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Old 12-19-08, 06:27 PM
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Can someone write me a tune???

hey everyone,

just done a bit of work to my car. its a series 4 turboII with 13bt mildport 3mm mazda seals.

the work i have done includes:

-T04z BB garret turbo .70, 1.00 split pulse rear (38mm wastegate with sccrreeammer!)
-microtech mtx8
-1600 secondaries 1000 primaries
-bosch 044 with malpassi rising rate fuel reg (with the surge tank yada yada)
-front mount intercooler
-alloy radiator with thermos
-turbosmart boost T

now.. is there any possibly way one of u techs could write me a tune? which i can then program into my microtech?

i have the handset but do not understand at all how to operate it, my mates got the microtech software on his laptop, we just need a connector.

is there someway one of u could write a tune, which i can enter via the laptop? i guess its not all that simple, but if someone is running a similar setup to me, they could give me theres and i can try that. its just my tuner shut shop and dont have a dyno anymore.. ide prob want boost at around 14-16psi

ive listed most of the mods, i think thats all of them which are vital to the operation of the motor/microtech.

would be great if this is could be done asap, car has been off the road far too long and i really wanna drive it again..

i guess it will never be 100% perfect unless it goes on a dyno, but i dont want to push it more than 300-315hp cus motor is not dowelled

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Idle Map
Screen 1

30" ~ .95
25" ~ .95
20" ~ 1.14
15" ~ 1.44
10" ~ 1.71
05" ~ 1.91
00" ~ 2.14
2-20psi ~ 4.95

Load Map
Screen 3

30" ~ 0.95
25" ~ 0.95
20" ~ 1.13
15" ~ 1.44
10" ~ 1.81
05" ~ 2.24
00" ~ 2.56
2psi ~ 2.2
4psi ~ 3.4
6psi ~ 3.9
8psi ~ 4.6
10psi ~ 5.1
14psi ~ 5.7
16psi ~ 6.0
18psi ~ 6.6
20psi ~ 7.1

RPMwot Map Screen 17

5000 ~ 05
5500 ~ 08
6000 ~ 08
6500 ~ 10
7000 ~ 11
7500 ~ 11
8000 ~ 11
9000 ~ 12

The rest are zero

RPMcrs Screen 18

1000 ~ -12
1500 ~ -11
2000 ~ -12

THe rest are zero



Pump Map
Screen 19

Pump2Start ~ 2000
Pump1Amt ~ 15
Pump1Pulse ~ 04
Pump1Trig ~ 10
Pump1Stop ~ 00
Pump1Adv ~ 05

Pump2Time ~ 10
Pump2Amt ~ 30
Pump2Trig ~ 16
Pump2Stop ~ 00
Pump2Adv ~ 05

PumpDwell ~ 3.00
PumpTimers ~ No
Pump1Sync ~ No
PumpSpare ~ 00
PumpCold ~ 00

Water Map
Screen 20

-25 ~ 0
-17 ~ 70
-9 ~ 60
-01 ~ 50
05 ~ 45
11 ~ 45
18 ~ 42
24 ~ 34
31 ~ 26
38 ~ 24
46 ~ 19
60 ~ 12
68 ~ 06
82 ~ 0
99 ~ 0
124 ~ 0

Air_t Map
Screen 21

-25 ~ 0
-17 ~ 8
-9 ~ 6
-1 ~ 5
5 ~ 4
11 ~ 3
18 ~ 3
24 ~ 0
31 ~ 0
38 ~ 0
46 ~ 0
60 ~ 0
68 ~ 0
82 ~ 0
99 ~ 0
124 ~ 0

