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Old Nov 12, 2013 | 12:26 PM
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white smoke and rough idle

I have white smoke and a rough idle. For about 2 or 3 miniutes after cold start up. I'm concerned because I've been reading it could be a coolent seal. It has cold air intake, cat back and a jdm oem dp.
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Old Nov 13, 2013 | 02:05 AM
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Here's a video I took. Right at start up
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Old Nov 13, 2013 | 05:36 AM
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A coolant seal failure is a common problem....at least in the FDs of which I'm familiar. IMO it's the price for forced induction. Boost is power. More power= more heat= more stress. NA rotarys have the problem, but AFAIK, not nearly as soon as the FDs.

Still, before doing anything, make sure you have a failed seal. Besides the 'Champagne test" these are all the symtoms I can think of... but no single symtom by itself is confirmation. Many symtoms could be from other causes. However the more symtoms/conditions you have in combination, the more likely it is a coolant seal failure.........

*Stumbling idle on cold start-up that clears up quickly. The combustion chamber is fouled with coolant. As soon as it's purged or burned up, your car will run fine until the next cold start.
*Slightly sweet exhaust smell, especially on start-up. See above. Coolant is being burned and it has a distinctive smell.
*"White smoke" (steam) on cold start-up even in warm/hot weather. See above.
*A coolant over-flow tank that is over-flowing. This will usually result in a puddle under the car near the right front...the area of the over-flow tank. When coolant gets hot it expands and that's what the overflow tank is for. But with a failed seal the natural vacuum that forms and pulls that coolant back out as the engine cools down is lost. That leaves that coolant stranded in the tank and eventually it overflows.
*Coolant loss that isn't explained by a puddle on your garage floor. It's being consumed by the engine and going out the exhaust.
*Spiking temps that seemingly recover on their own almost as quickly. Air pockets in the cooling system allow steam to form. That will cause temp spiking. This is different than a rising temp just after a period of hard boost. It can happen as your steadily cruising down the highway.
*Boiling sounds after shut down even shortly after properly "burping" the system. See above.
*Failed coolant system pressure test.
*Failed test of coolant for hydrocarbons.
*Unusually clean plugs, or wet plugs if you pull them right away after starting the car. (Sometimes you can even smell the coolant)
*One or more episodes of serious overheating in the car's history regardless of miles. (from what I've read, 115 C./240 F. seems to be the critical number for OEM seals to begin to degrade)
*An otherwise well maintained and cared-for FD approaching 100K miles or so.

As for a bandaid, some have used one of the many "Stop-Leak" coolant additives to give them a bit more time but use at your own risk. While it's not anything that will leave you on the side of the road, a failed coolant seal can lead to errosion/rust/pitting of the coolant seal grooves in the irons. That can cause a junk iron and make the inevitiable rebuild more expensive.
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Looks like you have the first and third symtom. What does it smell like? I would get it pressure tested and note the last part of this post.
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Old Nov 13, 2013 | 09:34 AM
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Just smells like gasoline on start up. I stuck my face right in it when I took the video. My mechanic says not to worry, but I'm skeptical and Im not sure now if I should put any more $ into my car. My engine has 45k miles, but that's the original miles, so I'm not sure if it can fail for being 20 years old.

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Old Nov 13, 2013 | 02:34 PM
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Statistically they don't fail alot on cars with that low mileage. But coolant goes acidic over time if it's not changed regularly and that can be tough on soft seals. A previous owner could have overheated it as well.
Is your mechanic familiar with rotaries?

Check ALL the hoses and connections, then pressure test it, or have it tested. Hydrocarbon test is also helpful.
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Old Nov 13, 2013 | 03:00 PM
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Ok ill just have the pressure tested and get it changed too. Thanks
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Old Nov 18, 2013 | 01:25 PM
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Yeah, It seems for sure like a coolant seal problem, as everyone has said, but if that doesn't seem to fix the problem, your block might be bad.
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