doridori-rx7

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i've done some searches, here and the net, and found mostly unfinished threads and information on E11 and E6K setups.

The E6X manual does state in the wiring diagram that you can wire in 3-4-5 wire and wb02 sensors, but to see 'wiring setup in manual' , Iv'e searched front to back in there with no reference to how to wire up a 4 or 5 wire or wb02 for that matter.

I've also read that the only WB02 that can be read natively is a sensor out of Aussie. The NTK/ND/Bosch ones require an adaptor such as the LC-1 or LM-1. but this was on the E6K...

What can and can't be used with the E6X, 3 wire obviously can, is a 4 wire going to gain me anything in it's use.. can a WB02 be used natively with the E6X like like the bosch or NTK? is so what are the part numbers.. going into ask for a LSU-2 is not going to get me very far in the Bosch catalouge.

Beyond the above questions, if it turns out I can't use a WB02 natively with the E6X, what would be the best option for a terminated lead loom? Eg:Haltech had some sort of O2 sensor in mind when they terminated the loom with the particular plug they did... any idea what it is ?

thanks for your time.

C. Ludwig

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To run a WB02 the sensor needs a controller. So yes you'll need something other than just the E6X to run the sensor. Haltech now sells a controller that is similar to that offered by Innovative. The controller is required for the cell pump on all WB02 sensors eithe NTK or Bosch.

http://www.haltech.com/wideband_lambda.htm

You'll need something like that at a minimum. Not sure what sensor could be used in and of itself. But if there is one I would guess that it has to be packaged with it's own controller.

Whatever device you go with, the simple controller or a full blown display unit like Innovative or PLX, you can setup the E6X to read the 0-5V+ linear output of the device and display and log it as a voltage or as an A/F ratio. All that is required is to wire the sensor voltage out to the Spare A/D input of the Haltech. Configure the Spare A/D to read either voltage of A/F ratio and you're set.

The catch is that if you are using a newer E6X with internal MAP sensor the Spare A/D circuit is used for the internal MAP sensor. If you are using and have the unit configured for an external MAP sensor then the Spare A/D is freed up for use as an O2 sensor input.

If you are using the internal MAP sensor and the Spare A/D is not available you can wire the WB output into the O2 sensor input of the E6X. This will allow you to view and log the voltage of the sensor but does not have the option to show the output as an A/F ratio.

doridori-rx7

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ah ok, so best bet is to GET the actual real time Lambda readings is an LM-1 thanks.. anyone have a clue what the possible direct hookup O2 sensor is to the terminated loom? I don't really need it , I can go universal 3 wire.. but if Haltech had a particular model in mind I'd like to use that...

I'd ask them this question but thier mail server is down.

thanks.

lovintha7

Does this go along for the E8 as well?

dubulup

^get a heated 86 ford escort O2 sensor...if you want a normal narrow band feedback sensor. I have a WB hooked thru the E6X...makes tuning simple, datalog -> adjust bars where voltage isn't correct.

I was able to tune out my 550/1600 transition hesitation, using this method.

Claudio RX-7

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The Haltechs have a dedicated O2 sensor input, this input is a 0-5v input, it can read anything you feed to it that is 0-5v. The haltech manuals tell you how to wire up narrow band o2 sensors from 2 to 4 wires, they can be hooked up directly, BUT!, Wideband O2 sensors require some additional feedback and pump voltage wires that practically no ECU provides, hense why you need a controller. The only ECU that i know right now that have the provitions for connecting WB sensors directly are the Motec and the Universal EMS by AEM.

Anyway, the Haltech Wideband controller is virtually the same LC-1 by Innovate, its made by them for haltech, and it has the provisions to be connected to the Spare A/D input on your haltech harness so you can use it to monitor the AFRs. Get that and you'll be set.

But any controller with the 0-5v output will work.

doridori-rx7

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what section of the manual is this wiring write up..??

From innovate; ( LC-1 ) I just need to plug in the analouge output to the shielded 02 ( #2 wire ) )2 sensor input..

still looking for a PnP connection/connector for a narrow band to the terminated haltech loom.. Molex doesn't make one, it's obviously a different company that makes it..

crispeed

Not quite.
The E-8/11 have many spare A/D inputs of which you can configure to datalog and read the wide band in real time A/F ratio on a dedicated screen. Also you can now do closed loop correction by A/F ratio instead of by voltage. There's a set up page for the spare A/D for use of an Uego sensor where you can input voltage vs A/F to suit just about any wideband on the market. The E-8/11 ecu's are calibrated to use either the Haltech Uego HC-1 or the Innovate Motorsports LC-1.
I prefer the Innovate because it comes with a bit more hardware than the Haltech's version like the programming software, error code led and heater calibration reset switch just to name a few and it is also cheaper.

crispeed

The 'FAST' ECU also use the sensor directly.

