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11-25-10, 12:00 PM
#26
Can't we all just get along??? (except rx7roller02) I don't like that guy...
My experiences with Bob:
Nothing negative to say at all, has always treated me with kindness.
But. The extent of my business transactions are very small.
I have made a couple trips down to his shop in the past to help around, to see what I could learn.
Things were always & still are smoothe between us to this day.
My experience with Joe:
No business transactions, but I had the chance to chat with him down at Marc's shop. Joe is a stand up guy. The only reason I have not purchased anything from Joe is doesn't dabble in FD parts that I know of. BUT if he had something I wanted, you can bet your *** I'd pay him his asking price without cross referencing the Hell out of it because he is and always has been fair in his buisness dealings with my close friends, and that is something that I can't honestly say about Bob.
This is a simple business transaction that was horribly documented (I assume brcause it was for so little money) most people don't write bills of sale for lesser transactions.
THAT IS STUPID!!!
Get this **** in writing.
I write a bill of sale for anything I can't collect 100% for at time of delivery OR something large enough to have responsibility attached to it (a car is big enough to have to be towed/ trailered & needs a title)
Seems like your guys' business tactics need some work.
Nothing negative to say at all, has always treated me with kindness.
But. The extent of my business transactions are very small.
I have made a couple trips down to his shop in the past to help around, to see what I could learn.
Things were always & still are smoothe between us to this day.
My experience with Joe:
No business transactions, but I had the chance to chat with him down at Marc's shop. Joe is a stand up guy. The only reason I have not purchased anything from Joe is doesn't dabble in FD parts that I know of. BUT if he had something I wanted, you can bet your *** I'd pay him his asking price without cross referencing the Hell out of it because he is and always has been fair in his buisness dealings with my close friends, and that is something that I can't honestly say about Bob.
This is a simple business transaction that was horribly documented (I assume brcause it was for so little money) most people don't write bills of sale for lesser transactions.
THAT IS STUPID!!!
Get this **** in writing.
I write a bill of sale for anything I can't collect 100% for at time of delivery OR something large enough to have responsibility attached to it (a car is big enough to have to be towed/ trailered & needs a title)
Seems like your guys' business tactics need some work.
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11-25-10, 12:12 PM
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Joe,
It is a surprise to me that you would be banned. I have no desire to see you banned. A ban does not really resolve the issue.
Marty offers positive options.
I ask for other clear thinking minds to help resolve this, in a positive way for all. Personal attacks on ones character do little if anything to constructively resolve this.
Here is another presentation of the original issue:
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showthread.php?t=930943
It is a surprise to me that you would be banned. I have no desire to see you banned. A ban does not really resolve the issue.
Marty offers positive options.
I ask for other clear thinking minds to help resolve this, in a positive way for all. Personal attacks on ones character do little if anything to constructively resolve this.
Here is another presentation of the original issue:
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showthread.php?t=930943
11-25-10, 01:51 PM
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look, lets all get a few things clear here and now....
First off, my comment in this thread had a specific meaning. it was NOT to be arrogant. This whole time I have been in contact with Joe, and that conversation did not match up with what he has said in here. THAT is why I said we arent finished--because we arent. If any of you feel the need to read something more into that, then thats your own problem, not mine. The other mod that had an issue with him that has been resolved has nothing to do with the issue I have with him--and so that is why Joe claims "every other mod says this is done except for roller". By the way, thats also not true.....not even close. I have yet to have a single moderator from any section on this forum tell me that Joe should be left alone and not be made to refund this money--to the contrary, I have seen several who are saying that a refund is in order. So, I would really like to know, Joe, where you got that story from.
Second, not a single one of you here have the whole story, so do us all a favor and dont bother trying to pass judgment off on me. As is my responsibility in ANY issue where a buyer reports an issue with a seller, I personally asked Joe to provide proof of his claims. MULTIPLE TIMES NOW, I have asked for this. NOT ONCE did he ever do so. He has dragged Bob through the mud on this one big-time.....called him out as a "whiny bitch" that "talks **** on other people", but at the same time, when I asked him why he never reported feedback on his first transaction with Bob, he said "I'm not a whiny bitch like Bob, so I dont run to the mods. Instead, I talked **** about him to everyone on the forum that I know." Talk about the pot calling the kettle black....
Joe recently was asked by a different moderator not to post any more FS threads due to an unrelated issue. He agreed not to, and then he went and did it anyways. I do not know Bob or Joe, and the only things I have to go on when it comes to the decisions I have to make are the way that they both conduct themselves with me and the proof they provide to back up their claims. Bob sent me PMs showing what Joe promised to do. Joe even told me himself that he did promise to pay Bob back....but then decided not to. Joe has provided me with.....nothing else.
To top it all off, one of your very own locals on this forum was physically present when this car transaction took place, and that person has spoken up as well--he said he feels that Joe owes Bob his money back. And Joe, this happens to be a moderator, so again, I would really like to know why you think that "only roller has it out for me". Thats simply a load of crap.
All of you, know this--this isnt a democracy. Someone talked about responsibility---my responsibility here is to take action to protect our members so that they can buy and sell safely. I was told of one transaction where $500 was paid, a deal was made for Joe to do work on the car that he never did, and then agreed to refund Bob his $500. The fact that Joe has done all that he has does not change the fact that this deal still needs to be resolved! PERIOD. I was told of an earlier transaction, but cannot get Joe to provide me with one shred of proof to back it up. Not a PM, not an email, not an old thread, nothing.....and I am STILL waiting, Joe....
As for banning him, why do you think I have gone to the lengths that I have gone through? If it were most others, he would have been banned the moment he refused to refund the money--THIS WAS DAYS AGO. And yet he is still here, and I am still in comms with him, and still trying to get to the botton of everything, and still trying to find a solution. For those of you that have publicly criticized me, you can kindly shut the hell up already because you dont have the first clue what I have even done here. You saw six words that I posted and immediately sprung to the "be-a-*****" position. Well, here's what you get for that--in the TOS here, it states that NO attacks on moderating staff will be tolerated. I work my *** OFF for this place, and if Joe has been honest, then he should have told you all how I was 100% polite to him and he even found himself apologizing to me for being a ***** to me when it was uncalled for. And EVEN THEN HE STILL DIDNT GET A BAN.
Each of you, GET THIS CLEAR RIGHT NOW--I dont want to ban Joe at all. But the forum rules require--REQUIRE--that this issue be resolved. Joe was told he couldnt sell here anymore if he wasnt willing to keep his promise....and his reply was, "oh well, I'll just sell oin craigslist from now on then". NOW, THINK ABOUT THIS--like I said, I dont know Joe personally....and what I have to go on is what he has shown me. THAT is what he has shown me. And you guys talk to ME about arrogance?? give it a friggin rest already.
