Overheating problem
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So i have a 95 rx7 and have had an issue arise twice. under normal driving conditions the car will all of sudden heat up and start steaming from the overflow tank. it happened one time i inspected the tank and it was cracked so i treid to fix it but it happend again. also the gauge shoots up to about almost the red but i always manage to turn it off before it reaches it and i let it cool off, but does the overheating cause damage to the engine? any advice or solutions are very much appreciated and thank you for your time
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If you have anything in your cooling system cracking, replace it. Dont try to fix it, leaky cooling systems spill coolant out, and lets air in, witch leads to more problems, check out the classified section for any parts you may need, Your cooling system has to be leak free, as its designed to hold pressure.
Ensure your coolant is full when the car is cold, and Start it, watch and make sure your fans are coming on when your thermostat opens. If not, you have a fan relay or heat switch problem, if it overheats and your radiator stays cool, your thermostat may be stuck shut, if all fails,
your sending unit needs to be replaced. Cooling systems are fairly basic if you do your reading, theirs lots of info available here, i recommend installing an aftermarket temp gauge, higher accuracy, more dependability, good luck
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Ensure your coolant is full when the car is cold, and Start it, watch and make sure your fans are coming on when your thermostat opens. If not, you have a fan relay or heat switch problem, if it overheats and your radiator stays cool, your thermostat may be stuck shut, if all fails,
your sending unit needs to be replaced. Cooling systems are fairly basic if you do your reading, theirs lots of info available here, i recommend installing an aftermarket temp gauge, higher accuracy, more dependability, good luck
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good advice to go ahead and replace it, even a radiator thats leaking once it reaches temp it pulls in air, which leads to air bubbling in the system, which causes more overheating issues
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if your fans work though you can also help prolong the use of a leaky radiator, but if the fans arent working you will overheat. check for as said before stuck/malfunctioning thermostat and that you have fluid! does anyone know at what temp the fans kick on? I was thinking around 180-190
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yea I think thermostat opens at about 80-82degrees celcius in a normal situation.
I'm having a similar problem, I've replaced pressure caps & replaced coolant and bled system up then when I ran engine it warmed up but thermostat didn't seem to open till way too late and the fan came on but by then it had got too hot and pushed the water out of the overflow bottle. I did the champagne test with a funnel after that when the engine was cold again and didn't get small bubbles at all just a few big ones which I'm guessing was from the loss of water?
Any thoughts would be awesome. Im thinking new thermostat.
I'm having a similar problem, I've replaced pressure caps & replaced coolant and bled system up then when I ran engine it warmed up but thermostat didn't seem to open till way too late and the fan came on but by then it had got too hot and pushed the water out of the overflow bottle. I did the champagne test with a funnel after that when the engine was cold again and didn't get small bubbles at all just a few big ones which I'm guessing was from the loss of water?
Any thoughts would be awesome. Im thinking new thermostat.
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So i have a 95 rx7 and have had an issue arise twice. under normal driving conditions the car will all of sudden heat up and start steaming from the overflow tank...... . also the gauge shoots up to about almost the red .... any advice or solutions are very much appreciated and thank you for your time
The stock thermoswitch on the FD had a threshold temperature of 108 C. (~225 F.) but a common modification was to replace that thermoswitch with one from the S5 RX7 which has a threshold of 95 C. (~205 F.) It was an inexpensive plug-n-play swap with much more of a margin for safety.
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..... I'm having a similar problem, I've replaced pressure caps & replaced coolant and bled system up then when I ran engine it warmed up but thermostat didn't seem to open till way too late and the fan came on but by then it had got too hot and pushed the water out of the overflow bottle. I did the champagne test with a funnel after that when the engine was cold again and didn't get small bubbles at all just a few big ones which I'm guessing was from the loss of water?
Any thoughts would be awesome. Im thinking new thermostat.
Any thoughts would be awesome. Im thinking new thermostat.
A coolant seal failure is a common problem....at least in the FDs of which I'm familiar. IMO it's the price for forced induction. Boost is power. More power= more heat= more stress. NA rotarys have the problem, but AFAIK, not nearly as soon as the FDs.
Still, before doing anything, make sure you have a failed seal. Besides the 'Champagne test" these are all the symtoms I can think of... but no single symtom by itself is confirmation. Many symtoms could be from other causes. However the more symtoms/conditions you have in combination, the more likely it is a coolant seal failure.........
