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Old 01-13-12, 07:52 PM
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Based on what I searched the only fix to a coolant seal leak is a total rebuild. My question is how often do coolant seals go bad, and what causes it in the first place. Thanks
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The there are a number of reasons coolant seals can go bad. A big cause is overheating but, also age and simply mileage can cause it. Usually the tell tale sign is your coolant reservoir barfing coolant. This happens because the exhaust gasses from your engine get pushed into the cooling system.

Also yes, the only fix is to do a rebuild.
watch Aaron Cakes 13b rebuild video, that will show you the coolant seals in the engine.
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Originally Posted by k4killer
The there are a number of reasons coolant seals can go bad. A big cause is overheating but, also age and simply mileage can cause it. Usually the tell tale sign is your coolant reservoir barfing coolant. This happens because the exhaust gasses from your engine get pushed into the cooling system.

Also yes, the only fix is to do a rebuild.
watch Aaron Cakes 13b rebuild video, that will show you the coolant seals in the engine.
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Originally Posted by 11Banger
..... My question is how often do coolant seals go bad, and what causes it in the first place. Thanks
See the underlined text below....

Originally Posted by Sgtblue
A coolant seal failure is a common problem....at least in the FDs of which I'm familiar. IMO it's the price for forced induction. Boost is power. More power= more heat= more stress. NA rotarys have the problem, but AFAIK, not nearly as soon (in terms of mileage) as the FDs.
Still, before doing anything, make sure you have a failed seal. Besides the 'Champagne test" these are all the symtoms I can think of... but no single symtom by itself is confirmation. Many symtoms could be from other causes. However the more symtoms/conditions you have in combination, the more likely it is a coolant seal failure.........

*Stumbling idle on cold start-up that clears up quickly. The combustion chamber is fouled with coolant. As soon as it's purged or burned up, your car will run fine until the next cold start.
*Slightly sweet exhaust smell, especially on start-up. See above. Coolant is being burned and it has a distinctive smell.
*"White smoke" (steam) on cold start-up even in warm/hot weather. See above.
*A coolant over-flow tank that is over-flowing. This will usually result in a puddle under the car near the right front...the area of the over-flow tank. When coolant gets hot it expands and that's what the overflow tank is for. But with a failed seal the nature vacuum that forms and pulls that coolant back out as the engine cools down is lost. That leaves that coolant stranded in the tank and eventually it overflows.
*Coolant loss that isn't explained by a puddle on your garage floor. It's being consumed by the engine and going out the exhaust.
*Spiking temps that seemingly recover on their own almost as quickly. Air pockets in the cooling system allow steam to form. That will cause temp spiking. This is different than a rising temp just after a period of hard boost. It can happen as your steadily cruising down the highway.
*Boiling sounds after shut down even shortly after properly "burping" the system. See above.
*Failed coolant system pressure test.
*Failed test of coolant for hydrocarbons.
*Unusually clean plugs, or wet plugs if you pull them right away after starting the car. (Sometimes you can even smell the coolant)
*One or more episodes of serious overheating in the car's history regardless of miles. (from what I've read, 115 C./240 F. seems to be the critical number for OEM seals to begin to degrade)

*An otherwise well-maintained and cared-for FD approaching 100K miles or so.


As for a bandaid, some have used one of the many "Stop-Leak" coolant additives to give them a bit more time but use at your own risk. While it's not anything that will leave you on the side of the road, a failed coolant seal can lead to errosion/rust/pitting of the coolant seal grooves in the irons. That can cause a junk iron and make the inevitiable rebuild more expensive.

A detailed explanation of 'why' heat can be a problem is complicated, involving the number of combustion events per e-haft revolution...even the shape of the combustion chamber. But heat is an issue with any rotary...especially when turbocharged. And it's what ultimately kills coolant seals.
FWIW, AI (Auxillary Injection) has been found to be very effective at prolonging the life of coolant seals by removing alot of that heat. There's an Auxillary Injection section on the forum with stickys from a big-brain that explains how it does that. Good read.
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