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Old 04-16-13, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Rickey89
Not to purposefully revive an old thread but I feel this is possibly the right place to do it,

So I know y'all are busy with the headlights which I appreciate, and I'm sure other things like the footrest and what not, buuuut in all your busyness can you let us know the status of the rear brake setup sakebomb had mentioned they would be developing?

Super interested I know the rs/rz setup or the racing brake kit is a good alternative but I would really like to see what sbg comes up with as a matching set to complement the ap racing front brake kit
Not a problem at all The rear brake package is long overdue, we planned on having it done months ago. The prototype is actually in production and should be done by the end of this week. After that we'll need to verify fitment, make any adjustments necessary and do some actual street/track testing We'll keep everyone up to date with the progress once we have something solid to show and not fancy 3D CAD renderings.

For some reason most of the pictures in our initial post are no longer working. Regardless we do have the front competition brake system in stock and can ship 3-5 days from ordering. Additionally we stock Endless RF650 brake fluid for anyone looking for arguably the best brake fluid on the market.

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Awesome, glad to hear its not only still in the plans but being worked on!

And yeppers I'd pull the trigger on the competition brake system you developed with the AP racing brakes but I feel I can probably save a little bit of money if I set those funds aside for the group buy pricing on the rear breaks?

This is me assuming that their would be a group buy, from what I can see the last GB for the front brake package was a nice little savings....

Long story short my plan is slightly backwards in that I'd be looking to buy the rear package and then the front at retail...

If there won't be a GB then I may have to rethink the order in which I get your brakes -__-

Can't wait nonetheless!
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Now since we're on the subject, will the street kit also be released alongside the rear brake kit?
Any rough pricing yet? And who doesn't love fancy rendering?
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We're always happy to run groupbuys, with the caveat that we need enough volume to do it. If we can get 10 committed customers we can most definitely run a groupbuy on the brake kit, just add your names to the list.

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The rear brake kit is coming along however we've redesigned it to fit under 17" wheels as we would have locked out a large segment of the population with an 18" rear wheel requirement. We're in the home stretch of the rear brake development and will post pictures soon. The rear brakes will also be compatible with our 'street kit'.
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Originally Posted by Sephek
Now since we're on the subject, will the street kit also be released alongside the rear brake kit?
Any rough pricing yet? And who doesn't love fancy rendering?
The street kit is also being finished up. The goal of the street kit was to provide a cost-effective high-quality brake solution with 32mm rotors using a lightweight monoblock caliper. (it's not based around AP components for those that are wondering). The street kit is a clone of the little known MAZDASPEED BBK with a few improvements and additions. Performance and cost are our objectives with this setup, and while it's leaps and bounds better than most BBK's out there the cost will be quite reasonable. We'll have a 2 piece rotor option obviously.

I've got pictures of the prototype setup, though I'm hesitant to post it in this thread since it's pretty far off topic. If there's interest I can post pics in another thread for the development of that setup. We're very close on that one as well.... no rendering needed
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Awesome, would be great to have enough for a groupbuy, I'll cross my fingers on sufficient takers so this can happen!

And I'd love to see picture of the rear brake kit! Not sure if in your comment that implied that you had pics of the street kit or rear brake kit so thought I'd ask just in case

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We're always happy to run groupbuys, with the caveat that we need enough volume to do it. If we can get 10 committed customers we can most definitely run a groupbuy on the brake kit, just add your names to the list.

AP Competition BBK

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The rear brake kit is coming along however we've redesigned it to fit under 17" wheels as we would have locked out a large segment of the population with an 18" rear wheel requirement. We're in the home stretch of the rear brake development and will post pictures soon. The rear brakes will also be compatible with our 'street kit'.
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Originally Posted by Rickey89
Awesome, would be great to have enough for a groupbuy, I'll cross my fingers on sufficient takers so this can happen!

And I'd love to see picture of the rear brake kit! Not sure if in your comment that implied that you had pics of the street kit or rear brake kit so thought I'd ask just in case
at the moment we've only got pics of the prototype street kit.
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I have to say, I ran the Dragon with 'upgraded' stock brakes while my SBG-Comps sat on another FD back at the ranch, and I was *really* missing them.....along with the SBG HIDs, one of the best mods around for your 7
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Any updates on the release and price for the street kit, front and rear? Are you able to post some pics of the prototype kit?
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Prob interested in the street kit...
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any updates on this (street & rear kit)?
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Also quite interested in it myself. I have more grip and power than brakes right now.