Here's the bottom line--I dont give a damn if you like me or not. I am not here to be everyone's friend. I am here to do a job--a job that I dont get paid for, a job that ACTUALLY COSTS ME HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS A YEAR to keep doing, and countless hours of time spent researching and digging to get to the facts. Whether you like it or not, this puts me in a position where I AM REQUIRED TO MAKE A DECISION. One of our members took $500 from another based on promises that he didnt keep. That member then promised to refund that money, and again failed to keep the promise. IT IS NOT MY SAY-SO that dictates that a decision must be made. But still, I have to make it. I have bent over backwards to try to get Joe to provide me with something--ANYTHING--to prove his case. It isnt my fault that he has nothing.
What really sucks here also is this--Joe is one of your own. But another of your own, Bob, deserves to get money back that Joe received in good faith. Now, all of you that speak up for Joe, think hard about this---if Joe was the one that was out the $500, you know DAMN WELL that you would be shouting for the mods to handle this. It would be "unfair" that someone who has done so much for this community would not get that help from a mod. So I ask you--just because Joe has done all that he has done, how does that change Bob's right to get back what is his?
Joe, tell the truth--you know damn well that with your multiple violations of the TOS and the way you have treated me over the last couple days, you know I would have already banned you if I wanted to. BE HONEST. Post it up here, for these people to see. It is clear by now, or at least it should be, that my goal is NOT to ban you. But you DID promise to pay him back and then you admit to breaking that promise. BE HONEST.
Finally, some of you in this section have even been helped by me before. Its really pathetic when people want to talk about how biased I supposedly am, when their whole reason for talking **** about me is because they are biased towards Joe. I want one thing, and one thing only--for this issue to be resolved. If you guys really care about your community like youre sounding off to be, then you should want the same damn thing. ONe of you actually said to forgive and forget??? You've GOT to be kidding me!!! Where the hell do you get off talking like someone should get to keep money that they knew they werent entitled to keep, so much so that he himself promised to repay it??
Prometheus--allow me to help you out a little bit here. It is NOT your responsibility to tell a moderator how to do their job. You and everyone else here agreed to follow the terms of service here when you joined. Either follow them now, or seek life elsewhere.
"the spyder"--before I said one word to Joe, he was already cursing at other moderators without being provoked. So dont go giving me some crap about how I must have provoked him. He was seeing red before I said one word to him, and thats his fault, not mine. We are each responsible for our own actions, and for you to claim that I am at fault for Joe's actions, well, you need to grow up a bit there, son. I take responsibility for my actions, wont you please do the same. If you really had seen the convos between us, you would have seen Joe talking about the week from hell that he had, that had nothing to do with either me or this forum. So once again, spare me the bull.
First off, my comment in this thread had a specific meaning. it was NOT to be arrogant. This whole time I have been in contact with Joe, and that conversation did not match up with what he has said in here. THAT is why I said we arent finished--because we arent. If any of you feel the need to read something more into that, then thats your own problem, not mine. The other mod that had an issue with him that has been resolved has nothing to do with the issue I have with him--and so that is why Joe claims "every other mod says this is done except for roller". By the way, thats also not true.....not even close. I have yet to have a single moderator from any section on this forum tell me that Joe should be left alone and not be made to refund this money--to the contrary, I have seen several who are saying that a refund is in order. So, I would really like to know, Joe, where you got that story from.
Second, not a single one of you here have the whole story, so do us all a favor and dont bother trying to pass judgment off on me. As is my responsibility in ANY issue where a buyer reports an issue with a seller, I personally asked Joe to provide proof of his claims. MULTIPLE TIMES NOW, I have asked for this. NOT ONCE did he ever do so. He has dragged Bob through the mud on this one big-time.....called him out as a "whiny bitch" that "talks **** on other people", but at the same time, when I asked him why he never reported feedback on his first transaction with Bob, he said "I'm not a whiny bitch like Bob, so I dont run to the mods. Instead, I talked **** about him to everyone on the forum that I know." Talk about the pot calling the kettle black....
Joe recently was asked by a different moderator not to post any more FS threads due to an unrelated issue. He agreed not to, and then he went and did it anyways. I do not know Bob or Joe, and the only things I have to go on when it comes to the decisions I have to make are the way that they both conduct themselves with me and the proof they provide to back up their claims. Bob sent me PMs showing what Joe promised to do. Joe even told me himself that he did promise to pay Bob back....but then decided not to. Joe has provided me with.....nothing else.
To top it all off, one of your very own locals on this forum was physically present when this car transaction took place, and that person has spoken up as well--he said he feels that Joe owes Bob his money back. And Joe, this happens to be a moderator, so again, I would really like to know why you think that "only roller has it out for me". Thats simply a load of crap.
All of you, know this--this isnt a democracy. Someone talked about responsibility---my responsibility here is to take action to protect our members so that they can buy and sell safely. I was told of one transaction where $500 was paid, a deal was made for Joe to do work on the car that he never did, and then agreed to refund Bob his $500. The fact that Joe has done all that he has does not change the fact that this deal still needs to be resolved! PERIOD. I was told of an earlier transaction, but cannot get Joe to provide me with one shred of proof to back it up. Not a PM, not an email, not an old thread, nothing.....and I am STILL waiting, Joe....
As for banning him, why do you think I have gone to the lengths that I have gone through? If it were most others, he would have been banned the moment he refused to refund the money--THIS WAS DAYS AGO. And yet he is still here, and I am still in comms with him, and still trying to get to the botton of everything, and still trying to find a solution. For those of you that have publicly criticized me, you can kindly shut the hell up already because you dont have the first clue what I have even done here. You saw six words that I posted and immediately sprung to the "be-a-*****" position. Well, here's what you get for that--in the TOS here, it states that NO attacks on moderating staff will be tolerated. I work my *** OFF for this place, and if Joe has been honest, then he should have told you all how I was 100% polite to him and he even found himself apologizing to me for being a ***** to me when it was uncalled for. And EVEN THEN HE STILL DIDNT GET A BAN.
Each of you, GET THIS CLEAR RIGHT NOW--I dont want to ban Joe at all. But the forum rules require--REQUIRE--that this issue be resolved. Joe was told he couldnt sell here anymore if he wasnt willing to keep his promise....and his reply was, "oh well, I'll just sell oin craigslist from now on then". NOW, THINK ABOUT THIS--like I said, I dont know Joe personally....and what I have to go on is what he has shown me. THAT is what he has shown me. And you guys talk to ME about arrogance?? give it a friggin rest already.
