mechanical feul injection is it possible?
07-23-05, 01:29 AM
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mechanical feul injection is it possible?
Like the topic say! Anyone running a mec feul system?Lay out,pics,do and donts 
.How well system works etc.Any input please! 
.How well system works etc.Any input please!
07-23-05, 02:26 AM
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It's doable. I believe Porsche had a mechanical fuel injection system at some point.
http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarti...MFI/TipMFI.htm
Can't say if anyone has actually done it or not. Why would you want to do this?
-=Russ=-
http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarti...MFI/TipMFI.htm
Can't say if anyone has actually done it or not. Why would you want to do this?
-=Russ=-
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whywould you want to go back to the days of early monotronic control VW/audi dropped it like a rock.. Or were you thinking along the lines of the Lucas vacume reference system ??
you might a as well stick to a carb. if your not interested in modern jetronic type systems..
you might a as well stick to a carb. if your not interested in modern jetronic type systems..
07-23-05, 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by DIETER SCHELLE
Like the topic say! Anyone running a mec feul system?Lay out,pics,do and donts .How well system works etc.Any input please!
.How well system works etc.Any input please! -Ted
07-23-05, 02:56 AM
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it will be cheaper to buy a complete mec system than buying a stand alone system in my country.Mec system=+-180 us to a Stand alone=+-1400us dollar.Seen a 13bt drag ldv with set up .Best run was a 10.8 sec=1/4 mile.But car is not driveable on daily basis!Anyone with such a setup?
thanks for input!
thanks for input!
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07-23-05, 03:11 AM
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yee -wiz may be you(reted,funkspectrum) must start a flaming club,well who is going to join????????
thinking of dropping the question!
thank you Syonyk,doridori-rx7 for your input,i know of two members that are not joining the club???
thinking of dropping the question!
thank you Syonyk,doridori-rx7 for your input,i know of two members that are not joining the club???
07-23-05, 04:59 AM
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Majority of members are from the USA, so answers will usually be references to products familiar and used in the USA.
Although the majority of entry-level stand-alone EMS are from Australia, they are widely used in the USA.
You NOT from the USA - duh.
You CAN'T expect us to understand your reference.
Then you call us FLAMING?
You gotta be kidding me.
Are you like 10 years old?
You haven't seen me FLAME yet.
I have no idea what a "Mec system" is.
I doubt ANY of the other USA members know what a "Mec system" is.
Why don't you try a SA drag website?
If it's so superior, why are you asking OUR help???
From what little I know of mechanical injection...
You need a mechanical fuel pump, which is either coupled to the engine via a pulley and belt or a cam and lever.
The mechanical fuel pump pumps fuel to the fuel injectors (rails?) that you still need an FPR.
You CAN'T buy a good FPR for $150?!?!?
Then there's the special injectors...
If you can get everything for $150, then go for it.
If you can't tune the damn thing, that was a waste of $150.
-Ted
Although the majority of entry-level stand-alone EMS are from Australia, they are widely used in the USA.
You NOT from the USA - duh.
You CAN'T expect us to understand your reference.
Then you call us FLAMING?
You gotta be kidding me.
Are you like 10 years old?
You haven't seen me FLAME yet.
I have no idea what a "Mec system" is.
I doubt ANY of the other USA members know what a "Mec system" is.
Why don't you try a SA drag website?
If it's so superior, why are you asking OUR help???
From what little I know of mechanical injection...
You need a mechanical fuel pump, which is either coupled to the engine via a pulley and belt or a cam and lever.
The mechanical fuel pump pumps fuel to the fuel injectors (rails?) that you still need an FPR.
You CAN'T buy a good FPR for $150?!?!?
Then there's the special injectors...
If you can get everything for $150, then go for it.
If you can't tune the damn thing, that was a waste of $150.
-Ted
07-23-05, 05:38 AM
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reted i can clearly see that you got no idea how or what a mec system(mechanical feul injection system) look or work....DUH!!!!
As far as i know this systems is been used on the 2.0 16valve vw engines.
But once again you live in the usa.Maybe next time first do a search ,no research or whatever before giving input on the subject.maybe you other car is a v8???
funny isnt it that two members were under standing my question and not you?
makes you think doesnt it!DUH
As far as i know this systems is been used on the 2.0 16valve vw engines.
But once again you live in the usa.Maybe next time first do a search ,no research or whatever before giving input on the subject.maybe you other car is a v8???
funny isnt it that two members were under standing my question and not you?
makes you think doesnt it!DUH
07-23-05, 05:49 AM
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Sorry,but back to my question!Doridori-rx7 what system is a lucas vacume reference system can you please explain the lay out of it?Or maybe you could point me to a web site of that system.Thank you!
(maybe someone can learn or see what a mechanical feul injection system *l o o k s * like)
cheers!!!!