Crank Map
Screen 22

-25 ~ 72
-17 ~ 72
-9 ~ 72
-1 ~ 67
5 ~ 62
11 ~ 57
18 ~ 50
24 ~ 41
31 ~ 31
38 ~ 26
46 ~ 20
60 ~ 15
68 ~ 5
82 ~ 0
99 ~ 0
124 ~ 0

t*rpm
Screen 23

Idle ~ 00
1000 ~ 10
1500 ~ 15
2000 ~ 20
2500 ~ 25
3000 ~ 25
3500 ~ 25
4000 ~ 25
4500 ~ 25
5000 ~ 25
5500 ~ 25
6000 ~ 25
6500 ~ 25
7000 ~ 25
8000 ~ 25
9000 ~ 25

t*map Map
Screen 24

Idle ~ 00
25 ~ 05
20 ~ 04
15 ~ 03
10 ~ 02
05 ~ 00
00 ~ 00
2psi ~ 00
4psi ~ 03
6psi ~ 05
8psi ~ -07
10psi ~ -09
14psi ~ -13
16psi ~ -17
18 psi ~ -21
20 psi ~ -25

t*air Screen 25
Correction value Is expressed as number of degrees

you wish to advance or Retard to the Ignition curve

and values Is set at zero.

t*gap
Screen 26

0500 ~ 15
1000 ~ 15
1500 ~ 15
2000 ~ 14
2500 ~ 12
3000 ~ 10
3500 ~ 10
4000 ~ 10
4500 ~ 10
5000 ~ 10
5500 ~ 10
6000 ~ 10
6500 ~ 10
7000 ~ 10
8000 ~ 10

t*Inj Map
Screen 27

0500 ~ 120
1000 ~ 150
1500 ~ 150
2000 ~ 150
2500 ~ 150
3000 ~ 150
3500 ~ 150
4000 ~ 150
4500 ~ 180
5000 ~ 210
5500 ~ 210
6000 ~ 240
6500 ~ 240
7000 ~ 270
8000 ~ 270
9000 ~ 270

t*wat Map Screen 28


ANd the rest are zero

Option Map
Screen 30

Af_StE ~ 10
Dwell ~ 3.25 *set at Time Base - not at Duty Cycle*
REVstg ~ 1320
MAPstg ~ 02"
%stg ~ 50
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Hey rx72c, just wondering if you got the software for 4 bar map?
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Man ur a champion!

so with the software on the laptop, for each screen, i add in the values which u have given me? is it possibly for you to post up a screen shot of one of them? just so i know wat im facing. and is it pretty straight forward? thanks a million mate

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Just go through the laptop and it will be straight forward. For every map you have their, look for it in the one i have given you and put my values in their.

And jamespond i have sent you a pm.
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ok sweet as,

do i have to do this whilst the car is running/idling or can i do it when its turned off with just the ignition on?

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ignition on...have you ever tried using the software before? Do you the laptop adapter/dongle?
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RX72c

Is that your current set up with the MT? also what are your mods and what boost?

Reason, this set up is very close to mine.
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Mate i tune heaps of cars, the above map is out of a car with similar specs.

They dont always work though.
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thanks

Originally Posted by rx72c View Post
Mate i tune heaps of cars, the above map is out of a car with similar specs.

They dont always work though.
For the hell of it, i tried a few of the numbers you have supplied, worked great. Boost came a little early and still running 11 flat thru the whole rpm.
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That is great to hear.
It makes me happy to know that some people can benefit.
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hmmmm....maybe i should try back that tune you wrote me a long time ago and see how it works...wanna write me a new one? Using water injection now.

1993 FD
Stock ports and internals
550 primaries inj
1680 secondary inj
Greddy T-78 Turbo
Mircotec Lt8s
Stock Coils
Single MSD 6AL
BG10EIX Irridium plugs all around
FPR, Alum Rad, Vmount IC,

90 Octane gas
Water injection with 6 gallon per hour (23 litre per hour) nozzle. (Using water only at the moment)
Going to meth shortly.