Here's the bottom line--I dont give a damn if you like me or not. I am not here to be everyone's friend. I am here to do a job--a job that I dont get paid for, a job that ACTUALLY COSTS ME HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS A YEAR to keep doing, and countless hours of time spent researching and digging to get to the facts. Whether you like it or not, this puts me in a position where I AM REQUIRED TO MAKE A DECISION. One of our members took $500 from another based on promises that he didnt keep. That member then promised to refund that money, and again failed to keep the promise. IT IS NOT MY SAY-SO that dictates that a decision must be made. But still, I have to make it. I have bent over backwards to try to get Joe to provide me with something--ANYTHING--to prove his case. It isnt my fault that he has nothing.
What really sucks here also is this--Joe is one of your own. But another of your own, Bob, deserves to get money back that Joe received in good faith. Now, all of you that speak up for Joe, think hard about this---if Joe was the one that was out the $500, you know DAMN WELL that you would be shouting for the mods to handle this. It would be "unfair" that someone who has done so much for this community would not get that help from a mod. So I ask you--just because Joe has done all that he has done, how does that change Bob's right to get back what is his?
Joe, tell the truth--you know damn well that with your multiple violations of the TOS and the way you have treated me over the last couple days, you know I would have already banned you if I wanted to. BE HONEST. Post it up here, for these people to see. It is clear by now, or at least it should be, that my goal is NOT to ban you. But you DID promise to pay him back and then you admit to breaking that promise. BE HONEST.
Finally, some of you in this section have even been helped by me before. Its really pathetic when people want to talk about how biased I supposedly am, when their whole reason for talking **** about me is because they are biased towards Joe. I want one thing, and one thing only--for this issue to be resolved. If you guys really care about your community like youre sounding off to be, then you should want the same damn thing. ONe of you actually said to forgive and forget??? You've GOT to be kidding me!!! Where the hell do you get off talking like someone should get to keep money that they knew they werent entitled to keep, so much so that he himself promised to repay it??
Prometheus--allow me to help you out a little bit here. It is NOT your responsibility to tell a moderator how to do their job. You and everyone else here agreed to follow the terms of service here when you joined. Either follow them now, or seek life elsewhere.
"the spyder"--before I said one word to Joe, he was already cursing at other moderators without being provoked. So dont go giving me some crap about how I must have provoked him. He was seeing red before I said one word to him, and thats his fault, not mine. We are each responsible for our own actions, and for you to claim that I am at fault for Joe's actions, well, you need to grow up a bit there, son. I take responsibility for my actions, wont you please do the same. If you really had seen the convos between us, you would have seen Joe talking about the week from hell that he had, that had nothing to do with either me or this forum. So once again, spare me the bull.
11-25-10, 02:13 PM
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so you say all of this about getting people their money back and banning people for ripping off other then why am i still out 150 bucks and that ******* piece of **** "smokie" can still attempt to sell his garbage and not be banned? this is why i hate this forum, you never get help!
and dude its the ******* internet, grow up. seriously. and a ban on either party wouldnt be good for legal issues. say if bob takes joe to court or vise versa and one of them is banned then they will lose access to important information that can be on this site for them. this is really none of anybodys business and the forum should just let joe and bob solve it on their own OUTSIDE of the club rather than letting the "mods" try and resolve it. because you guys are just going to make it worse.
and dude its the ******* internet, grow up. seriously. and a ban on either party wouldnt be good for legal issues. say if bob takes joe to court or vise versa and one of them is banned then they will lose access to important information that can be on this site for them. this is really none of anybodys business and the forum should just let joe and bob solve it on their own OUTSIDE of the club rather than letting the "mods" try and resolve it. because you guys are just going to make it worse.
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11-25-10, 03:19 PM
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All i have to say to any of this is:
"Joe recently was asked by a different moderator not to post any more FS threads due to an unrelated issue. He agreed not to, and then he went and did it anyways. I do not know Bob or Joe, and the only things I have to go on when it comes to the decisions I have to make are the way that they both conduct themselves with me and the proof they provide to back up their claims. Bob sent me PMs showing what Joe promised to do. Joe even told me himself that he did promise to pay Bob back....but then decided not to. Joe has provided me with.....nothing else."
---I washed my hands of any dealings with bob after this transaction, "fool me once,bla bla" well i learned, and let go of working with him. In doing so, i deleted my pm's his phone number from my phone, threw away the letter he sent me asking me to do his house,ect... So again, if you cannot bring back old pm's no i have nothing but his story against mine.
And to the FS ****, WTF???? I was specifically told by MAR3 to STICK TO MY LOCAL SECTION, this by no means says i cannot post for sale ****. Its only out of respect to Robert (rw7) who is a good friend and warned me to stop and lay off for a bit that i am doing that. I have so much crap i dont need and i want gone right now, i would love to make a free stuff post but i am not..
""the spyder"--before I said one word to Joe, he was already cursing at other moderators without being provoked. So dont go giving me some crap about how I must have provoked him. He was seeing red before I said one word to him, and thats his fault, not mine. We are each responsible for our own actions, and for you to claim that I am at fault for Joe's actions, well, you need to grow up a bit there, son. I take responsibility for my actions, wont you please do the same. If you really had seen the convos between us, you would have seen Joe talking about the week from hell that he had, that had nothing to do with either me or this forum. So once again, spare me the bull."
----Due to a missunderstanding i posted (not profane, but defensive) things to mar3, and again as i stated in the first couple threads, i put my foot in my mouth and shoudnt have.. I sincerely apologized to him, and we have both let the matter go. You just on with a "and also" post that i responded to with no hostility towards you, but just annoyance towards the fact that it was even brought up here.. And he was informed off all conversations we had, from the first one, he knows all that i know, and all that we talked about.
I will say this one last time.. If this must go to court, then let it. I am assured that my counter suit for the previous deal (the whole reason i am treating this deal this way, aside from bobs demeanor and actions towards me) will land us even... And as i have said from the begning, i dont care about the money , i may not have it, but i dont care about it even when i do. Its about the rep and the cars. I love the cars and i am not a liar or a thief... And if i am it is no more than bob is.
To being banned. If this happens i am sad, i love this place and wish everyone the best (god why is this happening on turkey day, seems really ironic
) but if i loose my place here becuase of this that is what is... I am sad, i worked hard to maintain a good rep and be fair and kind to all those here who were fair and kind. But: "que sera, sera".
To all of this bob stuff..I am treating this member in the same manor i was treated, with the same respect and the same trust. I am a firm believer in Karma and i think that i am mearly putting out what i recieved this time. I understand i may be the one at fault,but the only fault i have made was telling him not to eat it and come get his car, but trying to continue to our friendship that should not have been. MY MISTAKE IS THE PROMISE I MADE TO PAY HIM BACK AND TRYING TO PAY HIM BACK.... I should have just let be, i have learned my lesson...
