rx7henry

Oooh...I'm sorry, I have offended the god given FD.


Where is Mazda today with its corresponding competitor?

Noob? what makes me a noob? The fact that I think my fast and furious rx7 is up to par with cars costing exponential amounts?

Wow, a Corvette and an Rx-7. You must be dying for an award. All you are voicing are opinions, and when you say by definition, your turbo 240sx is front engine, rear wheel drive, has a turbo, can have the backseats taken out just like the FD (as in japan they come with a 2+2 option), so where do the similarities end? And yes, exactly, those Corvette owners, even you say, are "true enthusiasts", meaning they drive "true sports cars". There can be arguing all day, but I think it's more fair to say the Rx-7 comes from the factory as a sports compact as well. Either that, or its a full blown sportcar that performs from the factory at the level with other sports compacts.

I don't criticize. i just see a bunch of people thinking they own a world renowned sports car when they bitch at a lesser car trying to compete with it. That is on the ball with the previous conversation. At stock levels, can the FD exceed a viper or vette', no. Same idea as at stock levels, can a civic meet or exceed an FD, no. They need to be modified to even begin competition.

I wouldn't have responded the way I did if:
1) You didn't start name calling like a child.
2) I didn't know voicing responses was "mouthing off like a noob".

You wouldn't be all smiles either, if I approached you with that type of reply. So, you can write plausible, creible responses or come back and throw some more names around.

JustinStrife

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I'm going to repeat myself again since you can't understand the english langauge.

When the FD came out, it was completely on par with the corvette. I don't know what's so difficult to understand about that fact. But it is a fact. The fact that the Rx7 doesn't exist anymore, has no bearing on it being a sport's car. It's not a sport's compact. It's a sports car.

But I'm done arguing with you. Since you fail at reading, you fail at reading facts, I have nothing else to say.

The RX7 was and is a sport's car. At least the FD. It was proclaimed that way by magazines when it came out, it's shown that way in insurance papers, and it fills the definition in any car reference books.

/end posting in this thread

rx7henry

This is not to say the least that FD's don't have potential as they have cases full of it tucked away in that sleek body.

I just don't see how you can't compare similarly priced cars that perform in one class (Rx-7's vs Silvias/180sx's), but have to drag it up there into another class entirely (Rx-7 vs Corvettes & Vipers). The Rx-7 will need modifications to hang, trust me. For those of you who think the factory 7 can hang with the big boys, I really don't know what to tell you.

That all comes back down to Rx7 owners saying, "ofcorse, if you put enough money into the Civic it can beat an Rx7", but I think the same goes for "if you put enough money into the Rx7, you can beat a Corvette or Viper".

DMoneyRX-7

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Speedjunkie and JustinStrife-TURN UP THA HEAT!!!

X-JaVeN-X

Somebody in this thread is retarded...but I'm not gonna name any names.

rynberg

Being fast in a straight line does not a sports car make. Chassis-wise, the FD is equal to or surpasses Ferraris, Porsches, and Vipers....frankly, anyone who can't see that is a moron.

A fricking Civic or similar is NOT a sports car, nor will it ever equal an FD, no matter how fast it is in a straightline or how expensive of JDM coilovers yo you put on it.

Jesus Christ, it's like playing cards with my brother's kids or something.....

rx7henry

Haha, I guess price has nothing to do with this equation. Since many of you think you drive $20k or less Japanese Ferraris. LO-******-L!

rx7henry

Chassis-wise no ****. Mazda did a hell of a job designing the body. Engine-wise, I don't know if you can get any smaller for those fo you claiming its a full blown performer.

rx7henry

Jesus Christ, it's like go back and brush up on some grammar. But seriously, if going fast isn't a PART of being a sports car, what is? Handling?...because Evo's and Sti's will be doing some *** handing in the department of handling straight from the factory, and they aren't considered sports cars.

Roen

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well considering the definition of a sports car is designed to be responsive, lightweight from the factory, with only a 2 door option, that pretty much sets the standard on what's a sports car.

Civic, not a sports car
Silvia/180SX, not a sports car (there's a factory four door)
FC/FD yes
Corvette yes
Evo no
STi no

It's pretty simple criteria. Personally, I think RWD should be a requirement, but it isn't, so apparently some argue that the Eclipse is a sports car.

rynberg

What I figured, you are the type of person that associates price with quality of design. Why don't you check the prices of 93-95 Corvettes genius?

You're saying that a 14-year old car that does 0-60 in 5 seconds and the 1/4 in high 13s isn't much of a performer? Not to mention the ease of modding one to match the acceleration of current 911s and C6s. Why don't you look at other cars from 93-95 and see what's faster, including your Porsches and Ferraris? Or Acura NSX?

And if you want to talk price, $10k into an RX-7 brings it to a very high level of straightline performance....who cares if you have to rebuild the engine every few years, it will still be 1/3 of the price of the cars you are discussing.

