General Rotary Tech Support Use this forum for tech questions not specific to a certain model year

New Rotary Engine Patents (2019)

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 06-21-19, 11:07 AM
  #1  
Rotary Freak

Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
funkjaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: San Jose, CA (NorCal/S.F. Bay Area)
Posts: 2,515
Received 4 Likes on 3 Posts
New Rotary Engine Patents (2019)

https://garagealpha.com/blogs/news/n...x0YHEY895GxMOw

Direct link to Patent PDFs:
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/00...15266A.pdf?171
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/00...15263A.pdf?172

Breakdown:

- Two rotors
- 2 side intake ports
- 1 side exhaust port
- 1 peripheral exhaust port that opens under high load that dumps POST turbine and also feeds an EGR valve
- Twinscroll turbo charger fed by side exhaust port

There is defintiely more to these patents, but this is what I have gathered by copy/pasting bits of the patents into google translate.

What do you guys think? To me this is as promising as it gets that Mazda is in fact releasing a new rotary sports car.
The following users liked this post:
WJM ROTARIES (06-22-19)
Old 06-22-19, 04:11 AM
  #2  
Rotary Freak

 
WJM ROTARIES's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: MELBOURNE AUSTRALIA
Posts: 2,399
Received 305 Likes on 297 Posts
Verrrrrrrrrrry Interesting News .Something is going on at Mazda
Old 06-23-19, 04:49 AM
  #3  
Senior Member

iTrader: (1)
 
John Huijben's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 605
Likes: 0
Received 13 Likes on 10 Posts
This is cool. I wonder how they will get around the side seals failing as is common with an turbocharged RX-8 engine.
Maybe because the side intake and side exhaust ports are on opposed sides of the engine which allows them to run a different seal configuration on each side of the rotor?
Or maybe they will recirculate a lot of EGR during boost which lowers exhaust temperature.

Anyway, very curious to see if this tech will actually make it into a product someday, and what the application will be. This seems too complicated for an engine that will just function as a range extender.
Old 06-23-19, 11:18 AM
  #4  
Eats, Sleeps, Dreams Rotary

iTrader: (19)
 
Natey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: West Coast
Posts: 4,453
Received 1,412 Likes on 730 Posts
Weren't they working on a hybrid that uses a tiny rotary as the gas engine? Could have sworn I read that somewhere...here!

Maybe these patents mean they're moving forward.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/mazda-...iveline-120928
Old 06-23-19, 11:46 AM
  #5  
Rotary Motoring

iTrader: (9)
 
BLUE TII's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: CA
Posts: 8,209
Received 763 Likes on 505 Posts
Mazda has confirmed they will release the all Mazda EV with the single rotor range extender as a 2020 model and then follow up with further hybrid models based off their collaboration with Toyota.

It has been variously reported to be a crossover and based on Mazda3, though the prototypes were based on the Mazda2. My bet is it will be an optional model of the freshly debuted CX30 platform.
Old 06-23-19, 11:53 AM
  #6  
Rotary Motoring

iTrader: (9)
 
BLUE TII's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: CA
Posts: 8,209
Received 763 Likes on 505 Posts
Maybe because the side intake and side exhaust ports are on opposed sides of the engine which allows them to run a different seal configuration on each side of the rotor?
Or maybe they will recirculate a lot of EGR during boost which lowers exhaust temperature.
Maybe having the single exhaust port on the side of the rotor opposite the oil jet allows the rotor to be cooled enough to preserve the springiness of the Inconel side seal springs.
Old 06-23-19, 06:14 PM
  #7  
Moderator

iTrader: (3)
 
diabolical1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: FL
Posts: 10,807
Received 305 Likes on 265 Posts
this all seems interesting, but i made the decision a while back not to believe anything rotary until i can go see it on a dealer floor.

that said, i wonder what chamber size/dimensions they went with for this one.
Old 06-24-19, 01:39 PM
  #8  
Rotary Freak

Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
funkjaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: San Jose, CA (NorCal/S.F. Bay Area)
Posts: 2,515
Received 4 Likes on 3 Posts
So the most exciting thing about this patent is this diagram - as it clearly shows an FR layout car (as opposed to a range extender):


Also another interesting thing: I can't seem to find any reference to OMP or displacement in either of the two patents....
Old 06-24-19, 06:36 PM
  #9  
Racing Rotary Since 1983

iTrader: (6)
 
Howard Coleman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Hiawassee, Georgia
Posts: 6,095
Received 514 Likes on 288 Posts
turbo looks like it is bolted to the engine similar to many these days...
Old 06-24-19, 08:50 PM
  #10  
Auto Delight Founder

iTrader: (7)
 
Mazdaspeed RX8 ver2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hayward, CA
Posts: 792
Received 281 Likes on 196 Posts
definitely interesting.... i'm still not convinced on a rotary sports car just yet but promising.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
reddozen
Deals Gap Rotary Rally
54
05-01-19 09:36 AM
neit_jnf
General Rotary Tech Support
3
02-16-18 01:45 PM
userjh5174
Rotary Car Performance
2
05-27-09 02:09 AM



Quick Reply: New Rotary Engine Patents (2019)



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:22 AM.