And here is the bottom line roller, if i am to be banned for a bad deal, i wish to take him with me (something i know most will be happy about), i have brought it up now many times about being taken by him and it seems not to matter, so if i am banned for taking him, i request he be banned for taking my...
HAPPY TURKEY DAY TO ALL!!!!!!
"Joe recently was asked by a different moderator not to post any more FS threads due to an unrelated issue. He agreed not to, and then he went and did it anyways. I do not know Bob or Joe, and the only things I have to go on when it comes to the decisions I have to make are the way that they both conduct themselves with me and the proof they provide to back up their claims. Bob sent me PMs showing what Joe promised to do. Joe even told me himself that he did promise to pay Bob back....but then decided not to. Joe has provided me with.....nothing else."
---I washed my hands of any dealings with bob after this transaction, "fool me once,bla bla" well i learned, and let go of working with him. In doing so, i deleted my pm's his phone number from my phone, threw away the letter he sent me asking me to do his house,ect... So again, if you cannot bring back old pm's no i have nothing but his story against mine.
And to the FS ****, WTF???? I was specifically told by MAR3 to STICK TO MY LOCAL SECTION, this by no means says i cannot post for sale ****. Its only out of respect to Robert (rw7) who is a good friend and warned me to stop and lay off for a bit that i am doing that. I have so much crap i dont need and i want gone right now, i would love to make a free stuff post but i am not..
""the spyder"--before I said one word to Joe, he was already cursing at other moderators without being provoked. So dont go giving me some crap about how I must have provoked him. He was seeing red before I said one word to him, and thats his fault, not mine. We are each responsible for our own actions, and for you to claim that I am at fault for Joe's actions, well, you need to grow up a bit there, son. I take responsibility for my actions, wont you please do the same. If you really had seen the convos between us, you would have seen Joe talking about the week from hell that he had, that had nothing to do with either me or this forum. So once again, spare me the bull."
----Due to a missunderstanding i posted (not profane, but defensive) things to mar3, and again as i stated in the first couple threads, i put my foot in my mouth and shoudnt have.. I sincerely apologized to him, and we have both let the matter go. You just on with a "and also" post that i responded to with no hostility towards you, but just annoyance towards the fact that it was even brought up here.. And he was informed off all conversations we had, from the first one, he knows all that i know, and all that we talked about.
I will say this one last time.. If this must go to court, then let it. I am assured that my counter suit for the previous deal (the whole reason i am treating this deal this way, aside from bobs demeanor and actions towards me) will land us even... And as i have said from the begning, i dont care about the money , i may not have it, but i dont care about it even when i do. Its about the rep and the cars. I love the cars and i am not a liar or a thief... And if i am it is no more than bob is.
To being banned. If this happens i am sad, i love this place and wish everyone the best (god why is this happening on turkey day, seems really ironic
) but if i loose my place here becuase of this that is what is... I am sad, i worked hard to maintain a good rep and be fair and kind to all those here who were fair and kind. But: "que sera, sera".To all of this bob stuff..I am treating this member in the same manor i was treated, with the same respect and the same trust. I am a firm believer in Karma and i think that i am mearly putting out what i recieved this time. I understand i may be the one at fault,but the only fault i have made was telling him not to eat it and come get his car, but trying to continue to our friendship that should not have been. MY MISTAKE IS THE PROMISE I MADE TO PAY HIM BACK AND TRYING TO PAY HIM BACK.... I should have just let be, i have learned my lesson...
And here is the bottom line roller, if i am to be banned for a bad deal, i wish to take him with me (something i know most will be happy about), i have brought it up now many times about being taken by him and it seems not to matter, so if i am banned for taking him, i request he be banned for taking my...
HAPPY TURKEY DAY TO ALL!!!!!!
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11-25-10, 05:29 PM
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You show me the elitism clause in the agreement that I signed/ agreed to that specifically says it is NOT my job (better yet my RIGHT) to question your "authority" or veiled threats.
Welcome to public forums.
People are allowed to have different opinions.
Deal with it.
Welcome to public forums.
People are allowed to have different opinions.
Deal with it.
11-25-10, 07:48 PM
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so you say all of this about getting people their money back and banning people for ripping off other then why am i still out 150 bucks and that ******* piece of **** "smokie" can still attempt to sell his garbage and not be banned? this is why i hate this forum, you never get help!
and dude its the ******* internet, grow up. seriously. and a ban on either party wouldnt be good for legal issues. say if bob takes joe to court or vise versa and one of them is banned then they will lose access to important information that can be on this site for them. this is really none of anybodys business and the forum should just let joe and bob solve it on their own OUTSIDE of the club rather than letting the "mods" try and resolve it. because you guys are just going to make it worse.
and dude its the ******* internet, grow up. seriously. and a ban on either party wouldnt be good for legal issues. say if bob takes joe to court or vise versa and one of them is banned then they will lose access to important information that can be on this site for them. this is really none of anybodys business and the forum should just let joe and bob solve it on their own OUTSIDE of the club rather than letting the "mods" try and resolve it. because you guys are just going to make it worse.
Second, despite what anyone here may think or have told you, there is only one reason that moderators got involved in this deal to begin with. We got involved because the buyer in this deal came to us and ASKED US FOR OUR HELP. Dont come in here rambling on and on acting like we happened upon something and took action on our own--if he wanted us to leave it alone he never would have posted for help!
Third, "its the internet, grow up"??? One of our members contacted us and told us that someone owes him $500.....that isnt "only the internet", chief. Look at you, whining and cursing over $150, but when someone came to me asking for help over $500, I'm supposed to say "its just the internet"??? Looks like youre the one that needs to grow up there, sport....
Like I said, let me know what happened in your sale. If the guy shafted you it will get taken care of. But dont come in here posting like you talked to me just last week and I blew you off!
11-25-10, 07:55 PM
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You show me the elitism clause in the agreement that I signed/ agreed to that specifically says it is NOT my job (better yet my RIGHT) to question your "authority" or veiled threats.
Welcome to public forums.
People are allowed to have different opinions.
Deal with it.
Welcome to public forums.
People are allowed to have different opinions.
Deal with it.
https://www.rx7club.com/faq.php?faq=rules_faq_item
Look under "user conduct"--
1. Attacks on moderators will not be tolerated, and may result in an immediate permanent ban. Moderators sometimes have to make difficult judgment calls, but remember we *are* human (well at least most of us are!) Hopefully we'll make decisions that are considered "correct" by the majority of the community. Do not post complaints, criticisms, or moderation questions on the forum. These posts will be deleted and no explanation will be given. If you have a concern about a particular moderator, send a private message to a Super Moderator or Administrator. And if you have constructive suggestions on improvements that can be made to the forum or its moderation, please post them in the Suggestions area.
