iceblue

Well what one is it thats 3 very different ports.

There is someone in Hawaii there running one of my HB motors with HKS T71. You could talk to him if you like. ReTed is also over there hes tuned some of mine as well.

chohakai

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Man, your ports are very similar to mine:

https://www.rx7club.com/rotary-car-performance-77/porting-questions-849832/

I'm just wondering that what happens when the end of the side seals are not supported and fall into the port (it looks like both of our ports will likely do that)? Do you think this will cause the side seals to wear out pre-maturely?

glenrx7

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I must say Howard that is refreshing....I agree with you a dicussion is great for the rotary development bashing is counter productive.

13bturbofc

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lets keep this thread alive...im in the process of gathering info for my first rebuild/port job on a S4 13b im trying to decide what porting to go with for this motor, ill be putting all my current externals on this new motor when the current one blows..i just made 450whp on stock ports on the current engine with T04Z. I was told by my tuner/rotary builder that i should do a race port on the secondaries and a street port on the primaries, he suggested the pineapple racing templates..he then said not to port the exhaust ports because the factory ports are made in the specific narrow oval pattern to help the velocity of exhaust gases flowing out of the ports, he stated that porting huge exhaust ports or making the port more rounded slows the velocity down which makes the turbo very laggy, is this true? He did however say that i should take a slight bit off the edges of the port, the black area you see from the inside, which isnt much. And also what kind of intake ports would you pros recommend? id like to hear multiple opinions with detailed explanations. The car is a street driven car but not a daily driver and i drag race the car often, id like to keep a good mid range power band

13bturbofc

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what exactly is the difference between a half bridge and full bridge? do both require the rotor housing to be notched/beveled at the bridge area? i love the sound of the bridge port but i dont want to lose all my low and mid end power.. from my understanding thats what happens, the bridge is only good for top end, but im not sure what RPM range that would be?

RotaryEvolution

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i prefer to be a rotorfile. i pick up my grinder and port, test and see the results, the rest is just random bullshit and hypothesis.

how come i don't see any discussions about enlarging/shortening the port runners? they are the bottleneck in the system, not the port size.

mono4lamar

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IceBlue, what pdf file is that...?

rotorholic

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Porting looks great BUT why do the center iron always smaller? I have seen many engine builders with small center iron ports? You can still port more if you what your doing.
pic below is a series 4 turbo 2 center iron, I will a take picture of a rew center iron I have ported later.[/SIZE]

KKMpunkrock2011

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posting to subscribe and remind myself to READ MORE!

FC_fan

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wow, what a read! this is great information and I'm glad its cleaned up now. This should be stickied somewhere, probably the "new member" section to keep people from ruining their ports.lol.

I "inherited" a torn apart S4 T2 motor from my brother (missing the intercooler, turbo and turbo manifold mind you, will be switching to the S5 turbo and manifold). I am rebuilding and was considering porting it mildly as its my summer daily driver. so I am wondering what kind of porting to do. I am planning on upgrading the turbo system in the future but my HP goal is only going to be 300-350rwhp.

This is my first rebuild and first port job so what do you guys recommend? and can I do a port based on my 300-350rwhp goal to run on my stock T2 for now or would I have to wait and port it with the final setup? more importantly, is it worth porting at all for the HP goal?

thanks, I heard the pineapple racing tamplates were good and they seem to know a lot but what are your opinions/suggestions for porting tamplates?

(EDIT: Mods, if I need to make a new thread for this instead of posting it here, feel free to delete this post. just thought I'd ask the guys that know what they're doing. )

mono4lamar

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The reason people don't over port the primary ports is that's what HELPS keep a steady idle.

rotorholic

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First time I hear that one, Where did you hear that?

13B-RX3

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Lets see a pic of the porting we saw at the Pan-Ams

rotorholic

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Here you go...

mono4lamar

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I believe Judge Ito himself turned me onto that. It makes perfect sense to me...

Sato Tatsuya

I have a question of my own...

Is the factory tuned rotary the more fuel efficient and healthy way for the rotary engine, in terms of longevity?? Is it possible to tune/port the engine so that it can breathe better, become more fuel efficient and healthier...making it last longer? I'm not asking about increasing horsepower, just simply the goal of creating a healthier rotary engine with a longer lifespan?

Just out of curiosity.

Thanks!

sen2two

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where can i get some rice racing templates???

Zero R

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I asked this once to someone with a infinite amount of high boost knowledge. His low boost would be 100psi. His exact words were, "When I run a 100psi or 220psi I learned that the same principles applied." You still want the air in and out as fast as possible. You know, as I do, boost pressure is not a measure of flow, and more a measure of resistance. Our discussion came about because we were talking about plenum and end tank shape and how large a effect it actually has.

sen2two

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OK, one thing i been wanting to do is make my own ports. i have always used templates. But how do i measure where i can and cannot port to?

I was told to lay either the front or rear plate down with the stat gear in place. and rotate the rotor around the gear. measure where the side seal and corner seal are and make sure at least half of the corner seal is still supported. but how do i measure and mark that if the corner seal and side seal are flat against the plate!?

any other way to do this?

can anyone enlighten me on this? using templates is getting old. im ready to step up to the next level and make my own ports...

Barry Bordes

Cut an old rotor at the side seal to corner seal junction. You can then scribe the orbits of the ends of the side seals.

The thumbnail below is from nopistons' Lynn Hanover.

Note: only one end is scribed in this example.

Barry

sen2two

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thanks...thats a damn good idea. I have a few dead rotors i could use too. but what to use to cut it? i doubt a saw zaw can cut through a rotor???

seandizzie

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just my to cents. I street ported my motor and now only have enough fuel for 12psi(95% injduty cycle). With stock ports I could run 15psi and would see duty cycles in the high 80's. the car is faster now using less boost and more fuel(ie less resistance to flow).

How does porting affect egt's and the same power level?? does a stock ported motor create more heat because it requires more pressure to make to same amount of power??

Barry Bordes

I used a hack saw and then cleaned it up with a file.

Also you can use a Marks-a-Lot if you don't have Dykem.

Barry

sen2two

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^thanks, appreciate that!

dpf22

I have a question about Port filling.
I have heard often that the bowl volume in the stock ports is too large to begin with. Has anyone tried filling the bowl and provide a less angled entry to the combustion chamber by having material there to shape for a better skateboard ramp for the air? (so to speak)
I apologize about the grammar, but this idea has bothered me for some time. I've wanted to try it but haven't had my motor apart yet to figure out what I'd do as far as a plan of attack. Still figuring out what I'd use as a filler that I wouldn't be afraid would chip and cause damage.
Ideas?