(maybe someone can learn or see what a mechanical feul injection system *l o o k s * like)
cheers!!!!
07-23-05, 09:56 AM
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You just don't get it...
But I chalk that on up on your poor comprehension of English...
You applaud people who have actually dis'd (yO Yo Yo language) your idea!
How cheeky!
It's like throwing carburators on an FC...
You're taking a step back.
Most people will agree that you're moving in the wrong direction.
Only the extreme stubborn or the extremely ignorant (of modern fuel injection systems) would want to do something like this.
Retrofitting something that the car did not original come with or was designed for is just asking for trouble.
If you really wanted to do this, you would've done it already.
Because you are asking for help, this implies you're not competent to do this yourself...yet.
Electronic fuel injection is the standard.
Mechanical fuel injection is very rare (especially with gasoline / petrol, not diesel) and limited to some very specialized racing sanctions.
You're better off finding that VW / Mercedes / Porsche / Audi...that's my suggestion.
-Ted
But I chalk that on up on your poor comprehension of English...
You applaud people who have actually dis'd (yO Yo Yo language) your idea!
How cheeky!
It's like throwing carburators on an FC...
You're taking a step back.
Most people will agree that you're moving in the wrong direction.
Only the extreme stubborn or the extremely ignorant (of modern fuel injection systems) would want to do something like this.
Retrofitting something that the car did not original come with or was designed for is just asking for trouble.
If you really wanted to do this, you would've done it already.
Because you are asking for help, this implies you're not competent to do this yourself...yet.
Electronic fuel injection is the standard.
Mechanical fuel injection is very rare (especially with gasoline / petrol, not diesel) and limited to some very specialized racing sanctions.
You're better off finding that VW / Mercedes / Porsche / Audi...that's my suggestion.
-Ted
07-23-05, 12:57 PM
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Reted,sit back,relax,take a sip of your orange juice.I will now drop the question!,so if you want the last word go ahead and feel free.To the other members that gave me tips ect.
THANK YOU
THANK YOU
07-24-05, 12:35 AM
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How old are you???
13???
You drop a vague question about mechanical fuel injection and get all insulted cause you don't get the answers you want???
WTF is wrong with this world.
Just for kicks, I just HAD to research what the hell you're trying to do...
By your other threads...
You got a used (J-spec?) 13BT out of an FC3S turbo.
You have NO ECU or engine harness.
You're trying to stuff this into a Capella (RX-3?).
You've got (2?) 40mm "sidies" or a single 48mm.
You've got problem with possible float collapsing and trying to run over 15psi?
But, now you're trying to go either BP or PP...
IT WOULD'VE HELPED IT YOU TOLD US ALL OF THAT BEFORE ASKING SOME VAGUE QUESTION ABOUT MECHANICAL FUEL INJECTION.
Geezus...
Here's your answers which NO ONE was able to answer for you.
Twin 40's will work with turbo.
A single 48 is barely big enough for a BP; it is too small for a PP.
You need to prep the carbs to be able to handle positive pressure, but you should obviously know that for now.
You would've found all of that out if you did a PROPER SEARCH, but I guess you're too incompetent to be able to do that at his point in time.
Since you have experience making custom intake manifolds, I'd imagine making a turbo intake plenum is no problem, even with the twin 40's.
Good luck bitch
-Ted
13???
You drop a vague question about mechanical fuel injection and get all insulted cause you don't get the answers you want???
WTF is wrong with this world.
Just for kicks, I just HAD to research what the hell you're trying to do...
By your other threads...
You got a used (J-spec?) 13BT out of an FC3S turbo.
You have NO ECU or engine harness.
You're trying to stuff this into a Capella (RX-3?).
You've got (2?) 40mm "sidies" or a single 48mm.
You've got problem with possible float collapsing and trying to run over 15psi?
But, now you're trying to go either BP or PP...
IT WOULD'VE HELPED IT YOU TOLD US ALL OF THAT BEFORE ASKING SOME VAGUE QUESTION ABOUT MECHANICAL FUEL INJECTION.
Geezus...
Here's your answers which NO ONE was able to answer for you.
Twin 40's will work with turbo.
A single 48 is barely big enough for a BP; it is too small for a PP.
You need to prep the carbs to be able to handle positive pressure, but you should obviously know that for now.
You would've found all of that out if you did a PROPER SEARCH, but I guess you're too incompetent to be able to do that at his point in time.
Since you have experience making custom intake manifolds, I'd imagine making a turbo intake plenum is no problem, even with the twin 40's.
Good luck bitch
-Ted
07-24-05, 12:45 AM
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Search the NW forum for a member by the name of gambone, he has an old RX4 with a custom fabbed parallel twin turbo 13B running dual Bosch Jetronic mechanical injection systems from VW rabbits or something. He has a thread called "my pic of the day" that has many photos of his car and injection setup.