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2. Keep in mind that this is not a democracy. We have the right to refuse service to anyone. If you make yourself too big of a pain in the butt to the moderating community or otherwise are a bad influence on the forum, your access may be revoked.
11-25-10, 08:17 PM
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---I washed my hands of any dealings with bob after this transaction, "fool me once,bla bla" well i learned, and let go of working with him. In doing so, i deleted my pm's his phone number from my phone, threw away the letter he sent me asking me to do his house,ect... So again, if you cannot bring back old pm's no i have nothing but his story against mine.
Step outside the issue for a minute and take an honest look at that. Maybe then you will understand!
And to the FS ****, WTF???? I was specifically told by MAR3 to STICK TO MY LOCAL SECTION, this by no means says i cannot post for sale ****. Its only out of respect to Robert (rw7) who is a good friend and warned me to stop and lay off for a bit that i am doing that. I have so much crap i dont need and i want gone right now, i would love to make a free stuff post but i am not..
Joe,
I cannot change the time stamps on any post. The first post on that thread is 10/30/2010 @ 11:04 PM CDT. That is when you created the post. It sat in the moderated threads board for 11 hours and 5 minutes and then it got released. I then immediately replied to the thread to lock up the stuff I wanted. That was 10/31/2010 @ 10:11 PM.
No matter how you cut it, that ain't two days. That's what makes me right, not because I'm a SuperModerator. Your other funny ad made the Moderator Discussion board and that almost did lead to your demise. As it stands now, here's the decision.
The posting behavior you exhibit suggests that you are not merely just getting rid of stuff you don't use but that this is some kind of side business generating income for you. Looking through 2 pages of posting history on just the threads you have created, shows that a full 70% of your threads are either FS or WTB posts.
As such, in order for you to create anymore FS or Part Out threads on this website, you're going to need to become an actual Paying Vendor, either monthly or by-the-month-only, when you have the next monster group of parts being sold. WTB ads will be left alone.
Here's the link to more information on that process.
https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-generation-rx-7-1986-1992-parts-194/would-you-like-operate-vendor-here-forum-easy-how-inside-897024/
Until this criteria has been satisfied, any further FS or Part Out ads will be deleted with no PM forthcoming when the ads are killed.
Now, where in there does it say that you can still sell in the regional section?
----Due to a missunderstanding i posted (not profane, but defensive) things to mar3, and again as i stated in the first couple threads, i put my foot in my mouth and shoudnt have.. I sincerely apologized to him, and we have both let the matter go. You just on with a "and also" post that i responded to with no hostility towards you, but just annoyance towards the fact that it was even brought up here.. And he was informed off all conversations we had, from the first one, he knows all that i know, and all that we talked about.
post my **** please.... or dont bitch when it gets sold before i get it posted
To all of this bob stuff..I am treating this member in the same manor i was treated, with the same respect and the same trust. I am a firm believer in Karma and i think that i am mearly putting out what i recieved this time. I understand i may be the one at fault,but the only fault i have made was telling him not to eat it and come get his car, but trying to continue to our friendship that should not have been. MY MISTAKE IS THE PROMISE I MADE TO PAY HIM BACK AND TRYING TO PAY HIM BACK.... I should have just let be, i have learned my lesson...
And here is the bottom line roller, if i am to be banned for a bad deal, i wish to take him with me (something i know most will be happy about), i have brought it up now many times about being taken by him and it seems not to matter, so if i am banned for taking him, i request he be banned for taking my...
This isnt about banning you--its about getting this whole issue resolved. The only reason I am involved at all is because Bob asked for help. I dont want to ban anyone, but this cannot simply be ignored like nothing happened. And the really sad thing here is that the favoritism that your friends here have for you is clouding the whole damn mess. Imagine that....someone ranting and cursing because someone took them for $150, but then telling me that I should drop it now because their personal friend has been accused of owing someone $500.....yeah, that makes a lot of sense...
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11-25-10, 10:25 PM
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Nope, never said i delete them each week. Get your facts straight..You are so apt to quote me, why dont you pull out my quote there 
And it was made apparent to me at least that he was talking about that section when he stated to just stick to the NW section.... If not the case, i was not aware of this....
The problem started with MAR3, and in my putting my foot in my mouth i sent a post in being a jerk, demanding it be posted cuase i didnt want to have it sold before it was and then get in trouble for not giving those a chance at it.... So yup, started with him, and that post just got intercepted by goodfellas, and to him i apologized as well... I felt attacked and out of fear of being attacked i responded incorrectly. i have apologized for this many times now.. But i will again i suppose -MY BAD!!
What proof is there that i have done anything wrong? If he didnt rip me off i didnt rip him off, neither of us have papers to proove ****, so this is a mute point. After talking with many people now i have found your full of **** and know nothing. The pm's mean NOTHING in court, and this has no right to even make it into the room.. Bottom line i face the BS here and that is all.... And again, if i am wrong then so is bob... Ask our local mod about our previous transaction where he ripped me off, i FOLOWED HIM TO BOBS HOUSE THAT DAY for christ sake ....... So there is proof.. But thats right, his pm's are more than any witness i can bring according to you...
First i have never meet nytrate, so the one person you are saying is clouding it is the one person i never asked anything of, in fact i never asked anyone to post anything here and if anything i hate that others are at risk for my bs... I POSTED THIS SO I COULD BE HEARD AND IF OR WHEN I AM BANNED IT WILL AT LEAST BE KNOWN WHY!
This needs to stop now, i would rather this forum forget all this and no one get any BS from it and just be banned..... Thats all that can happen to me as i am not in the wrong and more than the person claiming i am.....
DONE..........................DROPPED............. .....MOVED ON...................... YOUR CALL NOW............
And it was made apparent to me at least that he was talking about that section when he stated to just stick to the NW section.... If not the case, i was not aware of this....
The problem started with MAR3, and in my putting my foot in my mouth i sent a post in being a jerk, demanding it be posted cuase i didnt want to have it sold before it was and then get in trouble for not giving those a chance at it.... So yup, started with him, and that post just got intercepted by goodfellas, and to him i apologized as well... I felt attacked and out of fear of being attacked i responded incorrectly. i have apologized for this many times now.. But i will again i suppose -MY BAD!!
What proof is there that i have done anything wrong? If he didnt rip me off i didnt rip him off, neither of us have papers to proove ****, so this is a mute point. After talking with many people now i have found your full of **** and know nothing. The pm's mean NOTHING in court, and this has no right to even make it into the room.. Bottom line i face the BS here and that is all.... And again, if i am wrong then so is bob... Ask our local mod about our previous transaction where he ripped me off, i FOLOWED HIM TO BOBS HOUSE THAT DAY for christ sake
....... So there is proof.. But thats right, his pm's are more than any witness i can bring according to you...First i have never meet nytrate, so the one person you are saying is clouding it is the one person i never asked anything of, in fact i never asked anyone to post anything here and if anything i hate that others are at risk for my bs... I POSTED THIS SO I COULD BE HEARD AND IF OR WHEN I AM BANNED IT WILL AT LEAST BE KNOWN WHY!
