sup fellas,

i'm the lucky bastard that gets to swap in a 13BRE into my brother's 94 FD. Basically i want this done before the 27th of December when my brother gets here from the Navy.

i've talked to a couple people about doing this before getting started and i know it's been done before so i'm up for the challenge. basically i was wondering if i could get some information from some of the more technical members that have done this swap before in hopes that i may get some advice/tips that saves me time and helps this go a lot more smoothly.

i'm pretty mechanically inclined and i've done many crazy swaps over the past decade like vg30e into an 87 rx7, ls2 into a 95 240sx, all the SR20 and RB swaps in every nissan chassis just about including the hardbody nissan pickup truck. i also wired up Bustadog's Microtec on his 20b FD. my specialty is wiring so if you guys know of any wiring i need to do to make this work that'd be appreciated so i can start gathering information.

we have a very good fabricator at the shop so the motor mounts and intercooler piping won't be a problem. i've already got the motor fit into the engine bay and i was able to use the FD's oil cooler lines even though the BRE has m16x1.5 threads for the oil line on the timing cover where as the BREW has m18x1.5 banjo bolt. basically i found a long enough m16 banjo bolt with big enough crush washers to seal.

the next opsticle is the power steering/ac bracket. my bro's gonna be in san diego for a while and he's really insistant on having the ac, so i'm contimplating using the FD ac compressor and p/s pump and altering the BRE bracket so it'll bolt to the motor. or just using all the BRE accessories and modifying the lines. i'd rather not mess with getting the lines fabbed up but the BREW belts are poly groove whereas the BRE belts or single v-belts. that one's still in the air.

the FD this is all going into had a blown motor but a lot of bolt on goodies and although it would have made my millenia to just get a 13brew, drop it in there , and be done with it, i am unfortunately not that lucky lol. the deal was already made and the cosmo 13BRE /w 20k miles was already purchased.

He got the car for a pretty decent price and it came with a couple goodies: D-Jetro Power FC, Greddy Profec-B Spec 2 EBC, Tein Coil Overs all around, a 62-1 in good condition with i believe a turbosmart 45mm external wg, 3" exhaust all the way back to a Racing beat muffler, an aeromotive FPR, GReddy FMIC, a gay HKS ssqv (i hate those dog toys), a Koyo radiator, and some cheap pillar mount ricer guages and a couple other big woopty doo at least it's better than stock accessories.

sorry for the novel but i appreciate you all's time and help. if there's any other brick walls i'll be running into please share.

i know the BRE has a CAS and the BREW has a trigger wheel. any suggestions for that hurdle?

thanks in advance,
Dave

 

I would look into stripping down the 13b-re block and installing all of the 13b-REW accessories onto it. I don't know what all that entails but it's got to be better documented and easier to troubleshoot.

 

ya i was thinking as much, so far i swapped the water pump assemblies on the front timing covers so we're back to REW on that end.

any other things fellas?

Dave

 

I don't know enough about the various block designs to help you further. Definitely keep looking into it. If there is a mismatch in cooling passages, intake, exhaust, etc you'll need to know and fix it.

Dave

 

i think i know you. you work at lethal injection? i was there when steve kan was there. im the guy with the silver FD.

anyway, why do you want to put an RE motor in? the gains(if any) are minimal over the REW. and the REW simply bolts in.

 

ya, whassup masin =]

my brother hates me i guess. he couldn't just get an REW. he had to punish me with unneeded brain usage and various fabrications.

ya i talked to steve kan the other day about the cam angle sensor instead of the trigger wheel like the REW and we talked about the timing etc.

steve's got an RE in his FD so he was really helpful. he saved me a lot of time already.

my bro had already got the RE motor otherwise i would've got an REW and been done with it.

we're making pretty good headway on the swap. i have to modify his custom fuel rail to fit from the REW to the RE, but that's not a huge ordeal.

masin since the last time you came to Lethal we hired my boy Kyle which is teh masta tig/mig/stick welder/fabricator. if we didn't have him here i would've had my bro sell the RE and got the REW cause it wouldn't have happened with MY welding skills or lack thereof hahha.

