slidingsky

I think thats what its called=). Anyways I was wondering who sells them and how much? I was lookin at buyin a EK6 but maybe I should fork up the diffrence and buy the newer one.
Thanks if you can help.
sky

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iTrader: (1)

The E11's main advantage is for 3 or 4 rotors.
But look at the E11 thread in this forum and see if you like/need the options that the E6K doesn't have.

slidingsky

Well I was concidering just buying the 11 because reted said it really wouldnt be that much more. It would just be controlling a 13bt. I was aiming at 300-350 at the wheels as a reasoable goal. I just dont want the spend the time learning and money to have the EMS limit the power later, if I want more. Ok so $1200 ish for a 6 and what $1500 for an 11?

enzo250

your not gonna be power limited by the E6k!!! The differences are in the features and the new windows based software.

Evil Aviator

Check with The Hitman
http://www.hitman.hm/contact.htm

or with your local Haltech dealer
http://www.haltech.com.au/Dealers/dealers.html

Also, the RX-7 Store seems to get new items in their inventory pretty fast. I don't see the E11 yet, but I would imagine that it will be there soon, and maybe even with a group-buy discount.
http://www.rx7store.net/

I disagree. Being able to run a 3 or 4-rotor engine with emissions-friendly split timing and SFI/DFI is only going to be an advantage for a handful of people throughout the world.

IMO the advantages of the E11 for 99.999999% of the rest of the rotary engine owners are:

Windows-based software (It's about time! Now it's time for Motec to join the modern world, LOL)
Metering Oil Pump control
Dual on-board maps and 3D boost control (I can appreciate these as a Wolf EMS owner)
Better injector resolution (especially good for road racing)
Mil-spec wiring (reduces headaches and makes for a clean installation)
And probably some other good stuff, too.

I think he was referring to the limitations of the stock ECU.

MSpeedRX

I think the extra input/output options is great. The internal datalogging is good too - you don`t need to have laptop connected to log to ecu - can be retrieved at the end of a run or a few laps. User defineable rpm points will be good for better idle and low rpm mapping.

slidingsky

I like the idea of usiing windows. I will save, the only problem is a laptop. If I didnt need one I could have the haltech in a week or two. Stupid laptop.

Evil Aviator

Any EMS which hooks up to a laptop will also hook up to a PC. You can set up your PC in your garage for idle and no-load tuning, or run an extension cord to tune the lower load bands in the driveway using the brake/clutch, or take the PC to the dyno for tuning, or even drive the car some with the base maps and make your changes when you get home based on your datalogging. True, it's not very convenient, and it's ghetto, but it's better than dropping $1,400+ on a Dell, dude, LOL. You do not NEED a laptop to tune, although it helps.

I recommend just asking a friend to bring his laptop over to help you tune. It is better to have two people for real-time tuning anyway; one to drive, and one to monitor/tune. You must know someone with a laptop who can help you out one weekend.

CrackHeadMel

iTrader: (2)

Not trying to hijack this thread but you pointed out somthing i have been wondering about for a while

when my car is done, not going into specifics here, will be haltech'd though, i can drive around with my laptop hooked up and datalog and either have me, or a friend alter settings while driving around? i dont have to shut off the car for settings to take affect (true words of a windows user..)

Evil Aviator

Some definitions:

Real-Time Tuning (aka Live Tuning)- The ability to tune the EMS while the engine is running, and the changes take effect immediately. I don't know if the E11 will have this function, but I would imagine that it would in order to compete with the new AEM and Wolf live software. Regardless of the EMS bells and whistles, it is always a good idea to have someone in the passenger seat to help monitor the readings/gauges so that the driver can concentrate on the target rpm and load range, and also watch the road to avoid wrecking the car while street-tuning or track-tuning.

On-Board Datalogging - The ability of the EMS to log data without having the laptop attached. You can then review the data when you are finished driving, and make tuning changes as appropriate. The E11 is supposed to have this function.

BTW, you are not hijacking the thread if you are just expanding on a question which was asked by the thread originator.

wptrx7

so this would be the best ecu for a 20b project?

luigi

Evil Aviator

If you need the 20B to pass emissions, then it looks like the E11 and the TECIII are your only options if you want to use only one ECU for split timing. Passing emissions testing without split timing is going to be difficult. Neither EMS has been proven to run split timing in a 20B yet, so how well they actually work remains to be seen.

If you don't need to pass emissions, then the Motec M8 is still probably the best EMS, although it is rather expensive. Any EMS which will run a 6-cylinder engine will also run a 20B (AEM, Wolf, Microtech, etc.).

spartiatis

http://www.rpmperformancecentre.com.au/

they advertise an e11 full kit for 2800au$.

what dual on-board maps exactly is?

Poweraxel

www.a-spectuning.com had a couple of E11's there but they might have beed already sold..... i thinnk im gonna order one today from them

Steve

Evil Aviator

It means that you can load two separate maps, and switch between them without using the laptop. For example, you could load a "normal driving" map and a "race" map. Then you can drive around town on the normal map to save gas and engine wear, and switch to the race map for the weekend drags (or for that pesky Honda in the other lane, LOL). You could also load up an emissions map, or a test map, or whatever.

I have used a similar function on the Wolf3D EMS, but it uses memory cartridges, similar to Nintendo. The new map can be loaded at the push of a button with the engine running, and only takes a couple of seconds to load. I'm sure that the E11 system will work in a similar manner, minus the memory cartridges of course. This is a very nice function, and it's nice to see that the people at Haltech have their act in gear.

spartiatis

that's all i need.i think that's what we all need.fuel economy and driveability on daily driving and extreme power (and fuel consumption) on weekends with the additional injectors coming alive and the boost increasing in the touch of a button.
B.T.W.could the e11 handle a set of additonal injectors or i may need to use the pwm outputs?

streetsweeper

go with E6K its good have it in my car an it works wonderful never had a problem with it an it has no limit on power

Evil Aviator

Just about every EMS on the market will allow for aditional injectors, depending on how you wire them. You can read more about wiring injectors in this old Wolf manual on page 19 of the document:
http://www.wolfems.com.au/images/W3dv3_0manual.pdf

The E6K can drive 8-16 injectors, depending on the impedance, but there is an additional driver box available if you need to control more. I would imagine that the E11 will have at least this capability also.