FD3S Rear "Euro" Washer/Fluid Tank
I assume it is going to use that portion of the spare tire well that isn't used by the spare tire. It would/will make for a nice low-point to take fluid from
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Lemme see what I can dig up.
Good question. I've never actually seen a FEED tray in real life, it all depends on if it leaves that triangle portion I photographed open. My guess would be no. As for the whole setup / pump / mounting brackets - yes. That will come.
That's really the problem we're trying to address. There are absolutely not enough vehicles that exist to support two versions of this. The added sump will completely eliminate starvation, which happen more often in a race scenario (on the throttle coming out of a big left hander) rather than street (0-60, 30-120 straight line, maaaybe some highway/off-ramp fun, etc).So, bBy "race" I assume you just want increased capacity. But the reality is, unless you're running 24 Hours of LeMans - you're really not gonna make it through 2 gallons.
Thank you so much.
Exactly.
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The sump is TINY. It'll only take up the corner triangle area and will work with a stock spare installed. It's just enough to provide a reservoir for the nozzle to draw from.
Lemme see what I can dig up.Good question. I've never actually seen a FEED tray in real life, it all depends on if it leaves that triangle portion I photographed open. My guess would be no. As for the whole setup / pump / mounting brackets - yes. That will come.That's really the problem we're trying to address. There are absolutely not enough vehicles that exist to support two versions of this. The added sump will completely eliminate starvation, which happen more often in a race scenario (on the throttle coming out of a big left hander) rather than street (0-60, 30-120 straight line, maaaybe some highway/off-ramp fun, etc).So, bBy "race" I assume you just want increased capacity. But the reality is, unless you're running 24 Hours of LeMans - you're really not gonna make it through 2 gallons.Thank you so much.Exactly.
Good question. I've never actually seen a FEED tray in real life, it all depends on if it leaves that triangle portion I photographed open. My guess would be no. As for the whole setup / pump / mounting brackets - yes. That will come.That's really the problem we're trying to address. There are absolutely not enough vehicles that exist to support two versions of this. The added sump will completely eliminate starvation, which happen more often in a race scenario (on the throttle coming out of a big left hander) rather than street (0-60, 30-120 straight line, maaaybe some highway/off-ramp fun, etc).So, bBy "race" I assume you just want increased capacity. But the reality is, unless you're running 24 Hours of LeMans - you're really not gonna make it through 2 gallons.Thank you so much.Exactly.
You actually wouldn't want to use the whole spare tire well... the issue is slosh and starvation. the purpose of the small lower sump section that extends into the spare tire well is to have a slosh-free pickup that is lower than the rest of the tank, not to add capacity. If you used the spare tire area, you'd need to go through the chassis to a lower point to create a sump. This setup will be the best blend of practicality, performance, clean install, etc.
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You actually wouldn't want to use the whole spare tire well... the issue is slosh and starvation. the purpose of the small lower sump section that extends into the spare tire well is to have a slosh-free pickup that is lower than the rest of the tank, not to add capacity. If you used the spare tire area, you'd need to go through the chassis to a lower point to create a sump. This setup will be the best blend of practicality, performance, clean install, etc.
Now I need to put my pump under/outside the car which will likely shorten it’s lifespan. This is also delaying this tank into production and I’m considering just buying an actual euro tank to be done with it. Sometimes simplicity is best.
Does this thing really need 2 floats? Cmon, low and out out? How about folks take some responsibility for filling the tank and we get this show on the road already....
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While that’s solving one problem, what about having the pump lower than the pick up? The further down with the resevior we go the lower the pump needs to be. I just wanted a stealth solution with added capacity and now this tank is being needlessly complicated in my opinion.
Now I need to put my pump under/outside the car which will likely shorten it’s lifespan. This is also delaying this tank into production and I’m considering just buying an actual euro tank to be done with it. Sometimes simplicity is best.
Does this thing really need 2 floats? Cmon, low and out out? How about folks take some responsibility for filling the tank and we get this show on the road already....
Now I need to put my pump under/outside the car which will likely shorten it’s lifespan. This is also delaying this tank into production and I’m considering just buying an actual euro tank to be done with it. Sometimes simplicity is best.
Does this thing really need 2 floats? Cmon, low and out out? How about folks take some responsibility for filling the tank and we get this show on the road already....
As for the pump placement, it's gotta be on the same plane or below it. Most pumps require the help of gravity or at least don't like running against it. Heath has a solution brewing for this as well without having to expose it to the elements.
As for the OEM tank, it's not without its limitations. The sump will help a LOT.
AEM at least wants it to be lateral or downstream. The pump doesn't like to push against gravity.
Most water/meth pumps from all kit makers are self priming up to 8 or so feet vertical according to their own specs so they should not need to be even near the bottom of the sump. In theory I could place the pump anywhere in the trunk area.
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Jeff is actually correct on this one. I had a conversation with AEM, and although they want the pump to be "as close to level with the bottom of the tank as possible" - the engineer I talked to today said there shouldn't be any issue with placing the pump 1-2 feet upstream. The MAIN concern they have is with keeping the tank below the *injection nozzle*. Which means below the intake elbow/UIM... which isn't going to be an issue at all.
I think its starting to become over engineered. The "low sump" is something people can make themselves if that is needed. Instead of having the pump at the previous suggested point, have a tube that feed a lower res, and have a pump at the bottom. It would not require much effort to make it work. And then the original idea would still work for the rest of us.
If i get parts hanging down from panels its not that attractive solution anymore. The 100% OEM fit was why i wanted it in the first place
If i get parts hanging down from panels its not that attractive solution anymore. The 100% OEM fit was why i wanted it in the first place