all in all tho i like the challenge. if it can be done, we can do it. i'll keep ya posted and maybe i'll start taking step by step pics so someone else won't have to pioneer it on their own time/dime.

take care

Dave @ Lethal Injection

 

here's some updates/pics i took today

here's the measurement in MM of the bigger ports on the 13B-REW using a cheap set of digital calipers (aka don't write the measurement in stone but it's pretty close)


here's the measurement of the smaller REW ports


here's the measurement of all the ports on a 13b-RE


here's the 13b-RE sitting in the 1994 FD engine bay. i know u like that football gasket i made


here's the crossmember modification so the 13b-RE's oil pan didn't hit the subframe


here's one of the motor mounts you'll need to put a 13b-RE into your FD. pay no attention to the sexy 280z it's resting upon


another pic of the mount


a closer shot of the mount


Dave

 

a pic of the FD on the lift


and another, nice tail lights, and on the left is my new tool box , had to label all the drawers with stickers so when someone needs something i can tell them which drawer it's in. (sometimes it sux having the good tools, everyone except you is always using em >_<)


parts on the ground


his turbonetics 62-1 before i cleaned it


and after. btw they have a 62mm inducer and 88mm exducer for the compressor wheel (in case u wondered, i measured it while i had it off)


i'll take more pics as the progress continues. i have a good feeling we'll have it done by the 27th when my bro gets to GA

take care,

Dave @ Lethal

 

another pic of the FD on the lift *wink pay no attention to that GT40 on that Z28 /w 345's on the back :P


got bored so took some ETC pics :P

here's Bustadog's 20b FD /w GT42


got boost?


Elian's Porsche 944, awesome porsche motor


a Pic of that beautiful rare porsche LS1 limited edition


lol i couldn't resist. i'll stop threadjacking my own thread.

more pics of the 13b-RE FD to come

Dave @ Lethal Injeciton Motorsports
770-343-9969

 

My brother is Z U L8R.

lol, I don't know why he keeps making it seem like it's my FAULT that he is having to do an RE in my FD...hahaha..

It was HIS idea!

BAH!

hahahaha.....

The car looks even better than the previous owner's pictures.

I can't wait to come home next week!

Wooooooooooo!!!

^_^

 

Nice. I'm hoping to have an fd very soon. Then I will be off to mod town like this lol.

 

we're not that far from FL hrmm hrmm ^_^

i got the REW accessory bracket to bolt up by simply removing the top stud on the RE's timing cover. that was an easy one.

then i put the REW's crank pulley's on


after i made the RE's timing marks into it, like so


so now the motor looks something like this


since the car has an aeromotive FPR and bigger secondaries it was time to get rid of the g4y stocker crap. we had to mod the fuel rail from the REW and make it about an inch shorter and give it some mounting tabs, like so

and


once that was taken care of, i bolted up the shiney turbo and ran into an issue with the plumbing, ie the oil return flange where it meets the motor and also the return hose just didn't reach so i needed a new longer piece of -10 steel braided hose. the 2 bolt flange on the front of the motor on the REW has the holes close to each other where as the RE's are farther apart. so we made a flange and welded a -10 steel fitting to it, voila


then i found some free time to take more whorish pics of stuff around the shop like this sexy JDM carbeurated 12A-T motorset we have

and

and


some people don't even know that motor even existed....now ya do

i'll post more pics as i make more headway. i need to make a block off plate for the lower intake manifold still, and i moved the IAT from the underside of the REW upper intake to what was a banjo'd air bung on the underside of the RE's upper intake manifold. the threads were the same too

take it ez,
Dave =]

 

here's a pic of the REW's IAT in the RE upper intake


here's today's progress

and


the next 2 days i'll be cleaning up the wiring harness and making it sexy, then gonna freshen up the intercooler piping cause it wasn't that great before.

more pics and vids to come. we still gotta strap this puppy to the dyno and tune the power FC =]

Dave

 

This thread is awesome. It should probably be moved though to a Thread topic that has to do with other rotary engine conversions.

My brother is so awesome.

XD

 

Bump!