*Stumbling idle on cold start-up that clears up quickly. The combustion chamber is fouled with coolant. As soon as it's purged or burned up, your car will run fine until the next cold start.
*Slightly sweet exhaust smell, especially on start-up. See above. Coolant is being burned and it has a distinctive smell.
*"White smoke" (steam) on cold start-up even in warm/hot weather. See above.
*A coolant over-flow tank that is over-flowing. This will usually result in a puddle under the car near the right front...the area of the over-flow tank. When coolant gets hot it expands and that's what the overflow tank is for. But with a failed seal the nature vacuum that forms and pulls that coolant back out as the engine cools down is lost. That leaves that coolant stranded in the tank and eventually it overflows.
*Coolant loss that isn't explained by a puddle on your garage floor. It's being consumed by the engine and going out the exhaust.
*Spiking temps that seemingly recover on their own almost as quickly. Air pockets in the cooling system allow steam to form. That will cause temp spiking. This is different than a rising temp just after a period of hard boost. It can happen as your steadily cruising down the highway.
*Boiling sounds after shut down even shortly after properly "burping" the system. See above.
*Failed coolant system pressure test.
*Failed test of coolant for hydrocarbons.
*Unusually clean plugs, or wet plugs if you pull them right away after starting the car. (Sometimes you can even smell the coolant)
*One or more episodes of serious overheating in the car's history regardless of miles. (from what I've read, 115 C./240 F. seems to be the critical number for OEM seals to begin to degrade)
*An otherwise well maintained and cared-for FD approaching 100K miles or so.
As for a bandaid, some have used one of the many "Stop-Leak" coolant additives to give them a bit more time but use at your own risk. While it's not anything that will leave you on the side of the road, a failed coolant seal can lead to errosion/rust/pitting of the coolant seal grooves in the irons. That can cause a junk iron and make the inevitiable rebuild more expensive.
Still, before doing anything, make sure you have a failed seal. Besides the 'Champagne test" these are all the symtoms I can think of... but no single symtom by itself is confirmation. Many symtoms could be from other causes. However the more symtoms/conditions you have in combination, the more likely it is a coolant seal failure.........
*Stumbling idle on cold start-up that clears up quickly. The combustion chamber is fouled with coolant. As soon as it's purged or burned up, your car will run fine until the next cold start.
*Slightly sweet exhaust smell, especially on start-up. See above. Coolant is being burned and it has a distinctive smell.
*"White smoke" (steam) on cold start-up even in warm/hot weather. See above.
*A coolant over-flow tank that is over-flowing. This will usually result in a puddle under the car near the right front...the area of the over-flow tank. When coolant gets hot it expands and that's what the overflow tank is for. But with a failed seal the nature vacuum that forms and pulls that coolant back out as the engine cools down is lost. That leaves that coolant stranded in the tank and eventually it overflows.
*Coolant loss that isn't explained by a puddle on your garage floor. It's being consumed by the engine and going out the exhaust.
*Spiking temps that seemingly recover on their own almost as quickly. Air pockets in the cooling system allow steam to form. That will cause temp spiking. This is different than a rising temp just after a period of hard boost. It can happen as your steadily cruising down the highway.
*Boiling sounds after shut down even shortly after properly "burping" the system. See above.
*Failed coolant system pressure test.
*Failed test of coolant for hydrocarbons.
*Unusually clean plugs, or wet plugs if you pull them right away after starting the car. (Sometimes you can even smell the coolant)
*One or more episodes of serious overheating in the car's history regardless of miles. (from what I've read, 115 C./240 F. seems to be the critical number for OEM seals to begin to degrade)
*An otherwise well maintained and cared-for FD approaching 100K miles or so.
As for a bandaid, some have used one of the many "Stop-Leak" coolant additives to give them a bit more time but use at your own risk. While it's not anything that will leave you on the side of the road, a failed coolant seal can lead to errosion/rust/pitting of the coolant seal grooves in the irons. That can cause a junk iron and make the inevitiable rebuild more expensive.
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Thanks Sgtblue for the info and the heads up. I have since replaced the thermostat which stopped it overheating but then it got to running temp. and I ran it for a while, didn't really overheat at all but fans never kicked in like they did when it got hot last time, almost like thermo switch might be playing up now. It did still push some water into the overflow, not enough to come out on the floor but enough for me to still suspect the coolant seals might be gone.
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