"it's like go back and brush up on some grammar" Perhaps English isn't your native language. Again, if you think even a stock or mildly modified FD isn't pretty damn fast, well you must drag race funny cars on the weekends. And if you think a stock Evo or Sti outhandles an FD, well you are a bigger moron than I thought. Check the SCCA classing genius. Guess what? The Evo and Sti are in a lower class than the FD.

Just keep digging that hole...

speedjunkie

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I don't see the point in turning up the heat if he doesn't even know what heat is. I guess he never learned that classic lesson...don't touch the burner on the stove, it's HOT. We keep saying the same **** over and over...it's not about price for one, and two, it's in the books as being in the same class with Viper, Porsche, or whatever. It's not like WE wrote the damn book, haha.

+1, I couldn't agree more. You can only tell someone something so many times before you get a migraine.

Uh, I believe you left out part of what he said there...something about STRAIGHT LINE. And just for the record, what rynberg said there is both English and good grammar. My Mom teaches English as a Second Language classes at her Church if you wanna sign up.

I don't think I can add anything more to make this any more clear.

RipOff

How about this definition.

Sports, which sport? Motorsport.
Rally = a motorsport so yep sports car.
drift? well technically thats a motorsport too.
drag? Motorsport.
autox? Motorsport
Defining a car by the number of doors is retarded. So my type R sti with 2 doors is a sports car but a type RA isn't?
Defining a car by it's power train layout is also retarded. Some exotic cars come in awd layout so if only rwd cars fit into the category then what can you say? They aren't a sports car?

rx7henry

OKAY. Skyline Gt-R's, by your "definition" I guess is not a sports car then. You fall on the floor, yet you still try throwing dirt back up...

rx7henry

This thread has just turned into another RX-7 > every other car ever built. Whats the point in a discussion if its going to be so one-sided. Theres just no point if all you care for are rotaries. Retard, please, what grade are you guys in? Right, one of my best friend's brothers has down syndrome, and if you think thats funny, please jump off a ******* bridge.

rx7henry

I stand right behind you. Some of the folks here can't find a good argument so they try to argue & " define" the term s-p-o-r-t-s c-a-r. Big ******* deal. End of the day, if it can lap your *** around track, and blow your doors off in the strights, it doesn't deserve the title sports car? I guess not. It just means your sports car got beat to **** by an econobox then.

pluto

just to add more fuel to the fire...

defintion of a sports car straight from buzzle.com

A simple definition of a sports car is "a small low car with a high-powered engine, and generally seats two people". This is more or less a "textbook" definition but gives us an idea of what the public perceives to be a sports car.

The Houghton Mifflin dictionary defines a sports car as: "An automobile equipped for racing, especially an aerodynamically shaped one-passenger or two-passenger vehicle having a low center of gravity and steering and suspension designed for precise control at high speeds". This dictionary definition does not seem to capture the general perception of what the public sees as a sports car.

The Houghton Mifflin definition of the "two seat rule" seems out-of-date. Many sports cars today offer small back seats (sometimes referred to as 2+2 seating) and there is a current movement underway to increase the seating room in models long considered sports cars by most automotive experts.

Insurance companies use their own formula in classifying automobiles and often the presence of two doors automatically makes any car a "sports car" in their eyes. This perspective, of course, is as overly simplistic as the standard dictionary approach to defining a sports car. One can certainly think of any number of two door vehicles that fall far short of being an actual sports car. Economy cars and even larger two-door vehicles that are not built with power and performance in mind should not qualify as true sports cars.

Some car buffs will refer to high-performance muscle cars and other larger vehicles as sports cars. Others, however, draw a distinction between these vehicles and "true" sports cars. These individuals will claim that a car can be a "sporting car" or simply "sporty" but still fall short of being a true sports car. Thus, "regular" cars may be outfitted with a "sports package" and/or accessories to make the car sportier, but may not fit a strict definition of a sports car.

Not all automotive enthusiasts, however, embrace this restrictive view of sports cars. In many circles, a sports car is any car offering greater performance or power than more standard offerings. This school of thought will consider muscle cars and other larger vehicles designed with performance in mind as sports cars.

Others will maintain that the distinction between a sports car and any other type of car lies in how the car's suspension and handling are addressed. Technical debates rage over whether various suspension packages qualify as belonging to true "sports cars".

Some will argue that a sports car can be defined by its intentions. If the car is designed for performance more so than for utility, they say, it is a sports car. This intent-based definition, however, provides little guidance in determining whether a car is a sports car or not. Particularly in the modern era, the notion of designing a car of any sort without significant consideration of its feasibility and utility seems unlikely. Any commercially viable vehicle, regardless of its performance, must retain significant utility.

Road and Track, a leading automotive publication, summarizes the sports car definition debate with a simple observation: "Ask five people the exact definition of a sports car, and you'll likely get five different answers".

