NINjaX7

[QUOTE=Rotortuner]think what you want, you weren't there

hammmy

I don't know how you're defending 125+ in a 40mph zone. dDub does like his soap boxes, but this particular one is a no-brainer.

Oh, and btw Ninja: street racing at night against Hondas makes you a ricer too.

kettlman

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I'm a ricer. i drive a mazda.

kristopher_d

How do I know my car is safe at 100+ on I5? The one I drive consistently is 6sp RX8, the damn thing is nearly impossible to lose control of with the DSC turned on, and difficult with it off. My Malibu has never been faster than 75, which was the legal limit. BTW, for that car, it was too fast so I slowed down and got in the right hand lane. My RX7 is currenlty unsafe at 50, so it pretty much sits all the time. ALL cars are unsafe in a residential neighborhood at those speeds, in fact, in the REALLY residential areas, I usually do 15-20, instead of the posted 25 (even in the 8). In an industrial area, 2 lanes each way on a Saturday evening, with no other cars visible, a well tuned and maintained car is safe at considerably higher speeds than the posted limits. Take things in context here. 100+ in rush-hour is stupid even on the freeway, there are too many variables. Now for an example from the track. Let's look at the enterainment function called NASCAR (formerly a sport, but restrictor plates have changed that). NASCAR implemented the restrictor plates for "safety" but there're more wrecks on super-speedways than ever. I gaurentee, along with the vast majority of Winston Cup drivers, that if the cars didn't have restrictor plates there'd be fewer wrecks, despite considerably higher super0-speedway speeds. Again, context. Now, would I take part in a head-to-head race inside ANY city limits? No, but that's more because of the risk of being caught. Again, no harm, no foul. Now, if I screw up, lose control, and kill somebody, I have one question. Why the hell weren't they wearing their seatbelt. My cars are all lighter than most, I don't speed where there's any realistic risk of pedestrians.

Most importantly, this a topic where both sides will have to agree to disagree. Some foks beleive it wrong and unsafe to exceed the speed limit under any circumstances. Some folks see it as a matter of exceeding the Speed Tax Collection threshold and are willing to accept the risk of financial consequences. However, to prosteletize everytime someone mentions going fast on the street is more likely to garner ill fealings than some of my behavior a couple months ago. I've found, it's far more effective to post a singe in response to one of these threads. It get's your point across without causing folks to get defensive. To be completely honest, I'm not fond of "Racing" per se, and would have agreed with a but I do enjoy "Spirited" driving, so attacking speeding across the board got my dander up.

Okay, someone else can have the soap-box now.

NINjaX7

i don't really know what mindset you have for the definition of a ricer? but to me, that was a narrow minded statement. So what? just because i raced a honda makes me a ricer? and just because at night it makes it worse? if I raced a HONDA nsx, or a HONDA s2k, i'm automatically a ricer to you? do i have to race ferraris or lotuses to not be a ricer? yeah the honda emblem has the stereotypic view of economy car, however, you have to realize that there are cars out there that may look shitty, but are probably one of the fastest cars on the street. you have no idea what was in his car, neither do I. For all I care he could've swapped in some crazy *** motor I don't even know about. But to keep up with a twin turbo rotary is impressive for a honda. when i talked to his friends after, they talked in a high manner in regards to his car. I'm guessing he had a lot of work done to it. i'm not trying to flame on you, just trying to clarify that you weren't there, and your judgement in calling me a ricer has no credibility

hammmy

No. Racing on the street 125mph+ makes you a ricer. Your arrogantly flippant attitude about what you did--"what's done is done i can't change the past"--makes you an idiot.

I forgot to mention something earlier: from your description, this Honda had the lead through or up to 125mph. This after he had to roll from 40mph, to cover your car's weakness. I don't know about anyone else here, but if someone has a quarter-length lead after racing from 40-125, I'd say they won.

ddub

Yah I have an rx8 too, and on a simple turn doing the speed limit in that thing I went completely sideways on dry pavement. I had to counter-steer back and forth to regain control and came within inches of ramming into the curb I trust my rx7 way more than my rx8 after that event, it grips and handles 1000 times better. Maybe an rx8 with an upgraded suspension, but stock that thing is just not all that great IMO, but maybe yours isn't stock. Like I said I lost control on a simple turn, and was doing the speed limit.


You can try and twist it or explain it however you want, but it's not safe on any public streets. There are way too many things that could easily happen without you knowing. Children running into the street randomly (happens way too often with the little attention parents nowadays give them), someone on a bike, crossing the street, etc.


