Just moved in NOVA
ArmitageGVR4 - i met you last time I was in Dulles. I'm the one who knew you from Oakland Acres with your galant...
I should hopefully have one of my RX's up to Dulles next time everybody meets..
I should hopefully have one of my RX's up to Dulles next time everybody meets..
I'll bring my FD out to some Dulles meets once I get a couple things sorted with it (and once the weather warms up a bit).
Where was the meet that the McDonalds pictures were taken at? Same Dulles meet?
Where was the meet that the McDonalds pictures were taken at? Same Dulles meet?
That looks like the McDonalds that's across from the BK meet out in Manassas. I think people hang out at both the BK and McDonalds.
When i first got my rx7 i went to the police department and talked with one of the cops and he pulled out the book and it does say its illegal to put on a louder exhaust but ive never gotten pulled over for it. I guess a lot of cops r lenient about it.
2) No, almost NO cops are lenient about it in Northern VA. One of the quickest and easiest tickets they can write. If you haven't gotten caught yet, it's cuz they're too busy w/ the plethora of speeders we have, that's all
Give it time...haha
Can a Maryland plated car get a ticket for that in Northern VA? Or is it that I need to abide by the statutes of the area my car is registered to? (I've heard plenty of horror stories about the NoVA popo, so I avoid driving there like the plauge. Unfortunately it seems like some of the larger meets are there as well...)
Eg: DC doesn't require front tags, but if you have a VA vehicle and are driving in DC, a DC cop can ticket you for no front tags. I know; I've gotten this ticket TWICE.
Likewise, you can be in MD with a VA vehicle and get ticketed for an aftermarket exhaust. It doesn't happen often, but it's definitely possible.
~Ramy
I don't run front plates at the moment, so I've known I may get grabbed for that. I don't think Maryland has any "NO CATBACK EVER" statutes on the books so I imagine I'll be fine. Thanks for the info!
The statue says
§ 22-402. Mufflers; prevention of noise; discharge of smoke; maximum period of idling.
(a) Mufflers.- Every motor vehicle with an internal combustion engine shall be equipped with an exhaust muffler system in good working order and in constant operation to prevent excessive or unusual noise, and no person may use a muffler cutout, bypass, or similar device on a motor vehicle on a highway. Noise levels in excess of those adopted by the Administrator under § 22-601 of this title are excessive.
(b) Prevention of noise.- A person may not use on the exhaust or "tail pipe" of a motor vehicle any extension or other device to cause excessive or unusual noise.
(c) Discharge of smoke; maximum period of idling.-
(1) No motor vehicle may be operated, nor may the owner or lessee of a motor vehicle permit it to be operated, on any highway in this State unless the engine power and exhaust mechanism is equipped, adjusted, and operated to prevent:
(i) The discharge of clearly visible smoke (comparable to smoke equal to or darker in shade than that designated as No. 1 of the Ringelmann Chart as published by the U.S. Bureau of Mines) in the exhaust emissions within the proximity of the exhaust outlet for more than 10 consecutive seconds; and
(ii) The discharge of smoke from any other part of the engine in such amounts and of such opacity as to partially obscure persons or objects from view.
(2) In this subsection, "smoke" means small gasborne and airborne particles, exclusive of water vapor, from a process of combustion in sufficient numbers to be observable.
(5) This subsection does not apply to Class L (historic) vehicles.
(d) "Muffler" defined.- In this section, "muffler" means a device designed for and effective in reducing noise while permitting the flow of gases.
(e) Leakproof construction.- All mufflers and exhaust pipes carrying exhaust gases from the motor shall be of leakproof construction.
[An. Code 1957, art. 661/2, § 12-402; 1977, ch. 14, § 2.]
my understanding is that aftermarkets are allowed just as long as they are not "excessivly" noisey (who determines that i have no idea) unlike in VA were all aftermarket catbacks are illegal.
§ 22-402. Mufflers; prevention of noise; discharge of smoke; maximum period of idling.
(a) Mufflers.- Every motor vehicle with an internal combustion engine shall be equipped with an exhaust muffler system in good working order and in constant operation to prevent excessive or unusual noise, and no person may use a muffler cutout, bypass, or similar device on a motor vehicle on a highway. Noise levels in excess of those adopted by the Administrator under § 22-601 of this title are excessive.
(b) Prevention of noise.- A person may not use on the exhaust or "tail pipe" of a motor vehicle any extension or other device to cause excessive or unusual noise.
