Grizzly

I am looking for an Ecu set up to replace my current one.

It has come down to ither the Microtech or Motech, the thing is the Motech is a little out of my price range.

I own a 20B Turbo and what ever i get it must have the following happy to run a Triple,split ignition,Omp driver and its own wiring harness.

What model do you recomend i look at and what sort of price in the US do they go for?

Thanks.

Chris

kabooski

wait a few months
there working on OMP control


Thats a BIG leap there
from Microtech to Motec

It's like deciding between The New Mini Cooper
or a Mercedes



If you got that much cash for a Motec then an extra $700 to Unlock some extra capabilities
and pay a High Priced tuner (Trust me Motec tuners don't charge cheap) Then go for the Motec without a doubt!

It has the best dataloging capabilities of any EMS

No7Yet

Not to mention the best fuel injector resolution of any EMS... at 0.0001 ms!



Brandon

10sec rx7

Motec and Microtech are 2 totally different ECU's motec is aimed at the top level racer who needs everything and mircotech is aimed at the person with a budget that wants a ecu that works well and will run a few extras,

OMP is less than 2 months away from what i have been told, Anthony R knows how to wire around this issue..

The Microtech LTX12 is the ecu that you would go for, 6 ingnation outputs ( and 6 bosch coil packs) and 6 injector outputs capabable running up to 24 injectors, it will do leading/trailing split, use all your factory ignation pickups and sensors and comes with its own wiring harness,

all this for around the $1500au mark which is under $1000us dollers.
hope this helps

Dale

Grizzly

Ok, I'm in the Uk where there is very few Rx tuners to start with.

I have a Option Microtech seems to be the Cheapest at Roughly $1000 then theres Haltech's E11 (that i'm running at the moment and not having fun with) $1200 then there is the Motech which is a masive jump to around the $3700 mark

Unfortunatly i do have a buget and could not just go out and Buy a Motech so i have to look at all the other Possable alternatives.

Chris

Grizzly

10sec rx7, Will the OMP driver be an upgrade for the LTX12 or will it be a complete new EMS?

I have been looking about and the Big drag guys from the US and Aus seem to be using ither Motech or Microtech i dont see Haltech used much? is this becouse the E6K is geting old now and the E11 is not proven?

I have had a look at Pac's site and they use Microtech's on all there cars including there drag cars. This alone is a good Advert for the EMS, the problem is theres this little voice saying "go on get the Motech" even thought i know its the Best i cant justifiy spending twice the amount of money on 1 EMS. As you say its mainly the Racers and Pro Drag teams that use the Motech.

Chris

Flint

I'm in a simliar position to Chris.

My FD will be 20B-powered within the next 4-6 weeks. I was all set to go with an E11 but the seemingly endless problems people are reporting on HaltechSupport (due to it being such a new product) are really scaring me - hence looking at the Microtech LTX12 now.

My 2 main concerns with the Microtech are:

1) OMP support
2) Number of auxillary inputs/outputs

I'll want to control water injection, read a (e.g. FJO) wideband input, quite like a flat shift facility etc etc.

What 'spare' outputs/inputs does the LTX12 have, just one like the MTX? In which case controlling the fans for e.g. would use that up? Dale - when u say Anthony can wire around this - presumably this would use 'the' aux out?

Rich
(also in the UK and annoyed at the non-existent choice of Rotary tuners :-( )

10sec rx7

None of the top rotary drag racers use motec here in australia, 80% of them use microtech, no one, not one top rotary uses haltec, most of the circut racers use the motec.

Im pretty sure the OMP will be a upgrade but the ecu will need to be sent back to microtech to get the upgrade, i know they have some working on some FD's now for testing, so it wont be far away at all.

OMP support will not be far away, there is only one output at the moment, you can get the LTX12 custom made with wideband support using a LSM11 sensor, flat shift can be done using the aux input, you set a aux input rev limit and away you go,

im not 100% sure how anthony does this, i will have to ask him,

Dale

rxeng

All the guys in the UK.Get in contact with Pip at WGT Auto Developments.
I just sent him 7 Microtech units last week.One for his own 20b PP race car.
He has fully dyno facilities in house also.

Flint.
Microtech can add extra outputs for you if you require them as a special order.
The OMP is currently working on the new test unit that I'm helping develop as we speak.Still about 2 months away from production at least.All older model units will be upgradeable to this feature.
All LTX12's can be ordered wideband a/f logging
Jon

Flint

Yeah, Chris knows Pip well. And I'd use him to tune my car more than likely.