I wouldn't know about any of that, don't watch or pay attention to NASCAR, so I'll just take your word on it.


Sometimes seatbelts fail or aren't enough. The stuff I described earlier about the people dying from my HS, all of them were wearing seatbelts and so was the person they smashed into. So *shrugs* seatbelts don't always save you


My biggest issue is just excessive speeding. I'm not going to bite someone's head off for going 50 in a 35, even though I still disagree, but some things are just too much. I agree with some of what you said, though.

NINjaX7

uh no, let me ask you something? were you there? not to my knowledge no you weren't. he was ahead of my by a quarter for the first portion, i got ahead of him, i hit the rev limiter, he started pulling on me, i shift up, i got back ahead, he never got more than a quarter length ahead, and the only time that happened was in the beginning.
hmmm now i'm a ricer because i go 125+? i thought you said:

so now you change the subject? i'm a ricer because i go 125+? make up your mind, but all in all what are you trying to do by putting me down, it does absolutely nothing. I'm not going to doubt that you're still entitled to your own opinion.
Well isn't that statement true? i can't change the past obviously unless you've built some rotary time machine no one knows about. maybe you should let me borrow it so i can go and change the past so i can "unmake myself an idiot" so i wouldn't have to listen to your negativity

1987_Gxl

so your talking about shifting ninja? wasn't your car an automatic? get that conversion to M/T done?

Red Suns

My guess is that NINjaX7 had his auto into 2nd or 3rd gear designation.

NINjaX7 I've read your posts before and you've seemed like a great RX-7/rotary enthusiast like many of us are in one way or another. I'm not going to pass judgement on you and say your a horrible person or anything like that. I'm sure that most of us know when we could've made better decisions at some point(s) of our lives. You've made your decisions and actions and it is your prerogative whether or not there was anything to be learned from it or not.

I won't patronize you and clarify what many of us are trying to tell you about the risks of driving on public streets above posted speed limits whether or not perceived conditions or circumstances on these public roads permitted. But I only ask for you just to see the event that you have described to us from our eyes and our points of view.

You made the effort to gather some rotary heads together which was awesome and I hope you continue your efforts. My one and only opinion would be to keep the racing off the public roads.

I'm glad from my take of the story and my assumptions of the racing scenario that you have described, that no one got hurt. It sounds like you and the others had alot of fun and did some RX-7/rotary bonding. That is something however we can never have enough of.

NINjaX7

oh no, i used the hold function in my car. there's a hold button that makes the gear stay in place until you switch it out. but i know my own limits, when and when not to punch it. some people don't see it through my experience. I accept the dangers and consequences that might come each time i go for it. if you really want to know, however i feel it has no relevance, i have a clean spotless driving record. ONE deferred ticket on my street bike back in july of 04, i got a speeding ticket when i was riding with my cousins friends. they were mashing, i was the one in the back not even matching their speeds. but since i was part of the group i was automatically assumed to be speeding.

If possible i would like to get more rotorheads in the area to come out and just cruise again sometime. The street racing thing happened out of the blue, even ask steve, erik, garrett, or jason. it was completely random and by chance. Could it have been prevented? yes of course. i would even like to invite hammmy sometime if he would like to join us, if you cruised with us that night, you'd totally see my point of view and understand. racing isn't a priority or the main goal of a cruise. like red suns said, it's a time for having fun and rotary bonding.

TOOSHORT_88

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Yes ,Yes it was a good night *(NINjaX7)* we should plan to do that again sometime, but this time i wont get lost tryin to find the freeway! (maybe i will be rollin on my 15in eagles instead of my hp robbing 18's.

TOOSHORT_88

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okay this thread was suppose to be about the aftermath of the cruize, not other rx7 enthuasist's tryin to put us down on our drive/cruize , like my hommie "NINjaX7 (said none of you were there, so you dont know how it all went down).

NINjaX7

hey man, so what was the charge on the ticket?

kettlman

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damn. dDuB. you said you lost control in your 8 on a dry corner doing the speed limit? well i understand why you're so afraid of going fast now. hell we were doing 60-70 on the 25-35 corners at rainier. guess you just need to know your car on things like that. i understand completly now on why you feel like that. sorry for getting so offensive earlier.

CODE BLUE 2

If they only saw last year you doing that donut on the hwy.