(c) Discharge of smoke; maximum period of idling.-
(1) No motor vehicle may be operated, nor may the owner or lessee of a motor vehicle permit it to be operated, on any highway in this State unless the engine power and exhaust mechanism is equipped, adjusted, and operated to prevent:
(i) The discharge of clearly visible smoke (comparable to smoke equal to or darker in shade than that designated as No. 1 of the Ringelmann Chart as published by the U.S. Bureau of Mines) in the exhaust emissions within the proximity of the exhaust outlet for more than 10 consecutive seconds; and
(ii) The discharge of smoke from any other part of the engine in such amounts and of such opacity as to partially obscure persons or objects from view.
(2) In this subsection, "smoke" means small gasborne and airborne particles, exclusive of water vapor, from a process of combustion in sufficient numbers to be observable.
(5) This subsection does not apply to Class L (historic) vehicles.
(d) "Muffler" defined.- In this section, "muffler" means a device designed for and effective in reducing noise while permitting the flow of gases.
(e) Leakproof construction.- All mufflers and exhaust pipes carrying exhaust gases from the motor shall be of leakproof construction.
[An. Code 1957, art. 661/2, § 12-402; 1977, ch. 14, § 2.]
You have to read ALL the codes relating to exhausts to see just how narrow the definition gets.1) § 46.2-1048. Pollution control systems or devices.
No motor vehicle registered in the Commonwealth and manufactured for the model year 1973 or for subsequent model years shall be operated on the highways in the Commonwealth unless it is equipped with an air pollution control system, device, or combination of such systems or devices installed in accordance with federal laws and regulations.
It shall be unlawful for any person to operate a motor vehicle, as herein described, on the highways in the Commonwealth with its pollution control system or device removed or otherwise rendered inoperable.
It shall be unlawful for any person to operate on the highways in the Commonwealth a motor vehicle, as described in this section, equipped with any emission control system or device unless it is of a type installed as standard factory equipment, or comparable to that designed for use upon the particular vehicle as standard factory equipment.
No motor vehicle, as described in this section, shall be issued a safety inspection approval sticker unless it is equipped as provided under the foregoing provisions of this section or if it violates this section.
The provisions of this section shall not prohibit or prevent shop adjustments or replacements of equipment for maintenance or repair or the conversion of engines to low polluting fuels, such as, but not limited to, natural gas or propane, so long as such action does not degrade the antipollution capabilities of the vehicle power system.
(1972, c. 640, § 46.1-301.1; 1973, c. 5; 1989, c. 727.)
2) § 46.2-1049. Exhaust system in good working order.
No person shall drive and no owner of a vehicle shall permit or allow the operation of any such vehicle on a highway unless it is equipped with an exhaust system in good working order and in constant operation to prevent excessive or unusual levels of noise; provided however, that for motor vehicles, such exhaust system shall be of a type installed as standard factory equipment, or comparable to that designed for use on the particular vehicle as standard factory equipment. An exhaust system shall not be deemed to prevent excessive or unusual noise if it permits the escape of noise in excess of that permitted by the standard factory equipment exhaust system of private passenger motor vehicles or trucks of standard make.
The term "exhaust system," as used in this section, means all the parts of a vehicle through which the exhaust passes after leaving the engine block, including mufflers and other sound dissipative devices.
Chambered pipes are not an effective muffling device to prevent excessive or unusual noise, and any vehicle equipped with chambered pipes shall be deemed in violation of this section.
(Code 1950, § 46-305; 1952, c. 455; 1956, c. 651; 1958, c. 541, § 46.1-301; 1960, c. 120; 1970, c. 266; 1972, c. 66; 1989, c. 727; 2006, cc. 529, 538.)
***Please note that the italicized portion refers to a comparison in noise reduction ONLY. So if it isn't louder than OEM, it can't be cited for being "excessively loud." But it can STILL be cited for being "non-OEM" or "not comparable to OEM"***
Of course, the clincher is that Officers are "Expert Witnesses" so their testimony is considered "Expert Testimony." So no matter HOW *subjective* "similar to OEM" may seem, if on that particular day, at that particular location, at that particular time, the cop deems your exhaust to not be "comparable enough" to OEM, that's ALL he has to say, and all of a sudden, the burden of proof shifts from the Commonwealth to YOU, the Defendant. YOU are now Guilty UNTIL *PROVEN* innocent, because you must now PROVE your exhaust is "similar to OEM," which is quite a daunting task.
~Ramy
Im not trying to get in a pissing match, im just curious now.
Sorry for giving ya that impression in the first place.~Ramy