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Old Sep 16, 2004 | 07:13 AM
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Please help...I am quite new to rotary and I do really love it, but I have a MAJOR smoking problem from exhaust. I've read about apex seals and so forth, but my problem is that my huge thick plumes of smoke are white/slight blue tint(sometimes) and they smell so rich it burns your eyes and you really choke if you inhale it. This is what happens....I get smoke when first starting up (cold), this, as far as I can read is quite normal....smoke then goes away, but if I hold the RPM's steady at say 4K after about four or five seconds of this she blows out smoke so thick you can't see through it (kinda like an ATF treatment, which I've done already). And when I drive it, she smokes the same way upon deceleration or when I let off the gas. If I romp on her the smoke clears and all is well. My oil filler neck is vented and I have no PCV system. It's a 13B (94') with a Holley DP and 6 Port Intake (Fuel Pressure is at 6). The car is an 85' (12A swap). My mechanical knowledge tells me that white smoke is either unburned fuel (rich condition) or coolant leak into motor. please help me, before I tear this thing down for an expensive rebuild! Thanks

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Old Sep 16, 2004 | 08:40 AM
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wrong section. try 1st gen.
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Old Sep 16, 2004 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by alberto_mg
wrong section. try 1st gen.
He did a 13B swap.


TReX7,

Just to be sure, pressure test the cooling system just to make sure it's not a coolant seal failure before you go tearing stuff apart.
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Old Sep 16, 2004 | 08:50 AM
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Do a block leakage test. You can pick up the kit at any napa, cost around$50.00, that will
verify if there is any combustion in the coolant. Or you can take it to a qualified technician and let them perform the test. If it comes back negative, then go after fuel. rx7doctor. There
is a product called blue devil that works on cracked heads/head gaskets, which yes i know we dont have. But they gurantee to fix any leak period or your money back, never seen it used on rotaries, could get their ph# for you if interested. That is if you have a coolant leak
in the motor. rx7doctor
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Old Sep 16, 2004 | 09:27 AM
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Possibly oil. Have you checked the oil level lately? If not, I would check that. I haven't completely figured this out yet, but from what I understand, rotary engines are made to burn some oil. Perhaps this is where the oil metering pump comes in?

I think this is how it goes with smoke colors:

    Gotta go, I'll finish this when I get home.
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    Old Sep 16, 2004 | 10:49 AM
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    sounds like the good ol' coolant jackets.
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    Old Sep 16, 2004 | 11:22 AM
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    Block Leakage Tester

    Hey Doc,

    What is that thing called exactly....Napa acted like I was smokin' weed when I asked for one...
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    Old Sep 16, 2004 | 12:59 PM
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    Found It

    Originally Posted by TReX7
    Hey Doc,

    What is that thing called exactly....Napa acted like I was smokin' weed when I asked for one...

    I found it......
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    Old Sep 17, 2004 | 01:57 AM
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    Found Problem...Now for the BIGGIE!!!

    Found out it is coolant leaking into the engine (Thanks rx7doctor!)....Now for the bigger question....I do not have any idea, really, what engine is in my car....I got a good look all over the block and cannot find any type of serial numbers, stamps, tags or NOTHING...except 13B. Now, there has got to be a way of identifying these engines!!! Anyone know How?...or is there a marking somewhere, etc..etc..Plus, what gasket set do I buy(for what year)? There is a huge price difference in years...are the engines really that friggin' different? I supposedly have a (94) motor...but I thought they were FI and Turbo'd? If so....I have Carb and no Turbo...WTF!!!! Please someone help me!!!
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    Old Sep 17, 2004 | 03:36 AM
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    Sorry to hear about your car man. Do you have any pictures? It sounds like you have a n/a FC engine. I don't know if it is an s4 or s5, but i'm sure it is no 94 (FD) engine. Good luck.
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    Old Sep 17, 2004 | 09:20 AM
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    Good Idea

    I'll take some pics of it today and post em up....I scoured the engine last night and could not find one identifying mark on her.....I wonder if Mazda could tell me?
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    Old Sep 17, 2004 | 10:21 AM
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    I think I found it!

    I think I found it!!!.....I hope...Right under the alternator, under much paint and dirt is a very, very light engraving the looks like it has a letter (which I can't make out) and the numbers 35727.....????? Is this the engine number and is their any type of cross reference to tell me the year?
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    Old Sep 17, 2004 | 12:08 PM
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    before i swapped out my old 13b it was doing the same thing, when i took apart the block i found one of the housings had a small crack in it....so it could be a possibility
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    Old Sep 17, 2004 | 11:49 PM
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    Pictures

    Here are some pics of my engine, please help me identify the year.....
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    Old Sep 17, 2004 | 11:51 PM
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    I also made to short AVI's to show the whole engine, if you e-mail me I'll send em to ya..Ty
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    Old Sep 18, 2004 | 02:39 AM
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    hey bro thats not a 3rd gen

    looks like a 2nd gen

    post in the 2nd gen specific
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