Give me a good tune to make 400+ whp please ..thanx
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hey mate,
just want to thank you on giving me the tune. thru it in the computer and the car runs like a dream.
still have to finish off my fuel setup and put the fuel settings in, so at the moment im running like 7psi. car hammers but!

hopefully get it fully done, but for now she runs like a dream, and sounds great when the wastegate opens ad it scrreeammmms lol

chers

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Up your water injector size to 650-700cc and you can run 12-12.5 AFR ratios on boost and up to 28psi on normal fuel.
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2psi ~ 00
4psi ~ 03
6psi ~ 05
8psi ~ -07
10psi ~ -09
14psi ~ -13
16psi ~ -17
18 psi ~ -21
20 psi ~ -25
erm should read something like
2psi ~- 00
4psi ~ - 03
6psi ~ - 05
8psi ~ - -07
10psi ~ -09
14psi ~ -13
16psi ~ -17
18 psi ~ -21
20 psi ~ -25

the map is rather retarded BTW ( safe and mild at boost )

at 24 psi i still use 5 BTDC timing with zero water
( this map = 0 by 20 PSI )


PS

be wary that the donation map is real crank degrees
( as it is common for some micro tuners to use the 5 ATDC mark as a datum zero, hence their maps always look 5 degrees more advanced , ie 30 = 25 real BTDC

also, this map given has staging = 50% and this is to suit EQUAL all around injectors
( or will have a fat glitch when staging the much larger secondaries )
a bigger staging number will fatten up the primary running
( due to unusual quirks of micro staging logic )
but it needs to be close so as not to prevent momentary rich or lean spot when staging occurs
( if you want it done right )
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Originally Posted by rx72c View Post
Up your water injector size to 650-700cc and you can run 12-12.5 AFR ratios on boost and up to 28psi on normal fuel.
Can i run 20 psi with the 380cc injecting water? and what afrs? whats the highest you would recommend on the 380cc with the **** 90 octance gas?
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Oh god here we go again.

Look mate. With the maps i have provided. Staging comes out spot on everytime.
I have actually tuned a shitload of cars, not sit around and tell people the theory behind something.

And as for 5 degrees at 24psi with 0 water. I hope no idiot listens to you and goes and does it. Good buy to any engine.
On all the W/I cars i have tuned at over 22psi and upwards on pump fuel with water, the cars make no more power with 6-7 degrees then they do with 4 degrees in the mid range, and they are happy to take another 2-3 degrees in the top end.

if you are adding a fuckload of timing to make it make power you are only covering up for a **** ignition system i.e BOSCH COILS.
But i know what you have posted on ausrotary and i honestly hate that place, and the people that come from it. So we dont wreck a thread or any thread on this forum. Lets not argue about it. The maps are simply here to help people and i dont have to justify my maps to anybody. If thats what its going to come to, then **** it id rather not post anything.
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Originally Posted by BluRR View Post
Can i run 20 psi with the 380cc injecting water? and what afrs? whats the highest you would recommend on the 380cc with the **** 90 octance gas?



You should be able to run 20psi but your afrs will have to be down in the high 10s.
Around 10.6-10.8:1 and your timing no more then 4 degrees in the PEAK torque area and you can bump that up to 8 as you move away from peak torque AREA.

Also. How are you injecting the water etc?
Show me some pics as it makes a difference etc.

Also what ignition setup do you have?
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Originally Posted by rx72c View Post
Oh god here we go again.

Look mate. With the maps i have provided. Staging comes out spot on everytime.
I have actually tuned a shitload of cars, not sit around and tell people the theory behind something.

And as for 5 degrees at 24psi with 0 water. I hope no idiot listens to you and goes and does it. Good buy to any engine.
On all the W/I cars i have tuned at over 22psi and upwards on pump fuel with water, the cars make no more power with 6-7 degrees then they do with 4 degrees in the mid range, and they are happy to take another 2-3 degrees in the top end.

if you are adding a fuckload of timing to make it make power you are only covering up for a **** ignition system i.e BOSCH COILS.
But i know what you have posted on ausrotary and i honestly hate that place, and the people that come from it. So we dont wreck a thread or any thread on this forum. Lets not argue about it. The maps are simply here to help people and i dont have to justify my maps to anybody. If thats what its going to come to, then **** it id rather not post anything.
to quote the people at micro tech directly

