ExhaustLeak

Since early 60s People have been Using Hydrogen to Fuel Engines.

We all know that Methane burns slow. It would not really be a good fuel to burn alone. It is a Dirty fuel. But with Hydrogen and its burn rate 10 times faster than gas. And will get you nearly ten times farther.
it will Combust the Methane faster then By itself. I have been Doing some research on other fuels. And after a Long time Found a video on youtube that got leaked. this video was a $50 from the owner Roy mcalister in Arizona.
I found some amazing facts of this video. and the guy seems very trust worthy. this video is like 120 minutes. slow in some parts but amazing. they will take you on a drive in a real Hydrogen geo metro. (didn't cost a million dollars either) infact the tanks hoses and lines + regulators, The cost is like 1500-2000 MAX to make your car a Hydrogen car.(at 50 cents a gal EQ) You may ask where can i get Hydrogen fuel. well Isnt it od No one talks about that. Well thanks to our Government and cover Ups. and Killings of people that have got there car to run on water No one can get the word out.. But thanks to Email, Youtube and groups i say we will have the word spread faster than ever... If you Dont beleive the coverups and the Killings our government has commited to Keep Big oil in bussiness then take a look at the First Video. That will change your Mind.. There is no reason to be running on gasoline anymore. I will put the video with Roy Mcalister in also. Spread the word...


Prax air Sells Hydrogen. Not only that But most anything you need. There are a few praxairs Localy.. I see the future of prax air is going to be rich. Stocks are already rising. And might Explode.
No pun Intended.
and You can make Hydrogen at home and pressure it up Into your tanks..
Methane Hydrogen mix is amazing. Check out these VIDS

"Stan Meyers car that runs on water" Killed by our government
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8stApCmxYEM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PDJ2DdCZlOk
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Roy Mcalister of Arizona..... Been using Hydrogen for 45 years..
On you tube "Engine Fundamentals" #1-#10 I posted the First part. you need to watch all ten.. they are all listed on youtube Under Engine Fundamentals.. the first few videos are more Info than flashy test drives or Equipment testing. thats on the ending videos


http://youtube.com/watch?v=hFifFR-4C28

AUGieDogie

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problems with this.

Hydrogen is not easy to extract. Do you really want your neighbor extracting 50lbs of it next door to you? Think BOOOM.
The cost of extracting it is not cheap, you might as well use the electricity to run the car.

There are no know, safe, storage containers for autos, if it gets punctured, you burn.

The only way to make H other then electolisys (sp?) is to extract it from natural gas. Ironic isn't it?

Now there are people working on these issues, and some show hope. But not any time soon.

(iceland does run a H fueled bus. They use geothermal electricity to make the H)

Methane, see above problems, but remember, it is 20 times worse of a greenhouse gas then co2.

As far as a water powered car. Here is the one thing to think about. No matter what "big business", the oil companies, or anyone else who doesn't want it, says to our goverment. IF THE US MILITARY COULD USE WATER INSTEAD OF GAS, IT WOULD BE USING IT.

Don't beleive everything you beleive on the internet.

ExhaustLeak

problems with this.

Hydrogen is not easy to extract. Do you really want your neighbor extracting 50lbs of it next door to you? Think BOOOM.
The cost of extracting it is not cheap, you might as well use the electricity to run the car.

There are no know, safe, storage containers for autos, if it gets punctured, you burn.
(not true)( How is Carbon Fiber 10,000 psi tanks going to puncture?) (they have been tested with Sniper rifles and Dynomite and been hit with trains and have not busted.) They have Been Certified for auto use..

The only way to make H other then electolisys (sp?) is to extract it from natural gas. Ironic isn't it? (Hydrogen is in water. water come outs of your tap. Natural gas wont) Unless you do the wiring) there are many ways to crack water other than Electrolisys. Microwaves radiation Sound and Solar. and maybe more.) adam


Now there are people working on these issues, and some show hope. But not any time soon.
(We will see.. I guess you really would rather pay for gas than even try and think that somthing new could come around the corner.) Like the new H2 cars. that use 94% of its energy put in. And Gas cars Waste 70% of its power through exhaust heat that runs into the heads and pistons or rotars.. Hydrogen Burns so fast. that you have to be at Top dead center for the fuel to run in your car. 94% of all the gasses are burnt meaning very little heat. and cool exhaust.. Gas is the true waste of energy. you pay for 10 gallons and trully use 4 of them while the rest is not used just wasted)

(iceland does run a H fueled bus. They use geothermal electricity to make the H)

Methane, see above problems, but remember, it is 20 times worse of a greenhouse gas then co2.
(Agian you didnt read much. )
When released to the air, methane is a greenhouse gas that traps 20 times more heat than carbon dioxide (another greenhouse gas). When burned, methane releases up to 25% less carbon dioxide than the combustion of the same mass of coal and does not emit the nitrogen and sulfur oxides known to damage the environment.


As far as a water powered car. Here is the one thing to think about. No matter what "big business", the oil companies, or anyone else who doesn't want it, says to our goverment. IF THE US MILITARY COULD USE WATER INSTEAD OF GAS, IT WOULD BE USING IT.

NOT TRUE wake up. The goverment writes off all fuel cost. We pay for it. Military tanks jets. when you get a plane ticket you pay for part of the fuel.. The government makes trillions a year on bringing Oil from the middle east. would they give that up? NO can cars run on water YES. they dont want the word to get out on how easy it is... because if everyone Used Hydrogen or water cars The goverment wont make the Money off it. Goverment will have no more money to play with. No taxes then they have to find a new way to charge us to live. Figure it out. maybe you need to stop watching cnn..

