bill which uses classic car owners as scapegoat for 'improved air quality' and focus your energy on matters that really do count for the society as a whole, and not necessarily for a 'personal agenda;' reducing the continual subprime hits by initiating consumer mortgage education and protection from devious mortgage lenders, a graduated progressive tax system, and crime and poverty.
And as stated again before, please don't propose a bill that really won't effect nor benefit the California society as a whole. Please focus on more challenging areas of need. I can't stand to see anymore of my tax dollars going into a proposed bill that won't make any significant change to society, and in reality, leaves California in its same state with no real [and even marginal] improvements.
* California's current emissions testing exemption recognizes the minimal impact of pre-1976 motor vehicles on emissions and air quality.
* Pre-1976 vehicles constitute a small and shrinking portion of the overall vehicle population in California and are a poor source from which to look for further emissions reductions.
* Legislators and regulators are again feeling the heat from a failed effort to meet air quality goals and are looking for a convenient scapegoat. The old car hobby should not carry the burden of their mistakes, as it has in previous amendments to the old car exemption!
* Pre-1976 antique and classic vehicles are overwhelmingly well-maintained.
Please focus on poverty and crime reduction, continual improvements on the education system, and stringent subprime lender policing. I know these are extremely difficult areas, but we have the benefit of the doubt that you'll take on these much more challenging areas in dire need of attention. Using pre-1976 owners to reduce smog pollution is too easy.
Have a great and wonderful day, Dean Florez.
Regards,
Raymond Dipasupil
Loyola Marymount University
+2...
there's another way around it. Our cars qualify for "historical vehicles" which can be driven only on carshows or meets. But who is checking/ LAPD gives me thumbs up when they see me rolling in a RX-3. You just need the right code. "KMA or KJC" baby!!!
there's another way around it. Our cars qualify for "historical vehicles" which can be driven only on carshows or meets. But who is checking/ LAPD gives me thumbs up when they see me rolling in a RX-3. You just need the right code. "KMA or KJC" baby!!!
I used to get away with murder running one of the LAFD helmet stickers on the back of my FC (was it 1412 or something?) ...plus the wacky way works (KMA plate)...or just know some of the local LAPD who run rotaries! (Officer Macias (I think I spelled it right), Victor from the old CGR days, he's around the N.E. Pulled me over for the **** of it once...gun pulled and everything! So ******' funny!
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http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/07-08/bil...ntroduced.html
Here's a snippet. Looks like they also want to use the remote sensing aka freeway onramp sniffer to get us pre-76 guys.
44011. (a) All motor vehicles powered by internal combustion
engines that are registered within an area designated for program
coverage shall be required biennially to obtain a certificate of
compliance or noncompliance, except for the following:
(1) All motorcycles until the department, pursuant to Section
44012, implements test procedures applicable to motorcycles.
(2) All motor vehicles that have been issued a certificate of
compliance or noncompliance or a repair cost waiver upon a change of
ownership or initial registration in this state during the preceding
six months.
(3) (A) All motor vehicles manufactured
prior to the 1976 model-year.
(B) The exemption in this paragraph does not apply to a motor
vehicle registered by a new owner at an address within the boundaries
of the San Joaquin Valley Unified Air Pollution Control District on
or after January 1, 2009.
(4) (A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), all motor vehicles
four or less model-years old.
(B) Beginning January 1, 2005, all motor vehicles six or less
model-years old, unless the state board finds that providing an
exception for these vehicles will prohibit the state from meeting the
requirements of Section 176(c) of the federal Clean Air Act (42
U.S.C. Sec. 7401 et seq.) or the state's commitments with respect to
the state implementation plan required by the federal Clean Air Act.
(C) All motor vehicles excepted by this paragraph shall be subject
to testing and to certification requirements as determined by the
department, if any of the following apply:
(i) The department determines through remote sensing activities or
other means that there is a substantial probability that the vehicle
has a tampered emission control system or would fail for other cause
a smog check test as specified in Section 44012. (ii) The vehicle was previously registered outside this state and
is undergoing initial registration in this state.
(iii) The vehicle is being registered as a specially constructed
vehicle.
(iv) The vehicle has been selected for testing pursuant to Section
44014.7 or any other provision of this chapter authorizing
out-of-cycle testing.
Here's a snippet. Looks like they also want to use the remote sensing aka freeway onramp sniffer to get us pre-76 guys.
44011. (a) All motor vehicles powered by internal combustion
engines that are registered within an area designated for program
coverage shall be required biennially to obtain a certificate of
compliance or noncompliance, except for the following:
(1) All motorcycles until the department, pursuant to Section
44012, implements test procedures applicable to motorcycles.
(2) All motor vehicles that have been issued a certificate of
compliance or noncompliance or a repair cost waiver upon a change of
ownership or initial registration in this state during the preceding
six months.
(3) (A) All motor vehicles manufactured
prior to the 1976 model-year.
(B) The exemption in this paragraph does not apply to a motor
vehicle registered by a new owner at an address within the boundaries
of the San Joaquin Valley Unified Air Pollution Control District on
or after January 1, 2009.
(4) (A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), all motor vehicles
four or less model-years old.
(B) Beginning January 1, 2005, all motor vehicles six or less
model-years old, unless the state board finds that providing an
exception for these vehicles will prohibit the state from meeting the
requirements of Section 176(c) of the federal Clean Air Act (42
U.S.C. Sec. 7401 et seq.) or the state's commitments with respect to
the state implementation plan required by the federal Clean Air Act.
(C) All motor vehicles excepted by this paragraph shall be subject
to testing and to certification requirements as determined by the
department, if any of the following apply:
(i) The department determines through remote sensing activities or
other means that there is a substantial probability that the vehicle
has a tampered emission control system or would fail for other cause
a smog check test as specified in Section 44012. (ii) The vehicle was previously registered outside this state and
is undergoing initial registration in this state.
(iii) The vehicle is being registered as a specially constructed
vehicle.
(iv) The vehicle has been selected for testing pursuant to Section
44014.7 or any other provision of this chapter authorizing
out-of-cycle testing.
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