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yes! I was just asking rich what there was available for the rear to match the front. Do you have in mind a price point for the rears? I wanna get the fronts and a tilton pedal setup so this would be great! Once again you guys like to take money form me. lol
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Racingbrake is stating they are discontinuing their rear big brake kit. They are sold out and do not have plans on producing more. SBG… ready for you guys to deliver another top notch product. Tick tock
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Originally Posted by rozado
Racingbrake is stating they are discontinuing their rear big brake kit. They are sold out and do not have plans on producing more. SBG… ready for you guys to deliver another top notch product. Tick tock
Some prototype pics of the rear brake setup to whet your whistles

The SakeBomb Garage competition rear brake setup utilizes stock calipers (retaining your parking brake) with a light weight yet freaking-massive 325mm 2 piece directional curved vane disc with our own ventilated slot design.

Hello rear brake torque, goodbye un-sprung weight.

Parking brake for the street, rotor mass and cooling efficiency for the track. This setup was engineered to maximize total braking potential when used with our front AP Competition Brake Kit. This setup will fit under most 17" wheels.



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and to publicly answer the PM's asking if we still produce our AP Competition Front Brake Kit...

Absolutely... please take a look at our website -> Competition Brake System - SakeBomb Garage





This is not an off-the-shelf "BBK" from Brembo/Stoptech/etc. This is meant for "Competition" use. I.e. no dust seals, anti-knockback springs, light as a feather calipers, extreme efficiency rotor vane design and some of the best metallurgy in the business, aircraft grade hardware, and the thickest pads you've seen in your life (20mm)
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Awe this is a disappointment I was hoping to get a ap matching set for the rear. Hate this modified oem caliper kits. Let me know if plan to make a real bbk for the rear. Guess I'm still on the hunt now.
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Originally Posted by Grinch
Awe this is a disappointment I was hoping to get a ap matching set for the rear. Hate this modified oem caliper kits. Let me know if plan to make a real bbk for the rear. Guess I'm still on the hunt now.
Aside from looks (and maybe a little less pad wear/taper) what benefit do you hope to gain from a rear 'BBK'? I'm interested to know why you hate the stock caliper setup with increased brake torque?

As far as we've seen it's the best of both worlds, light weight, high torque, brake bias valve not required, and you retain your parking brake. If you can overheat these rears in conjunction with our front kit I'd be extraordinarily impressed

At the end of the day you're not gonna fix taper issues with a 2 piston rear, so you need a 4. You're gonna end up with quite a large/heavy disc at that point, comparatively heavy caliper, no parking brake, rear bias issues, possible wheel clearance issues, and all to reduce replacing the pads as often in the rear? As far as a "performance" upgrade you won't stop any faster than with our current setup

We spent quite a bit of time working out the various iterations for a rear setup and no matter how we sliced it we had a hard time justifying a need for something different in the rear based on how much rear brake the FD actually needs/can use.

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Rather have an alum caliper to match front. I'm thinking of a tilton pedal setup to balance out the car. Personally I could care less about the parking brake at that point cuz not a good idea to use it after out on the track. If rally want could put in a line lock to have a parking brake. I seen some guys using a willwood rear with a wide foot bracket but having trouble locating them. I know you guys make nice stuff so was waiting to see what came out with.
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Originally Posted by Grinch
Rather have an alum caliper to match front. I'm thinking of a tilton pedal setup to balance out the car.
This is why we settled on the stock caliper with properly sized rotors. At the end of the day it's mainly aesthetics and replacing the rear pads more often. There's virtually no performance benefit, much more weight, and significantly more cost with a "BBK" in the rear. You won't go faster around the track with a "BBK rear" which is why we settled on this setup.
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So what the price point compared to the racing Brake kit look like?
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Rear brake GB? Any discounts for those who have your AP BBK front setup?

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Originally Posted by Flyweight
Rear brake GB? Any discounts for those who have your AP BBK front setup?

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Yes there will be an additional discount for customers who already have the front AP kit, and our apologies for taking so long to get the rear setup to the final stage .

We'll most likely do a discounted pre-order, possibly with the option of a front/rear kit package for those without the front kit.
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Originally Posted by Grinch
So what the price point compared to the racing Brake kit look like?
We're not really competing with RacingBrake as our design is completely different, and we don't currently have a pricing structure for out kit (which partly will depend on demand/volume for production runs).

Also, from what we can tell RacingBrake has discontinued their rear kit. This poses serious problems for current owners of the kit as their rotor design is proprietary and prevents owners from being able to replace the rotor once supplies run out, even if the customer is willing to have a custom disc made. So if you currently own the RB rear setup, beware.

Here are the size breakdowns for the current rear kits (all 20mm thick rotors):
  • Stock (straight vane 1 piece) - 294mm diameter
  • 99-spec (straight vane 1 piece) - 314mm diameter
  • RacingBrake (proprietary 2 piece curved vane) - 322mm diameter
  • SakeBomb Garage (2 piece curved vane) - 325mm diameter

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