Ok......
Here's an answer to a question that i get asked almost every day.I noticed a few guys have been having drama's getting their head around the way the staging works & it isn't described real well in the manual either. I'll try to explain this as easy to understand as possible................
The injector staging has NOTHING to do with the secondary injectors.
The % stage value works only on the primaries & works as a percentage of the main load map.It adds fuel by adding to the millisecond value before the switch on point.
for example.......
you have the map stage set at 05",the rpm stage at 3000rpm & the % stage at 50%.Below these points you will be running only on your primary injectors.Say the millisecond value at the current load point is at 1.00m/s,with the stage set at 50% you will in actual fact be running 1.5m/s but only on the primaries.
Once you go above 05" & 3000rpm & the secondary injectors become active,the primary injectors return back to normal (1.00m/s) and all 4 injectors will be running 1.00m/s.
This is why some guys have been playing with the % stage number & the idle is affected.
Adjusting the % stage has no effect once the secondary injectors are switched on.
By moving the % stage value up it it lowers the "step" when the secondaries come in by running the primary injectors at the larger M/S value.
The larger the difference in primary/secondary injector size the higher the % stage value needs to be to get a smooth transition at the switch on point.
Most cars with 550cc primaries & 1600cc secondaries will need to be up around the 95% mark in the % stage.Once you change to a setting like that you will then have to go back & take out fuel in the lower load points to compensate.
I hope that was easy enough to understand!!!!!
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Jon

and you was saying????

i aint a rice racing suckhole
i also build engines and trouble shoot and tune cars, particularly the head cases shops can't sort
have been for a long time
-since the first D4s days , let me see, um 1991?

people who don't understand the staging
( even when it is verbatim in front of you )
and bandaid it with the 2.5D WOT throttle map
really do have NFI

i am running MORE BOOST without water, engine is still OK , WITH HEI
tell me what happened to yours, with water? erm?

had your figures been stuck in by someone who knows no better, boom

lets read YOUR numbers again shall we
stab the dark-
5000 rpm, 6 psi boost

t rpm = 25 degrees

2psi ~ 00
4psi ~ 03
6psi ~ 05
8psi ~ -07
10psi ~ -09
14psi ~ -13
16psi ~ -17
18 psi ~ -21
20 psi ~ -25
25 + 5 = 30 degree crank WOT timing


BOOM



ok, lets do that again

5000 rpm, 20 psi

= 25 - 25 = 0 TDC

--- so in your motor, combustion at WOT is instantaneous is it??
you have broken the laws of physics

flame takes TIME to burn

its now burning BEYOND TDC, at LOWER compression


who is bandaiding what you silly man ???
your bluster doesnt work here, got any facts to why your motor has the staging wrong, even to the official micro line
and you have seemingly instant combustion at 20 psi???

pretty obvious your short bright spark IG sucks, and more power is made without the miss a later ,lower than TDC compression

either that or you have failed in the most basic mechanical job
- setting real TDC
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Af_StE ~ 10
Dwell ~ 3.25 *set at Time Base - not at Duty Cycle*
REVstg ~ 1320
MAPstg ~ 02"
%stg ~ 50
______________


rev stg 1320 rpm at 2 psi


just by that i can see a total lack of grasp about SEQUENTIAL INJECTION

you have 1000 primaries
yet your magical motor needs staging at 1320 rpm and 2 psi cause it must be using all that fuel,
,,, must be making 270 rwhp at 2psi
( 270 rwhp is about where 2000 cc of injectors, ie stock runs out of flow )

are you grasping this????

there is NO way , even with stock injectors that your car is outflowing them an 1320 rpm and 2 psi
( bloody good turbo that BTW !! )

that is what SEQUENTIAL INJECTION is all about
at some point in REVS AND BOOST it needs another bank staged as the original cant flow the need
yet the original smalls are required for idle/ running quality
( please look at the history of the engine and see why mazda moved away from just two big injectors from 12aT to 13BT )

and yours is doing what>?>>>
staged, long before the need, why????

