zinx vs LS1 FC + 50 shot (vid)
10-05-05, 12:18 PM
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I raced the same car (ls1fc) on monday. He was on a 100shot and it was an even race. We got vid so maybe he'll start a new thread.
10-05-05, 01:02 PM
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The car is what was described... but it doesn't have headers. All stock manifolds.
It is EASILY a 130mph car on the 150 shot.... and is reliable enough to be a good daily driver. That is a bone stock motor, my friends. Vid of Indykid and I coming in a new thread.
It is EASILY a 130mph car on the 150 shot.... and is reliable enough to be a good daily driver. That is a bone stock motor, my friends. Vid of Indykid and I coming in a new thread.
10-05-05, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Hocky
It is EASILY a 130mph car on the 150 shot.... and is reliable enough to be a good daily driver. .
10-05-05, 07:30 PM
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nice to see the ls1 go down lol, im not a fan of that swap, now if it was a Japanese motor swap, lets say 2JZ or RB motor, then i would approve 
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10-05-05, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Nihilanthic
Bullshit. Cam/head is 400 whp easily, especially with the other mods he did to it. The oil consumption would come from stroking it out with long connecting rods that would put the wrist pin in the oil ring land. And no it would not be as bad as a rotary - and with that much more displacement his real issue would be TRACTION. But he can still do all that at 5.7 liters, so he doesnt need to get a new crank or sleeve it. And he hasn't touched forced induction.
And yeah, you can put virtually any engine in there you want (and a F16 would have no use for a turbo as its a turbine jet engine to begin with) UNLESS it has pushrods which makes everyone flip out and go on witchhunts for pushrods and leafsprings, right?
Modding cars is modding cars, they're all not stock and not like the OEM 'intended it', but ridiculous misinformation and bigotry is just sad.
BTW, Zinx... why are you using such a HUGE turbo? I saw a map for it and I saw it supporting well over 100 lbs/min. You going for quadrouple digits or something? When does it spool up?
And you could also go with toluene or premix to raise the octane (if you got a REALLY good knock sensor) someone on torque central found that 2stroke premix actually RAISED knock resistance. He ran 87 on the 93 map for his engine and it was fine.
And yeah, you can put virtually any engine in there you want (and a F16 would have no use for a turbo as its a turbine jet engine to begin with) UNLESS it has pushrods which makes everyone flip out and go on witchhunts for pushrods and leafsprings, right?
Modding cars is modding cars, they're all not stock and not like the OEM 'intended it', but ridiculous misinformation and bigotry is just sad.
BTW, Zinx... why are you using such a HUGE turbo? I saw a map for it and I saw it supporting well over 100 lbs/min. You going for quadrouple digits or something? When does it spool up?
And you could also go with toluene or premix to raise the octane (if you got a REALLY good knock sensor) someone on torque central found that 2stroke premix actually RAISED knock resistance. He ran 87 on the 93 map for his engine and it was fine.
10-05-05, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by kim307
Good kill. T-88....that's freaking huge....
Who cares what powers it, let the dyno and timeslips do the talking.
Who cares what powers it, let the dyno and timeslips do the talking.
10-07-05, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Gouki7
It's not bigotry its just stating that if mazda wanted to make a "mazda v8" they would have put it in there, not a chevy v8. Why not try to squeeze as much as hp you can out of the 13b. Its like the (forgive the reference) Hondas that try to squeeze as much power as they can outta the little B series motors. I'm not flaming I just think that people should try to stick w/ the motors that the company provides. Just my little preference. Lol although I said on my earlier post "I hate people that swap.." I meant "I hate it when...." just typed too fast.
Manufacturer loyalty is fine and dandy but you need to look at it for what it is, and not just from a rotary fanboys POV. ****, I've run into rotards who are almost like cult members. Not saying YOU are, but I got that feeling.
Making a supercar out of a FC and not using the 13b to do it is still a testament to the FC as a chassis. Same for FDs. Not everyone cares about rotaries. Personally I'm utterly ambilivant to them. One thing you should keep in mind is how youd go about squeezing power out of a rotary vs a piston engine... and why people choose them.
Larger displacement is simply a 'duh' thing, so I wont bother explaining it. But all engines have tradeoffs of pros vs cons. The biggest con of a rotary is a high BSFC and knock weakness. You knock and you pop your seals. For most piston engines you can knock for hours so loud it sounds like a rock tumbler, and most likely youll blow out your head gasket, maybe degrade your rings. Putting a hole in a piston isnt unheard of but extremely rare.
Thats the thing right there in a nutshell. You can boost a turbo to hell and not really worry, if it knocks just back it off a bit or retard timing or retune or go and get an alcohol or water injection setup for it. And well yeah, if youre going to max out a smallish turbo bust out a giant IC.