Claudio RX-7

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Well if you want to use a narrow band sensor, (dont know why), all you need is either a 3 wire or a 4 wire universal sensor, oxygensensors.com sells these without a connectors for around 50bucks for GM applications, and if you want the terminated one with the same connector the haltech uses its about 75.

But what ever sensor you get, what ever controller you get all you need is to fee the output 0-5v signal to the haltech, who cares if it isnt plug n play, all you need is a single wire.

Hey Cris,

Thanks for the tip on the Innovate vs. Haltech Uego.

doridori-rx7

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Just revive this thread a bit .. I've been looking at either the NTK L2H2 or the BOSCH 7057 sensor unit. I can't find the original thread I was reading here, it had some good first hand info on the innovate and other brands of O2 sensors that have been biting the dust after a few hrs at rotary temps.. the Tech edge guys are telling me that the NTK and Bosch units are thermaly identical in thier ability to 'take heat' .. but if I remember that same thread.. the NTK had been proven to be better able to take the heat..

13BT510

The specs say the same things - but in reality the NTK is a better piece as proven by experience - its also alot more expensive. I have used the innovate piece on plenty of applications without killing sensors due to the "heat". I have gone through some sensors, but that was from using leaded fuels not due to heat, and at 50 bucks for a new sensor compared to to few hundred (minimum) for the NTK piece im happy enough with the bosch sensor and replacing it once a year if i need to.

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What I will be doing tonight is using a AEM WB unit and running its out wire to the E6X's grey shielded oxygen wire, then in the software setup , set the oxygen sensor as a 0-5 v volt ( bosch/NTK I believe off my head ) .

Claudio RX-7

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Ive already done this, works just fine, but i believe that you have to select the option that says "Reverse Polarity", since the AEM gauge output is reversed from the tradicional Wideband, but i might be wrong.

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Good to know, Im setting it up tonight.

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Claudio I had a question, when you setup it up , this was for E6X and was it with the DOS software or halwin.

I tried today all the settings in the dos software and it still read nothing ( 0.02 volts ) I tried, bosh, ntk uego, reverse polarity and nothing.

I was recomened to then connect a 2 pin connector to the 0-5 volt out and run it into the spare input of the haltech.

Claudio RX-7

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Technically it can be connected to either the SpareA/D or the O2 sensor input, when i did it all i connected was the signal out wire from the gauge/controller to the O2 sensor input and configured it to 5v, etc, and it read fine, in mVolts but it read.

I dont know why you might be having a problem, unless you have it connected wrong, or the output on your WB is not good, or even the input on the Haltech might be bad. I would do this to test the O2 input, get a regular 3 or 4 wire O2 sensor anc connected according to this proceedure:



And just configure it for a regular O2, and see what happens.

rx7lover0147

in this you say to get the lc-1 and it comes with a bunch of extra stuff but when i look at the site it looks like that only comes with the cable and the 02 sensor am i looking at the right deal? will that work?

davedge

Basically, when you buy the Haltech Wideband Controller kit, it comes already calibrated to run properly with the Haltech ECU.

That being said, the E6X ECU's do not have software provisions for displaying REALTIME AFR's. So basically, if you are looking to have an AFR display, you will want to use a wideband 02 gauge, which we also carry. The E8/11v2 ECU's have provisions for wideband inputs that you can display in the software "data pages" and also you can DataLog AFR's and run Closed Loop O2 correction using the Wideband(0-5v) input with a Target AFR(Which you can also datalog the correction % for fine tuning... hint... hint...)

As far as narrowband 0-1 volt O2 sensors... We do supply our own preterminated 4 wire version... but you can honestly use ANY narrow band O2 sensor, which will give you the same result.... they only function around Stoich(14.7-1) values... and you won't gain much by using one...

If you have any other questions... post em up...

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What I ended up doing is :

the 0-5v to the o2 wire ( grey shielded )didnt work with E6x Dos Software.

So I ran it to the spare AD and works like a charm.

The 0-5v analog signal from the wideband goes to Input B ( middle one ) for the spare input ( that is a black red wire on the ECU side ) .

And this works perfect. Displays in AFR ( if UEGO is chosen) or Volts ( if 02 sensor is chosen) wich ever one I prefer.