You know why the car companies are trying to get a part of the Hydrogen deal is because its government backed.. They want Hydrogen fuel stations.. WHY Because they can tax us for using them. and Charge us ALOT to buy a hydrogen car. when you can Just convert a gas car to Hydrogen.

Dont Beleive anything you hear on main stream Media

ExhaustLeak

In short simple
goverment wants to control and tax any fuels.. for your home car anything. they dont want you to beleive that there is a way to go around them.. they want to be in control.

anyways the best cell i have seen so far.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tJBQUM52d...elated&search=

The Spyder

iTrader: (8)

When I was in Germany this winter I went to the Dutches Museum. Inside among other cool cars were 2 BMW Hydrogen powered 3 and 5 series cars. Not only were they functional, but they showed proper fuel storage, proper engine setup, and the water produced.
Leaving we noticed 2 more of these test cars outside, as we left, a Silver 3 series left.

We are getting closer, but we are not there yet.

ExhaustLeak

Well we are there now. I mean i can get a 10,000 PSI carbon fiber tank. fill with hydrogen for 30 bucks Mix it with some Methane the cheap crap that no one wants. and with the hydrogen and Methane its been proven you can go 700-900 miles on one tank. Prax air sells Hydrogen everyday. pull up they will fill you up. 50 cents a gal EQ
Hydrogen is not as dangerous as people lead you to beleive. i mean look

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rdV9881tMFw

this looks fun too..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8EFFjNS0i...elated&search=

AUGieDogie

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I hate to do this, because its just soooooo obvious.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xiAT9xvTVKI

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for alternates to oil, but we are WAY off. Those test cars you saw where just that, tests. Hell mazda made our little rotary a H powered test. There is just too much involved right now in getting them to work.

Have you ever seen a photo of a acetaline (sp?) take that exploded in a car? Same thing if that 10k psi carbon fiber one goes. Do you honestly beleive that you will be allowed to drive a car with that kind of, uncertified for autos, tank in it?

Personally I would prefer an electic car in the future, quiet, instant on power. But just like the rest of them getting one that works for a DD is the problem.

My biggest laugh right now is the 320something HP lexus, whatever. They give you the total power of the electric drive, and gasoline drive. Which of corse IS usable. But if you are buying one for ecconmy, then that is kind of going out the window when you use both systems.

Right now, you will never save enough money on fuel, to pay for the extra cost of a hybrid.

All that being said. I would be SOOOOOOOOOOOO happy if we didn't have to buy all of our oil from a bunch of screwed up nations.

(I do like the H-rotary though)

The Spyder

iTrader: (8)

We are not there until it is a widely accepted fuel source. The energy it takes to make hydrogen offsets its ability to be a fuel replacement anyways. We create another fuel source by depleting others (Coal power plants to fuel the hydrogen fuel production plants.) Only once we move to Nuclear fusion or completly green (dams, wind, solar) power production and switch to hydrogen will we be even close. Even then, our dependence on oil is still huge. I cant wait for the hydrogen powered lawn mower, weed eater, or pressure washer. Cars are a big part of a HUGE global dependency . Our generation will probably never see the end of oil usage all together. Can you imagine the scrap from all the engines that cant be retrofitted? What about 2 stroke engines? Haha, people give rotaries doubts for using an oil injection system, just wait until its a standard part of a retrofit kit for older engines.

We will only start moving away from oil once it is so far depleted that we have no other choice or the government puts a stop on its production as a fuel.

We are not there yet because there are no hydrogen powered production cars, only a handful of filling stations, and no easy retrofit kits available to the mass market.
And please do not pull the back yard scientist rigging your car. I bet if you did, safety would be your last concern. Production cars have hi standards for a reason, its not every dick and jane tossing a tank of highly pressurized gas into the back of their suburban and running lines to the engine. Mythbusters proved you can run a car on hydrogen. (Straight from a tank from Air-Gas.)

Dont believe everything you read on the internet. If you do, I have a 100mpg carb to sell you.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=hydrogen+car+

ExhaustLeak

Hindenburg Disaster haha. because of the Hindenburg Disaster Hydrogen isnt safe? Hindenburg is a totaly diffrent Idea with the use of Hydrogen. Not only that but this is 60 + years ago wow

AUGieDogie

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I couldn't resist. It was just too easy.

AUGieDogie

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Now as far as the military "writing off" fuel. BULLSHIT. Its not a matter of the cost of it. Think about it. Your tank is in the middle of "a" warzone. You run out of fuel. Your whole division has run out of fuel, we could lose 1000s of men,but wait we can just use water.

We spend 2 billion dollars on a nuke sub. But wait we could just use water. Unlimited fuel from what we are swiming in. It would work better then the reactor, and would be cheap.

if that guy has a water powered car, the military would have paid him BILLIONS to give it to them. Or they would have tortured him for the secret.

I saw a guy claimed he had a perpetual motion machine. He wouldn't sell any though, because he was waiting on the patent. That was at least 10 years ago, so where is he? Same as this guy, he is a con man.

The water guy is bullshit. Why hasn't Cheany killed him?

H IS probably viable, maybe even in the next 20 years or even less.

But god, stop all the conspirasy **** will you.

pp13bnos

iTrader: (1)

Since U-tube, metacafe, etc, came about.....every nutcase seems to have came out of the woodwork. Maybe we should start talking about chem trails, verichips, the lost city of Atlantis, and how there is only one family controlling the entire world....I bet ya anything though, that the government will come and delete this thread.

One thought....unplug your computer after you're done online.....

Edit, I'm being sarcastic.