This needs to stop now, i would rather this forum forget all this and no one get any BS from it and just be banned..... Thats all that can happen to me as i am not in the wrong and more than the person claiming i am.....
DONE..........................DROPPED............. .....MOVED ON...................... YOUR CALL NOW............
11-26-10, 01:14 AM
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The Amount of bullshit comming from certain people in this thread is ridicules!
Bob - If you have a real issue take this **** to Judge Judy, I know most of us are sick of hearing this ****. MOD - Take this **** to PMs You got into this by ur ******* comment and seriously stir'd up the bees nest. Joe made this thread to get contact info from fellow members so he can stay in touch if he was banned. And We all are here in support of him.
I have NEVER met joe. I have talked to him in Text messages on my Cell phone for a little. I have heard good things about him and am on his side.
This thread needs to be LOCKED. This kind of bullshit wouldnt be tolerated if it was just between members. its out of line. MOD You are attacking Joe. I believe that your moderator rights should be REVOKED! Your job is to Get the facts, and use those facts to make a decision.
if you were a police Officer. Your actions would have gotten ur badge and gun revoked. Seriously You are attacking Joe and other members. Bugger off.
Fin.
Bob - If you have a real issue take this **** to Judge Judy, I know most of us are sick of hearing this ****. MOD - Take this **** to PMs You got into this by ur ******* comment and seriously stir'd up the bees nest. Joe made this thread to get contact info from fellow members so he can stay in touch if he was banned. And We all are here in support of him.
I have NEVER met joe. I have talked to him in Text messages on my Cell phone for a little. I have heard good things about him and am on his side.
This thread needs to be LOCKED. This kind of bullshit wouldnt be tolerated if it was just between members. its out of line. MOD You are attacking Joe. I believe that your moderator rights should be REVOKED! Your job is to Get the facts, and use those facts to make a decision.
if you were a police Officer. Your actions would have gotten ur badge and gun revoked. Seriously You are attacking Joe and other members. Bugger off.
Fin.
11-26-10, 06:09 AM
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Like I said, if he has lied to me, I will gladly look at anything you have that proves it. If you have PMs, feel free to forward them to me. If I find out he has lied, there will be much trouble for him. In case you dont know my reputation, I dont take kindly to that sort of thing here.
----------well i clean my inbox once a week, so i dont have those pm's i let it all go and moved on.. However if we end up in court there are many who i will bring to verify all i have said and how he has miss lead and lied and not brought up things that would have shown him to be in the wrong as well....
And it was made apparent to me at least that he was talking about that section when he stated to just stick to the NW section.... If not the case, i was not aware of this....
The problem started with MAR3, and in my putting my foot in my mouth i sent a post in being a jerk, demanding it be posted cuase i didnt want to have it sold before it was and then get in trouble for not giving those a chance at it.... So yup, started with him, and that post just got intercepted by goodfellas, and to him i apologized as well... I felt attacked and out of fear of being attacked i responded incorrectly. i have apologized for this many times now.. But i will again i suppose -MY BAD!!
What proof is there that i have done anything wrong? If he didnt rip me off i didnt rip him off, neither of us have papers to proove ****, so this is a mute point. After talking with many people now i have found your full of **** and know nothing. The pm's mean NOTHING in court, and this has no right to even make it into the room.. Bottom line i face the BS here and that is all.... And again, if i am wrong then so is bob... Ask our local mod about our previous transaction where he ripped me off, i FOLOWED HIM TO BOBS HOUSE THAT DAY for christ sake ....... So there is proof.. But thats right, his pm's are more than any witness i can bring according to you...
....... So there is proof.. But thats right, his pm's are more than any witness i can bring according to you...
Yes that is fine, however this is the only transaction I was witness or even made aware of. If they had other transactions prior or after, I am not aware.
First i have never meet nytrate, so the one person you are saying is clouding it is the one person i never asked anything of, in fact i never asked anyone to post anything here and if anything i hate that others are at risk for my bs... I POSTED THIS SO I COULD BE HEARD AND IF OR WHEN I AM BANNED IT WILL AT LEAST BE KNOWN WHY!
11-26-10, 06:12 AM
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The Amount of bullshit comming from certain people in this thread is ridicules!
Bob - If you have a real issue take this **** to Judge Judy, I know most of us are sick of hearing this ****. MOD - Take this **** to PMs You got into this by ur ******* comment and seriously stir'd up the bees nest. Joe made this thread to get contact info from fellow members so he can stay in touch if he was banned. And We all are here in support of him.
I have NEVER met joe. I have talked to him in Text messages on my Cell phone for a little. I have heard good things about him and am on his side.
This thread needs to be LOCKED. This kind of bullshit wouldnt be tolerated if it was just between members. its out of line. MOD You are attacking Joe. I believe that your moderator rights should be REVOKED! Your job is to Get the facts, and use those facts to make a decision.
if you were a police Officer. Your actions would have gotten ur badge and gun revoked. Seriously You are attacking Joe and other members. Bugger off.
Fin.
Bob - If you have a real issue take this **** to Judge Judy, I know most of us are sick of hearing this ****. MOD - Take this **** to PMs You got into this by ur ******* comment and seriously stir'd up the bees nest. Joe made this thread to get contact info from fellow members so he can stay in touch if he was banned. And We all are here in support of him.
I have NEVER met joe. I have talked to him in Text messages on my Cell phone for a little. I have heard good things about him and am on his side.
This thread needs to be LOCKED. This kind of bullshit wouldnt be tolerated if it was just between members. its out of line. MOD You are attacking Joe. I believe that your moderator rights should be REVOKED! Your job is to Get the facts, and use those facts to make a decision.
if you were a police Officer. Your actions would have gotten ur badge and gun revoked. Seriously You are attacking Joe and other members. Bugger off.
Fin.
11-26-10, 06:59 AM
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The Amount of bullshit comming from certain people in this thread is ridicules!
Bob - If you have a real issue take this **** to Judge Judy, I know most of us are sick of hearing this ****. MOD - Take this **** to PMs You got into this by ur ******* comment and seriously stir'd up the bees nest. Joe made this thread to get contact info from fellow members so he can stay in touch if he was banned. And We all are here in support of him.
I have NEVER met joe. I have talked to him in Text messages on my Cell phone for a little. I have heard good things about him and am on his side.