Ive yet to see that done on a rotary. I see people going with porting, and bigger turbos, so they flow more air at lower pressures, and a phobia of going for huge boost. I mean hell, look at zinx, hes below the efficiency island of that turbo because he doesnt want another rebuild.
The smaller turbo->megaboost-> alky/water injection game is preferrable to people on a budget to the bigger turbo->port->rebuild if you ping or after x miles game. Im just trying to be realistic here, not stealing zinx's or the 13bs thunder. But the reality of it is... well, right there.
Now, if (if someone flames I swear to god this thread is going to go to hell) you wanna stick with mazda, I suppose you can go duratech, but the 2.3(lima) ford engine is used in the B-series, riiiiiiiiiiiight?
Im going 2.3 because its cheap/strong/matured in the aftermarket/easy. Duratech looks like it has potential but Im not sure of the rotating assembly's or block's ability to handle high power... plus its a lot more expensive! So yeah. Do what you want and have fun doing it. Just please dont hate on people wanting a cheap, idiot proof, strong engine with midrange from hell and the giggles you get from telling people you run 30 psi... or the here and now power of a v8. To us its about the chassis, to you its about the rotary.
10-09-05, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ruos
I still wonder what this kid is doing here without an RX7 - when there's torquecentral and mulletpower to go bench racing.
Uh.... I see no bench racing. Don't cry because your car will never keep up with a stock LS1/T56 rx7.... and if it does, you'll go through 4 motors trying. :-x
10-09-05, 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Hocky
Uh.... I see no bench racing. Don't cry because your car will never keep up with a stock LS1/T56 rx7.... and if it does, you'll go through 4 motors trying. :-x
10-10-05, 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ghostrx7
Hey tough guy, a stock ls1 isnt anything spectacular. FYI.
You're right, but a well done bone stock ls1 car will go ~12.0 in the quarter all day long and still get 30mpg cruising on the highway coming home. I just thinks it is crazy how most of you guys can't accept that power is power... who cares what motor it came out of?
10-16-05, 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ghostrx7
Hey tough guy, a stock ls1 isnt anything spectacular. FYI.
But then again there's nothing spectacular about a 13B-REW struggling to make a reliable, honest 400RWHP on pump gas despite ANY turbo you put on it. 6 weeks and XXXX miles later you're scouring the net searching for your next rebuild.
While you're looking at atleast a grand plus for just the rebuild seals alone for a 13B-REW, the LS-1 crew is laughing all the way to the bank at the price to replace maybe some rings or pistons. Remember, replacement parts for LS-1s are DIRT cheap.
Sounds to me like you're jealous that someone swaps in a LS-1 engine, suddenly achieves 200% more reliability over your rotary with near 50/50 weight distribution, can make ~400RWHP on pump gas with the ability to run mid 11s at the track and then drive home. Then on monday, fill up with 91 octane and drive the very same car to the office.
You're right. Whats there to be impressed about?
Ignorance is bliss. Keep the blinders on.
10-16-05, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 7THSIGN
nice to see the ls1 go down lol, im not a fan of that swap, now if it was a Japanese motor swap, lets say 2JZ or RB motor, then i would approve
Makes perfect sense to me.
LOL all you guys are great. Everyone wants to swap in anything else other than a LS-1 engine simply because.....................well, just because the LS-1 engine is American(so it MUST be a mullet melancholy). I love it on the 7 forums. With respect to engine swaps everyone seems to forget all about total engine weight, motor mount locations and engine configuration and its effect on the car's handling. At RX7club, I guess physics cease to exist, or atleast in the narrow minds of a great majority here?
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10-16-05, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ForceFed
So if i'm following you right, you're saying that if forced to, you would rather replace a 13B-REW with a heavy IRON block 2JZ or RB inline 6 with extremely LONG dimensions that would no doubt have long overhangs with respect to the line of geometry for the front suspension therefore running the risk of completely messing with the polar moment of the car versus swapping in a more compact (lengthwise) and lightweight LS-1?
Makes perfect sense to me.
LOL all you guys are great. Everyone wants to swap in anything else other than a LS-1 engine simply because.....................well, just because the LS-1 engine is American(so it MUST be a mullet melancholy). I love it on the 7 forums. With respect to engine swaps everyone seems to forget all about total engine weight, motor mount locations and engine configuration and its effect on the car's handling. At RX7club, I guess physics cease to exist, or atleast in the narrow minds of a great majority here?
Checkmate
Makes perfect sense to me.
LOL all you guys are great. Everyone wants to swap in anything else other than a LS-1 engine simply because.....................well, just because the LS-1 engine is American(so it MUST be a mullet melancholy). I love it on the 7 forums. With respect to engine swaps everyone seems to forget all about total engine weight, motor mount locations and engine configuration and its effect on the car's handling. At RX7club, I guess physics cease to exist, or atleast in the narrow minds of a great majority here?
Checkmate
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