This thread is great, but it probably should be moved.

My brother is a baddass, I know. ^_^

 

What do you guys charge for PFC tuning? Do you offer it to others than your brother I am down there at Road Atlanta alot, and need a new tune in my FD

Nice work BTW, Very nice brother to do this for him. I am rebuilding a FD for a Speacial forces Army guy that just got back from his 4th tour!! Pro-bono of course. I can sacrifice the time

And is that the 12A Turbo from the FB in Japan only? Very nice piece.
Dave

 

thx dave, ya it is the JDM only 12A, carbeurated and turbo for only 3 years heh. we have a DUAL eddy mustang 1750 dyno that will handle 2500hp and go 250mph in house. you can run the 1/4 mile on it, it'll tell you your ET, trap speed, 60foot etc etc. We are also one of the few Apexi Power Exel dealers in the country, therefore we have the Exel software so we can utilize EVERY feature of the power fc that others cannot touch without. PM sent for tune info

more pics
here's the 13b-RE accessory bracket with my finger as the ruler. pay attention to the hole by the tip of my finger




here's the 13b-REW accessory bracket. notice the top hole is farther up



here's the stud you remove from the RE's timing cover to use the REW's bracket



this is what rx7 guys refer to as the "rats nest"



you get to delete all this crap when you get rid of the stock sequential twin turbo set up and either run the twins together or go single turbo. luckily we have the single 62-1



here's the the motor looks like without the rats nest under the upper intake. you can see just how clean this RE motor is by seeing how nice the stock Oil metering lines are if you look closely



here's the uber restrictive brick wall 90 degree coupler that definately HAD TO GO



here's all the other couplers it had. those going in the trash too. aside from there being too damn many of them, some were dry rotted and cracking



and Kyle's sexy new and improved piping that fits under the hood support rod (unlike before) as well as the cold side which snakes nicely under the strut bar, along with upgraded 3 ply couplers instead of 1 or zero ply it had before



and a side shot





more pics to come. since the whole plan was to get this thing running, tuned, and on the road by December 27th when my brother gets here from his ship in Maine (which is like a week away) it'll stay like this.



once he goes back to base i wanna send the turbo exhaust side, the manifold, the down pipe, all the intercooler piping as well as the intake manifold to our high temp coaters. that stuff is so BALLER! it's like heat wrapping your stuff without the expensive heat wrap and it looks like this


continued.....

 

this is the GT30/76R'd 2007 s2000 stuff we're wrapping up at the moment. still waiting on a couple odds and ends


a close up of the turbo's exhaust housing


and a close up of the manifold



here's the fmic piping and intake snorkel Kyle made for it, magazine quality


ceramic coating is teh sex!
more pics of the RE FD to come,


Dave @ Lethal Injection Motorsports

770-343-9969 shop

 

Sorry to ask a stupid question/threadjack, but what is the diff between RE's and REW's?

 

without writing a novel and just scratching the surface: there is a lot of differences, but in a nutshell as far as performance goes, the RE's have bigger intake ports, and come with bigger turbo's than the REW stock, and because of the bigger ports pound for pound, mod for mod, in comparison to an REW it'll make more power.

Dave

 

its funny how FD guys you the REW as parts for the RE while the FC guys use the T2 block for parts lmao!! GL with the project..btw no plans on a rebuil for the engine??

 

Great thread! cant wait to see finished pictures

 

Very impressive.

 

*UPDATE*

here's some more pics with the cowled fiberglass hood on (the hood is popped btw)



and the other side



and she lives

*VID* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2eyBRDu_SU *VID*

saturday we'll break it in a little on the dyno and work out any bugs, if all goes smoothly we'll tune it out and i'll post another dyno vid with more pics

thanks for the compliments, and reps , take it ez,

Dave @ Lethal Injection Motorsports

770-343-9969

 

I like the New mazda emblem's and the Tein Badge

Racing Beat Exhaust is gangsta as hell, looks stock and sounds good

here ya go Mikey

and

i like this one the best

but pick which one u like more i guess, looks way better with the front lip


Happy Hanukah

Dave =]