This thread needs to be LOCKED. This kind of bullshit wouldnt be tolerated if it was just between members. its out of line. MOD You are attacking Joe. I believe that your moderator rights should be REVOKED! Your job is to Get the facts, and use those facts to make a decision.
if you were a police Officer. Your actions would have gotten ur badge and gun revoked. Seriously You are attacking Joe and other members. Bugger off.
Fin.
Bob - If you have a real issue take this **** to Judge Judy, I know most of us are sick of hearing this ****. MOD - Take this **** to PMs You got into this by ur ******* comment and seriously stir'd up the bees nest. Joe made this thread to get contact info from fellow members so he can stay in touch if he was banned. And We all are here in support of him.
I have NEVER met joe. I have talked to him in Text messages on my Cell phone for a little. I have heard good things about him and am on his side.
This thread needs to be LOCKED. This kind of bullshit wouldnt be tolerated if it was just between members. its out of line. MOD You are attacking Joe. I believe that your moderator rights should be REVOKED! Your job is to Get the facts, and use those facts to make a decision.
if you were a police Officer. Your actions would have gotten ur badge and gun revoked. Seriously You are attacking Joe and other members. Bugger off.
Fin.
If it is unclear to anyone else please reread post #33 in this thread or refer to "user conduct" in the forum rules.
If any of you have questions pertaining to this please feel free to PM me.
Thank you.
11-26-10, 12:34 PM
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Wow! I've been away awhile and things here have really become soap opera-ish. After reading the Bad and Fugly members posting, then this one entirely, I'm left with a feeling that this has progressed far beyond the basic issues.
I'm not going to touch all the mud slinging going on all around on this topic, but try to stay on point and to the heart of the matter as that is what was asked for in the Original posting by "Bob". I have never had any dealings with Bob, and have no ill will towards the man. Joe and I are friends and I have done countless business with him as he and I have the same outlook on cars and business, "Do the right thing even if it costs you". I have experienced this with and from Joe in our dealings. As for the MODS, it is not my place to second guess any decisions or actions they may or may not make. So, I'll stay away from commenting on that side of things with this exception. Upon reading the back and forthh here, one thing occurred to me, (well alot did, but this is the point I make now) when Joe made the statement that he deletes his pm's every week, I think a logical person can infer that he meant that as a general rule, not as a an immoveable fact. For example ....... When I say "I brush my teeth every night before bed" I mean it, but that doesn't mean there has never or is never an exception. Every one of us does this type of thing. I don't see a point in using it as an example of imconsistancy etc. as it is a commonly accepted thing in all our lives.
On to the heart of the matter......
First let me say that I don't assume to have every fact or know "completely" the story here. So my statements are based on whst has been posted in this and the Bad and Fugly members section alone. I have neither spoken to Joe or Bob about this matter and I am more interested in "what is right" than "who is right". It seems apparent to me that there are a few different transactions and situations being all put together here. Each is a SEPERATE issue. The dealings here are not dependant on each other, though they are linked, they are not all one. The original deal about this car and the 500 in question, was a simple sale of the vehicle. The extra body work and etc. is related, but not the issue. So, if we break it down to the individual issues and don't allow the extra clutter to get in the way, it appears to me to be pretty straight forward. Joe sold the car to Bob for 500 dollars. I don't see anything to dispute that fact, both parties seem to agree on that. So, at this point the car in question belongs to Bob. I see nothing to dispute this either. Now ther is the matter of the possesion of the vehicle. The car remained at Joe's, for the purpose of having work done to it.
At this point the only issue here to be resolved is the work that was agreed upon. Said work was not able to be completed by Joe, for whatever reason, the reason isn't important to the fact. Bob was made aware of this by Joe and told of his need to come and take possesion of his property. Bob decided he didn't want the car at all, but wanted his money back. Now before getting into the debate about what to do at this point, the facts at this point are that the car belongs to Bob, and was voluntarily left at Joe's for work to be done to it. After no communication or little to this point after the sale, I can't find alegal or ethical reason that the original sale is not final. That being the case, what ever options are offered to bob are related to the resolving of work not being done, since the vehicle in question is his, just as if he had dropped it at any other shop for work. A refund of any kind on the purchase is not optional.
As to the issue of the work to have been done and the payment owed etc. .........
If you leave a vehicle at a shop to have work done and the work is not done, you don't have to pay for said work, obviously. If that shop calls and asks you to pick up your vehicle and you do not, than they can and do sell parts or the whole car and keep the money as it is considered abandoned. Now if you and the shop have a dispute about the work and or the payment, the responsibility is on the owner to remove said car and pursue different avenues to resolve the issue. So.........
Basically it amounts to as far as I can see, Joe offered alternatives to Bob, who in turn refused them and offered his own, problem is, he had no expectation or right to dictate terms at that point. When Joe followed through with what he said, taking the car apart and selling the peices, then tried to make a payment on the car anyway, he actually was doing Bob a favor, since he really had no responsibility to Bob at this point other than attempting to do the right thing. From what I have read here, Neither of them agreed to a precise arrangement about the resolution of this at this juncture, but Joe still attempted to "make some effort to right things" on his own anyway. If the terms and etc. aren't to Bob's liking, that's for him to deal with, since he voluntarilly left the car and didn't pick up his property. Motives and dissagreements aside, the simple facts are fairly clear as to responsibility. We can argue the semantics and the ethics and the confusion all we want, but those are not the issue. Even if you choose to feel Joe is morally or ethically wrong in the latter deal, it still doesn't alter the fact that the car WAS purchased, and it WAS left even after the owner was told to come take possesion, each parties motives don't change those things.
At his point, whether I agree with Joe or not is mute, I can agree that I too would no longer feel obligated to resolve this further. You TRY to make things right, if the other party isn't happy with that and dictates other terms, that is THIER problem. I only make the attempt, acept it and do what you need, or you have no rights to complain further. Just my opinion.
I'm not going to touch all the mud slinging going on all around on this topic, but try to stay on point and to the heart of the matter as that is what was asked for in the Original posting by "Bob". I have never had any dealings with Bob, and have no ill will towards the man. Joe and I are friends and I have done countless business with him as he and I have the same outlook on cars and business, "Do the right thing even if it costs you". I have experienced this with and from Joe in our dealings. As for the MODS, it is not my place to second guess any decisions or actions they may or may not make. So, I'll stay away from commenting on that side of things with this exception. Upon reading the back and forthh here, one thing occurred to me, (well alot did, but this is the point I make now) when Joe made the statement that he deletes his pm's every week, I think a logical person can infer that he meant that as a general rule, not as a an immoveable fact. For example ....... When I say "I brush my teeth every night before bed" I mean it, but that doesn't mean there has never or is never an exception. Every one of us does this type of thing. I don't see a point in using it as an example of imconsistancy etc. as it is a commonly accepted thing in all our lives.