I think it works well, it just runs out of fuel when he's in boost so he's obviously using more air than two VW rabbits would (which would have a combined horsepower of about 160, max.)
I think it works well, it just runs out of fuel when he's in boost so he's obviously using more air than two VW rabbits would (which would have a combined horsepower of about 160, max.)
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Thank you 88IntegraLS for the input will be going there.
O by the way retard(sorry REted) i see your club is starting to shrink a bit now?
whats wrong?
some members can give me answers!,i think you must go to the web site aswell to see the set up?
and for my age?maybe 14 maybe not!!!!!!!
suck that!
O by the way retard(sorry REted) i see your club is starting to shrink a bit now?
whats wrong?
some members can give me answers!,i think you must go to the web site aswell to see the set up?
and for my age?maybe 14 maybe not!!!!!!!
suck that!
07-24-05, 02:04 AM
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O thank you for your input on all my questions so far REted ...............
BUT!!!!!
(1)twin 40-I know that(2 sidies will flow more than the 48 ida)
(2)48 ida not to small for bp,pp(size of port and porting)
(3) not first time putting turbo and carb on 13bt(s4 with boxed nikki carb,feul enrichment etc)
(4)I do not want to fill float with foam(one day if I turn 15 I will buy a plastic float from robert of rotaryshack)
(5)intake manifold-well lets see!.Got some help with that(some members help AND then some dont,they want to be club starters)
HAVE A NICE SUNNY DAY
PS. DONT FORGET TO RELAX!!!!!
BUT!!!!!
(1)twin 40-I know that(2 sidies will flow more than the 48 ida)
(2)48 ida not to small for bp,pp(size of port and porting)
(3) not first time putting turbo and carb on 13bt(s4 with boxed nikki carb,feul enrichment etc)
(4)I do not want to fill float with foam(one day if I turn 15 I will buy a plastic float from robert of rotaryshack)
(5)intake manifold-well lets see!.Got some help with that(some members help AND then some dont,they want to be club starters)
HAVE A NICE SUNNY DAY
PS. DONT FORGET TO RELAX!!!!!
07-24-05, 02:25 AM
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Thank you gingenhagen.(birthday was ******* A)
Tournapart yes I agree,I dont say he knows **** all.But was reading a thread from one member asking something about mods etc. to his fc.He then gave a shitty remark!
If he can not give desent answers to members ,keep it to him self then!
not all of us is rolling in dollars like MR RETed.
Tournapart yes I agree,I dont say he knows **** all.But was reading a thread from one member asking something about mods etc. to his fc.He then gave a shitty remark!
If he can not give desent answers to members ,keep it to him self then!
not all of us is rolling in dollars like MR RETed.
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I'd say it has to do with the following.
A) You asked for it
B) You're putting a sub-par system on, that can be done better, and cheaper than what you're going on about
C) Your posts are so poorly written it could be mistaken that you're asking to throw a carb on, or to mechanical injectoion (why you think this is cheaper is beyond most of us)
His answer was more than decent, it was the best method of doing it. However, since you want to be cheap, his reply doesn't fit what you want, so you get all shitty because it's not what you want to hear.
A) You asked for it
B) You're putting a sub-par system on, that can be done better, and cheaper than what you're going on about
C) Your posts are so poorly written it could be mistaken that you're asking to throw a carb on, or to mechanical injectoion (why you think this is cheaper is beyond most of us)
His answer was more than decent, it was the best method of doing it. However, since you want to be cheap, his reply doesn't fit what you want, so you get all shitty because it's not what you want to hear.
07-24-05, 03:12 AM
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SonicRaT all i can say is
JOIN THE CLUB
(1) did not ask for remarks or anything,a simple answer why it wont work would have been great but then.... ummm,...just....dont
(2)I am asking for info from members that maybe have answers to my question
(3)I think my thread writing is the same as yours...also shitty...consider that english is not my language
And last i want to ask firt before starting a project,know the facts ect.than first start make a bols up and then after the bols up want to ask the questions!
Does that make sense??????
JOIN THE CLUB
(1) did not ask for remarks or anything,a simple answer why it wont work would have been great but then.... ummm,...just....dont
(2)I am asking for info from members that maybe have answers to my question
(3)I think my thread writing is the same as yours...also shitty...consider that english is not my language
And last i want to ask firt before starting a project,know the facts ect.than first start make a bols up and then after the bols up want to ask the questions!
Does that make sense??????
07-24-05, 03:19 AM
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RxsevenSymphonies i never said i got a set up that run that time on the 1/4 mile.I have seen one with that time.And they are from pretoria here in south africa.And theire ldv outrun some rotarys that got stand alone setups!