NINjaX7

wtf? you did a donut on the hwy?! damn, that's something i wouldn't try

TOOSHORT_88

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*(traffic)* prohibited U turn & improper lane change , i gonna fight it though my record is spotless...stupid po's should be stopping robbers and murders not me .

ddub

Unfortunately yes. I've never once lost control of my rx7 even when taking sharper turns faster than I did, while still within the posted speed of course. The rx8 is not made to handle wonderfully stock IMO. One of the other problems is that my rx8 did NOT come with traction control. I got the base model so I could get the lightest rx8 possible. I got it with zero options and traction control was one of the ones left off. I've also already reduced the weight by about 30-40 lbs. Maybe traction control does a lot I guess, but until I have an upgraded suspension I wont be trying anything near that in the 8 again. The rx7 is fine, though, since it has polyurethane bushings, coilovers, stiff shocks, front/rear/under bars, aftermarket sway bars, very lightened, etc etc etc.

But no worries, we're all entitled to our opinions and beliefs, and everything you said I just chalked it up to that, didn't think too much of it :|

kettlman

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did you remove the tar?

eriksseven

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haha, YES!!!

I'm diggin' the controversy... haha.

I was definitely in the "party of 5"... ha, sorry.

It was awesome. Cruisin' down 99 in a pack of 5 rex's on the Alaskan Way Viaduct as the sun was setting...

Rolling into a park to turn around and accidently running into 20 kids who didn't know what Rx7's were... It was so funny; a bunch of kids with Honda's CHALLENGING us to a race who simply didn't know that the 7 can't lose... lol.

I am going to defend our actions by saying that safety was our first priority.

literally 'careful' driving.

Picking our spots.

NOT doing 125mph at ALKI beach. Try 2nd gear at 20mph on the strip. The high speeds were on an EMPTY West Marginal (4-5 lanes).

I HATE reckless driving/drivers. BUT, my definition of reckless hinges mostly on the SCENARIO and driving conditions. I honestly don't think that going 100mph on a 40mph road is necessarily reckless when there's literally 5 lanes and no cars for 5 miles in either directions. But my opinion would change COMPLETELY if you thought it OK to (for example) fly past another motorist while going 100mph on this same road...

BUT, I do temper this attitude by saying that every time you go outside of the law, you must EXPECT to get caught. There can be no bitterness or finger pointing. One must accept the consequences of their actions. Although I would be devestated if my NEGLIGENCE cause someone to be killed or severely injured. I don't feel that negligence hinges solely on a speed limit. A negligent driver is one who believes himself to be invincible, who isn't paying full attention to the road and surroudings, who doesn't know the limits of their car OR their abilitly and/or someone who is showing off...

Anyone care to interject?

NINjaX7

so... i do'nt know if this is an appropriate question, anybody want to cruise again sometime? again, don't assume, the course of events we had happened randomly

TOOSHORT_88

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Cruize hmmmmmmmmm? i would be down for another....last time was great and i was barely even beating my car most of the time just cruizin..

NINjaX7

haha this time let's plan it out for the next one, gas up, bring a camera definitely, that's one we forgot. ummmm... somewhere to eat? i was mad hungry when we were out, i could've eaten the leather in my car. yea, i always see FD's FC's and FB's around. for example just down the street there's a dude with a red FC that i've never talked to. I saw him workin on his car yesterday. Steve have you seen that guy on the corner of 148th and seattle hill, the three way stop, it's the only house left on that intersection? I would've stopped and chatted with him out of nowhere and told him to just drive with us sometime, but i was late for work. There's also a red FC with a blue FMIC that's in the silver lake area, i gotta try hunting that guy down to join us. There's a black turbo vert owned by an older guy, i talked to him once and he tuned the **** out of his car. So what i'm trying to get at, is, try to talk to more people that necessarily aren't on the forum but are in our backyards. Get them involved so we can have a bigger turnout and have more fun next time. I say, the more the merrier.

I think we need to try incorporate more of these guys into the forums and/or meet up and just talk about our cars etc. That's what we did on friday prior to actually driving, and man it was still fun.

TOOSHORT_88

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Hey i hear ya dude, yesterday i was cruizin in auburn and ran into a 91black na
he followed me so i pulled over and he pulled off too. found out hes mostly in the boneylake area. planing a 20b conversion , told him he should go on a drive/cruize with us sometime, ran into another fc red vert with crbn fiber hood and trunk, didnt get to talk to him though i always see him on the 512 and off of canyon rd. so maybe on the next cruize we can be rollin 15+ deep instead of just 5,

oh yeah i was pissed off , never got to stop and eat i was starvin too..