Looking at a 13B turbo in a Gen1, what would be the best or most flexible Engine Management system.

Has nybody had good or bad experiences???

 

I would say ask your self to questions first ,What amount are you willing to spend and What is your tuner most familiar with and go from there, if it were me a microtech would be my choice, great value, works well with rotories and easy to use.

www.microtechusa.com

 

MoTeC


-Ted

 

If your talking just the straight up best (screw your needs), then its prolly Pi or Magnetti Marelli or something.

 

LOL! The Magneti Marelli stuff is great for F1 and other racing sieries...don't know about a 13BT FB .

With money to burn, I'd probably get a Motec like Ted said.

 

This Question has been asked a million times.

Get an Ecu that your tuner is comfortable with.
Being that your in Aus. It will most likely be one of the following haltech, microtech, Autronic, Motec, or wolf.

 

I just got the LTX8 and the hand held display is confusing to understand in the way they have the function buttons, mode, etc. The manual is confusing to read and their explanation on the handheld isn't very straightforward. Just my opinion. Also, there is no option to change the unit of measurements.

 

Too bad they don't make an application for the 2 rotor engine...


-Ted

 

Haltech, Motech, TECII, Microtech........Its all about what you want to spend and how you want to tune, pay or play.

I will go Haltech.

 

I have microtech and I can tell you that the support on these units is pretty limited . few people run these units and Microtech is located is Australia so it's a bitch to send your unit in to be diagnosed or repaired.

My ECU is currently in Australia getting fixed and converted to LT8.

 

Motec system exhaust.

 

"Not a bad way to spend 10,000 dollars."

 

Thanks for that.

I have had Microtech before, but on a different car (not a rotor). Being in Sydney, the support is average. I can't remeber if the Microtech had auxiliary outputs for staging of the primary and secondary ports. Does anybody know?

Which aftermarket ECU will accept the standard sensor imputs form a 13BT, I think Autronic are pretty good for that.

MoTec is a little too expensive for me.

Has anybody had any experience with Wolf?
What can you tell me?

And with regards to choosing the ECU to suit your tuner, what if you move or the tuner goes out of business, who will tune it then?

I think the ECU should suit the average good quality rotary tuning shop (wherever you might be).

 

Magneti Marelli prices...

http://www.mmcompsys.com/products.asp

It's not that expensive.


-Ted

 

Good software, good fuel injector resolution, most flexibility of any EMS in its price range. Areas which could be considered downsides are the lack of datalogging, no wideband lambda support, and 2D split timing (Motec and the Haltech E11 have 3D split timing).

I'm not sure if that is such a good idea unless the Mazda sensors are a lot less expensive in your country than they are in mine. I would recommend against installing any EMS on an engine with extremely old sensors and wiring, as this is just asking for unnecessary frustration. This is the main reason why you do not see any "Plug & Play" EMS products for the 13B or 13BT.

The initial setup and tuning is the difficult part.

Which is worse?
1) Having good support and a lot of help with the initial installation and tuning, and then having your tuner move or go out of business.
2) Trying to figure out everything on your own with no help at all.

I will choose #1 every time.

 

Thank you Evil Aviator;

You are wise...

So if you had to choose between Wolf and Microtech which would you choose?

 

My country once had a very wise president who said "Trust, but verify".

I would choose whichever EMS my engine tuner thinks he can configure for the greatest amount of success in my particular application, and still remain within my budget.

Examples of aspects that you should probably discuss with your tuner in order to choose the proper EMS:
1) Is closed-loop operation important?
2) Is electronic boost control important?
3) Is datalogging important?
4) Can the EMS control everything important?
5) Can the EMS control the required fuel injector configuration?
6) Is a special full-range Throttle Position Sensor or special MAP sensor required?
7) Are any optional modules required for this application?
8) Do I need to buy a laptop computer, and if so, which operating system do I need?
9) Can the EMS control the engine idle well enough for this applicaton?
10) How much is this going to cost?

* This list is an example, not a limitation.

 

Easily MoTec by far.

But cost is an issue.

 

Take a close look at the Autronic SM2. It'll do everything you need on a 13b. Ask Enzo what he thinks of his.

BK

 

Just out of curiousity, on what do you base your response? Do you own a MoTeC ECU? I can tell you first hand that MoTeC ECUs are pretty fantastic, and in some cases well worth the premium price they command. However, how in this instance would you say that the answer to the question, "What is the best management system" is "Easily MoTec by far." ??????

Bring the tech, please????

BK

 

Damn double posts. . . . . sorry

BK

 

Rick Engman

 

im in sydney and am a microtech dealer, my support is first class, microtechs use all your factory sensors, you dont need to change a thing, yes it does full staging for primary/secondary injectors

you will not find a ecu that is used more on rotarys in australia, 90% of them use it!

if you would like some pricing email me dale@braidedlines.com

Dale

 

I Have fitted Wolf ECUs to numerous makes and models of vehicles and never had a problem...The setup is the hardest but once got a handle on it,it tunes perfectly.
The tuning resolution on fuel is 0.003ms & .3 degrees
on ignition. The software has an adjustable filter [under RPMs] to stop any interference. I believe it is one of the most powerful systems in its price range.

 

i think the electromotive Tec3 is pretty easy to tune.