On to the heart of the matter......
First let me say that I don't assume to have every fact or know "completely" the story here. So my statements are based on whst has been posted in this and the Bad and Fugly members section alone. I have neither spoken to Joe or Bob about this matter and I am more interested in "what is right" than "who is right". It seems apparent to me that there are a few different transactions and situations being all put together here. Each is a SEPERATE issue. The dealings here are not dependant on each other, though they are linked, they are not all one. The original deal about this car and the 500 in question, was a simple sale of the vehicle. The extra body work and etc. is related, but not the issue. So, if we break it down to the individual issues and don't allow the extra clutter to get in the way, it appears to me to be pretty straight forward. Joe sold the car to Bob for 500 dollars. I don't see anything to dispute that fact, both parties seem to agree on that. So, at this point the car in question belongs to Bob. I see nothing to dispute this either. Now ther is the matter of the possesion of the vehicle. The car remained at Joe's, for the purpose of having work done to it.
At this point the only issue here to be resolved is the work that was agreed upon. Said work was not able to be completed by Joe, for whatever reason, the reason isn't important to the fact. Bob was made aware of this by Joe and told of his need to come and take possesion of his property. Bob decided he didn't want the car at all, but wanted his money back. Now before getting into the debate about what to do at this point, the facts at this point are that the car belongs to Bob, and was voluntarily left at Joe's for work to be done to it. After no communication or little to this point after the sale, I can't find alegal or ethical reason that the original sale is not final. That being the case, what ever options are offered to bob are related to the resolving of work not being done, since the vehicle in question is his, just as if he had dropped it at any other shop for work. A refund of any kind on the purchase is not optional.
As to the issue of the work to have been done and the payment owed etc. .........
If you leave a vehicle at a shop to have work done and the work is not done, you don't have to pay for said work, obviously. If that shop calls and asks you to pick up your vehicle and you do not, than they can and do sell parts or the whole car and keep the money as it is considered abandoned. Now if you and the shop have a dispute about the work and or the payment, the responsibility is on the owner to remove said car and pursue different avenues to resolve the issue. So.........
Basically it amounts to as far as I can see, Joe offered alternatives to Bob, who in turn refused them and offered his own, problem is, he had no expectation or right to dictate terms at that point. When Joe followed through with what he said, taking the car apart and selling the peices, then tried to make a payment on the car anyway, he actually was doing Bob a favor, since he really had no responsibility to Bob at this point other than attempting to do the right thing. From what I have read here, Neither of them agreed to a precise arrangement about the resolution of this at this juncture, but Joe still attempted to "make some effort to right things" on his own anyway. If the terms and etc. aren't to Bob's liking, that's for him to deal with, since he voluntarilly left the car and didn't pick up his property. Motives and dissagreements aside, the simple facts are fairly clear as to responsibility. We can argue the semantics and the ethics and the confusion all we want, but those are not the issue. Even if you choose to feel Joe is morally or ethically wrong in the latter deal, it still doesn't alter the fact that the car WAS purchased, and it WAS left even after the owner was told to come take possesion, each parties motives don't change those things.
At his point, whether I agree with Joe or not is mute, I can agree that I too would no longer feel obligated to resolve this further. You TRY to make things right, if the other party isn't happy with that and dictates other terms, that is THIER problem. I only make the attempt, acept it and do what you need, or you have no rights to complain further. Just my opinion.
11-26-10, 03:43 PM
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MAR3: "Stick to the locals"... This is on the thread we had been talking on when he said i need to stay of that fs section. When he sent the pm right after that i assumed it meant the sections we had been on so all sections but my local.. If i dont get something and assume, i am not lying i am just miss understanding it.
i dont have a perfect memory and am not the best with the internet and words, so if anything i am making it harder on myself by trying to defend myself. So may not be able to remember exact words, but i am NOT A LIAR.
Rx7roller02- You have shown yourself to have a biased stance from the first post to me as you have known that he has stolen my money and labor first, and yet even with him posting it and telling you about it and me making also informing you, the only person who is being looked at is me. So, you have no right to say another word to me.
RW7- i am truly saddened at the loss of a friend. I never asked anything of you and went out of my way not to include you until you included yourself. But are you really going to sit there and tell everyone you had no clue about the previous transaction between me and bob? Really? That hurts man, truly hurts.. I realize his was (or is) your boss, and close longtime friend and you cannot loose that, but at what cost man? I have not lied here, i may be wrong for the way i am handling this, but i have not denied anything to anyone, let alone friends. ouch man, lame
So to end this, installer thank you for the words, it sums it all up and i think really nothing else needs to be said. I am tired of this drama clogging up a good forum.
i dont have a perfect memory and am not the best with the internet and words, so if anything i am making it harder on myself by trying to defend myself. So may not be able to remember exact words, but i am NOT A LIAR.
Rx7roller02- You have shown yourself to have a biased stance from the first post to me as you have known that he has stolen my money and labor first, and yet even with him posting it and telling you about it and me making also informing you, the only person who is being looked at is me. So, you have no right to say another word to me.
RW7- i am truly saddened at the loss of a friend. I never asked anything of you and went out of my way not to include you until you included yourself. But are you really going to sit there and tell everyone you had no clue about the previous transaction between me and bob? Really? That hurts man, truly hurts.. I realize his was (or is) your boss, and close longtime friend and you cannot loose that, but at what cost man? I have not lied here, i may be wrong for the way i am handling this, but i have not denied anything to anyone, let alone friends. ouch man, lame
So to end this, installer thank you for the words, it sums it all up and i think really nothing else needs to be said. I am tired of this drama clogging up a good forum.
11-26-10, 04:44 PM
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RW7- i am truly saddened at the loss of a friend. I never asked anything of you and went out of my way not to include you until you included yourself. But are you really going to sit there and tell everyone you had no clue about the previous transaction between me and bob? Really? That hurts man, truly hurts.. I realize his was (or is) your boss, and close longtime friend and you cannot loose that, but at what cost man? I have not lied here, i may be wrong for the way i am handling this, but i have not denied anything to anyone, let alone friends. ouch man, lame
11-26-10, 05:50 PM
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this matter needs to end, are you too still in a pissing match or going to work it out? LOOK at the posts. Installer said it best, you kids need to stop bickering on a public forum and work it out. From everything I have read You too have have screwed each other over more than once.STOP doing any more dealings with each other. I would like to have a phone conversation with Bob as I did with you to hear his side, albeit from what I have read this seem to be nothing more than a large loss of communication that went bad, I only heard one side. Bob pm me I want to hear your side before I post more and get banned for posting my opinion in the matter