a ******* big rich glich , and so the staging is buried where it cant be noticed
and band-aided beyond that point by playing the WOT maps


great TUNING !
fantastic understanding of the principle and reasons behind sequential injection

NOT
bloody thing is purely staged at any boost by default,
cause you cant handle or get the staging value right
so it has been buried so as to be seen with the boost that comes with any throttle pump movement

might as well put a 12aT d4s on it if you think like you do

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Originally Posted by rx72c View Post
You should be able to run 20psi but your afrs will have to be down in the high 10s.
Around 10.6-10.8:1 and your timing no more then 4 degrees in the PEAK torque area and you can bump that up to 8 as you move away from peak torque AREA.

Also. How are you injecting the water etc?
Show me some pics as it makes a difference etc.

Also what ignition setup do you have?
I am using a simple cooling mist setup with the shirflo pump. No progressive controller or the sort...just boost switch activated to turn on the pump flow through the 380cc nozzle. The water is injected thru a port on the greddy elbow, basically near the strut tower.

I dont want to put it to the limit..especially seeing the crappy 90 octane gas (96 ron and 85mon) we use, stock port and stock internals. I am using a single MSD 6AL ignition box. I would be fine with running 18psi on water daily with the 380cc nozzle if it can be done safely. how much power would you expect from that..with an ok tune?

as for the timing at peak torque...I've never dynoed my car so i can say definatively where i have peak torque..but my guess would be somewhere betweeb 4500-5200 rpm as that is when I think I get full boost. I have only been running 14 psi max on the water injection only. This is my timing map below..

*rpm
Screen 23

500 ~ 15
1000 ~ 15
1500 ~ 15
2000 ~ 20
2500 ~ 25
3000 ~ 25
3500 ~ 25
4000 ~ 25
4500 ~ 25
5000 ~ 25
5500 ~ 25
6000 ~ 25
6500 ~ 25
7000 ~ 25
7500 ~ 25
8000 ~ 25
9000 ~ 25

t*map Map
Screen 24

Idle ~ 00
25 ~ 05
20 ~ 04
15 ~ 03
10 ~ 02
05 ~ 01
00 ~ 00
2psi ~ -01
4psi ~ -02
6psi ~ -04
8psi ~ -06
10psi ~ -08
14psi ~ -10
16psi ~ -12
18 psi ~ -15
20 psi ~ -17

What should i change my values to run 18psi?
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Hey bumpstart and Rx72C ..I dunno what you all have going from where ever and whenever..but can we please keep the fighting to a minimum..and focus on the cars and the tunning. If either of you see a problem in YOUR OPINION with the other tune or opinion..can we just approach it like adults and talk it out..giving your views as why you THINK it should be different..stating reasons for you comments and not let it end up in a **** slinging bitch fight. I dont know much about you bump start but rx72c has been around here HELPING EVERY1 including myself a whole lot...and most ppl that frequent here really appreciate his help. I've learned alot from him..and would hate to see him disappear because of the **** slinging and ego fighting. It obvious you know your stuff as well..But i really doubt either of you are perfect tuners and know it all...different ppl have different ways of tuning..some may be better than others for different reasons...just present your case with reason and let the readers/students like myself decipher for ourselves which route we wanna choose...So basically "cant we all just along" and make some power..thank you
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hey bumpstart.
its 2inches of vaccum. NOT BOOST.
but ofcourse your blind..

But you know it all. so ill just be quiet.
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i dont know about everyone else but rx72c has prob wrote 99% of the base maps and other maps for people to start off with usualy without a prob and is im my opinion the best and most knowledgable person on this sub forum. mabey bumpstart shouldent be such a dick and mabey he can learn something like i am trying to do.

p.s. i know my spelling is bad
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