There is no clear-cut definition of what really is a sports car. The restrictive definitions of the past seem ill suited to categorize today's' diverse automotive offerings and common usage of the term runs contrary to most long-held definitions.

There is, however, a common thought that seems to run through almost all of the outlooks on the meaning of "sports car". If a car is designed with high performance or race-like capabilities in mind, it can probably be safely termed a sports car. Some purists may balk at such a liberal perspective, but alternative definitions fall far short of accurately distinguishing sports cars form regular production models..

RotaryBuddha

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so are you admitting in that last sentence that the civic is a econobox and not a sports car?

adictd2b00st

why can't we all just agree that any car can be made fast, just depends how fat your wallet is?

pluto

Here is a formula use to determine if a car is consider as sports car:

By definition, a vehicle is said to be of a sporting nature iff
where
W/P * S^(1/3)* CC^(1/3) <17,

W is the weight of the car, in kilograms,
P is the power of the engine, in DIN horse-power,
S is the number of seats, and
cc is the engine cubic capacity, in litres.

This formula was devised in 1971 by a well-known Belgian Grand Prix driver
(it is also used in rally and endurance racing, to subdivide the competitors into
classes). Clearly, it is not exempt from criticisms:


RX-7 is well within the range.

rx7henry

This has nothing to do with the current topic, but for the sake of arguement:
Are you guys kidding me?! If that is your idea of proper grammar, please go back to school. Ask your mom or whoever English teacher you'd like. She would be very disappointed.

Or it would be as simple as copying & pasting into MS word, do a spell check, and you will see it's incorrect.

I know this is a bland object to pick at, but you claim to be so grammatically correct, I'd thought I'd bring it to the table.

rx7henry

If you want to put words in my mouth, then sure. But Mustangs & Camaros come from the factory in a economy V6. Are they sports cars? What would you define the Z28, SS, and SVT Cobra models? 3 series BMW's also come as luxury sedans. What would you classify the M3 then? Same for standard 5 series sedans, and the M5. A civic CAN be an econobox, but I'm sure Honda put out the Civic type R for practical grocery getting, and picking up the kids from school so you can drive up to an 8k plus redline, right? Same for the Integra, and all other Type R models right? For FC models, I don't find the base, non-lsd 4 lug models to be very sporty. I would say the Turbo II's are real sports cars.

What about the 3000gt for example? They come with a front wheel drive single overhead V6 thats 160hp, a dual overhead front wheel drive V6 with 220hp, and an all wheel drive V6 twin turbo with 300hp. I'm sure they can all be classified as sports cars then, but why is it, only one can compete with the FD? I find the front wheel drive single overhead version to be as economical as a Civic (fwd, hatchback), yet Mitsubishi made it as a competitor for the Rx-7. Care to elaborate?

RotaryBuddha

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Lets break this down

Yep you said it yourself they are economy not a sports car

Sportscar, not a econobox


ok those are luxury sedans not a sports car or econobox.


Im not a huge fan of BMW but correct me if I'm wrong but the M class for BMW is like the R class for honda and the GTR class for Nissan. So I guess that would make them a sport saloon.

See above for R statement.

See I can agree here the base s4 and s5. No frills or thrills like power steering or windows or ac for that matter. Is your cheap economy car. Now I have owned a s4 base with no thrills whats so ever and compared to my turbo fc they are worlds apart.

Im sure all those 3000gt had different classes as like the rx7. So you got a low priced everyday car, a mid ranged performance economy car, and a high priced sports car.

Their I answered all your questions with out bashing you or insulting you in any way shape or form. Now lets see that from this point forward....... From everyone......

kukri

Cool kill. Unfortunatelly I actually got killed by a gay civic in my LS1 FD!

Story:
Stock LS1..just bolt ons..him B16 + Turbo Coupe making 400+ at the wheels.

40 roll. 40-120 I'm ahead by 1 car entire time..and here he comes flying by me around 125..where of course is end of my 4th.. TURNS BLINKERS ON. Interesting, however I still did get killed. Next week he ran 11.6 @ 120 w 1.6 60ft

Result:
I'm pissed of. Already got new heads + getting big big cam yes sir to beat him on motor and then 150 shot to put 32543532 bus lengths on him from roll or dig.

Thank you very much.
Bye.

rynberg

The funniest thing about ignorant people is when they don't realize how ignorant they are....

No, they are not. They are muscle-cars.

Guess you've never heard the term "sport sedan"?

I don't know of anyone who would call a Civic R or an Integra a sports car....

That is a GT car.

Who cares about subtle somantics anyway?

I don't think the FD is the greatest car ever made. If someone were to give me a new Ferrari F430 as a trade, I would take it, believe you me. But the FD has a very capable chassis, certainly the equal of any modern sports car. It simply doesn't have the stock performance, aerodynamics, refinement, or wide tire capability of some of the NEW top cars.