It's the timing though thats the problem for me mainly; my 20B conversion is set to kick off in 2 weeks (workshop time booked). Kind of need an ECU soon after that! In the event that every thing goes to plan I'd have to wait around for however long waiting for the OMP support to go live. I guess we could sort some thing else out in the mean time but that would be false economy....

Any ideas what a 'cutom' computer with additional outputs would cost? And more to the point, why dont they make them all like that? unless its seriously tricky - in which case the 'custom' route would probably be cost prohibiting?

Rich
UK

10sec rx7

90% of the people over here that require ecus dont require any extra outputs, they make a ecu that is great value for money and too keep things at a good price they have limited the outputs etc,
Jon will be able to give you full pricing on a custom unit,

Dale

Flint

Umm....very good point.

If it werent for the OMP issue I'd probably have ordered already, I only really NEED one output - to fire WI. Any thing else I could learn to live without or sort some other way considering the more than reasonable cost!

Rich

Grizzly

you could run a old S4 Mech type Omp?

Chris

10sec rx7

The s4 mech is a option as is pre mix,
the OMP stuff is well under way, if you can hold off for a little while you can get a ecu that will run it, if you want one straight away then the s4 omp, premix or a electic pump from a 2 stroke tank are the only options.

Dale

rxeng

I have a unit with the OMP running.It is still about 2 months away from production as i said,however if you bought a unit now you could have it sent back in 2 months to be upgraded with the new features.
I don't even think the motec can support the OMP.As far as i know the only aftermarket ECU to do it is the Peter Farrell unit which only holds it on 50% all the time anyway.
Getting the pump to do this is easy.Inside the pump there is a plate that travels around 8mm from full closed to full open which is controlled by the computer.All you have to do is machine up a spacer around 4mm thick and it will give you the same result as the farrell unit.
I have done this on heaps of cars & not had a problem whatsoever.
Jon

Flint

I think you're right about the MoTeC Jon, I guy over here has just fitted an M800 to his FD and it runs the stock ECU still to control the OMP....

Thanks for the OMP-related ideas, I'll have a think about it and talk to my car guy tonight.

For the money though there's not really any competition at the moment.

Rich

Grizzly

? S**t the Motech does'nt suport an Omp?

Chris

Flint

Nope, the M800 at least from what I've heard. Phil G runs his stock ECU for OMP control as I said and he's pretty clued up on the MoTeC. I recall reading some where that MoTeC were building the software to support OMP a (long) while back, probably about the same time they were going to write their Windows software?! :-)

Dunno about the M4?? GaryM will be able to tell us...but you'd presume they'd work from the top of the pile downward. Have to say I've never heard Gary mention premixing but then may be he runs a stock unit too????

I've all but ordered my LTX now any ways. I've concluded that:

a) the M800 is overkill (esp. $$$££'s) for my purposes (i.e. quick street/strip/occassional track day car)
b) the E11 isnt in a state to reliably run **** at the moment and the support, well Haltech just arent interseted from what I can gather
c) there are people I'd trust to tune the Microtech here

Was talking to 'some one' today, they were saying that a few guys in Aus very close to Microtech were planning to tackle the UK EMS market properly in the near future.....interesting to see if that develops :-)

Rich
UK

rxeng

The biggest Microtech guy in the UK is Pip at WGT Auto Developments.
He's way ahead of anyone else with the system at the moment.I have been working closely with him in the last few months to get the Microtech up & running over there & will be doing a trip over there in the not too distant future to do some set ups on some cars & make sure they have it all under control.
Jon

Flint

Excellent news.

Jon - do you know Tim Possingham, ex-owner of RPM?

Rich

Spool Up

are there any microtech tuners in Houston, Austin area.

rxeng

Yes I know Tim.
We are both extremely good friends & go back a long way.One of the nicest guys you will ever meet

Flint

That's good to know. The guy that is doing my conversion gets his (my) stuff from Tim (HP in a Box as he is now). Just bunged him the cash for my turbo, bov's, wastegate, LTX12+bits, fuel system :-)

Rich

rx7_turbo2

I have yet to buy anything from Tim, but will be in the very near future, he has always been extemely helpfull, and if I send him an email he responds within a couple hours everytime.

Great Guy.

Cheers