Anyone with a 600+ HP Setup???
12-27-01, 07:18 PM
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Originally posted by RICE RACING
Now on the fuel side, 4 x 96 lbhr = 3700cc of fuel per min with relative densidy is 0.78 for C16
This means that at 11.5:1 af ratio they would need to run at 105% duty cycle !
To get this power with that amount of fuel flow then the af would need to be closer to 12.4:1 to achieve 730bhp with 3700cc of fuel flow.
These however are all based on what he has said, it is very easy to have BIG differences in EXACT fuel flow rates on specific injectors and hence they could be flowing 10% more than what they are sold as in which case he could make that power with those injectors at the safer af ratio.
Again, it is pushing the limits, but it is achievable and is not an easily see through claim such as made by SR on their web site a while back
Just my clacs and thoughts.
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Now on the fuel side, 4 x 96 lbhr = 3700cc of fuel per min with relative densidy is 0.78 for C16
This means that at 11.5:1 af ratio they would need to run at 105% duty cycle !
To get this power with that amount of fuel flow then the af would need to be closer to 12.4:1 to achieve 730bhp with 3700cc of fuel flow.
These however are all based on what he has said, it is very easy to have BIG differences in EXACT fuel flow rates on specific injectors and hence they could be flowing 10% more than what they are sold as in which case he could make that power with those injectors at the safer af ratio.
Again, it is pushing the limits, but it is achievable and is not an easily see through claim such as made by SR on their web site a while back
Just my clacs and thoughts.
Regards.
Originally posted by Black680hp7
Mine has no problem maintaining 75 psi through out the rev's, I have heard the same thing from several people, however I typically live by the rule "if it aint broke, don't fix it". I actually made a bracket to hold 2 of these pumps, and I always carry a second one with me incase I need it, so far, the logs show I maintain pressure, and the Uego sensor confirms it.
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Mine has no problem maintaining 75 psi through out the rev's, I have heard the same thing from several people, however I typically live by the rule "if it aint broke, don't fix it". I actually made a bracket to hold 2 of these pumps, and I always carry a second one with me incase I need it, so far, the logs show I maintain pressure, and the Uego sensor confirms it.
Jason.
I guess it means the injectors would flow a little more since most injectors are messured at 44 PSI.
That is some precise tuning.:p
Still that SX fuel pump is performing better than most people would believe.
12-27-01, 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by stinkfist
I would like to know if I can use this unit on a second gen. Will it be plug and play?
Mike
I would like to know if I can use this unit on a second gen. Will it be plug and play?
Mike
OK, I just went to the web site and found out there is not a plug and play version for the T2. Will it be difficult to set the race version up on a T2? Is it just a matter of building a harness?
Mike
12-27-01, 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by stinkfist
OK, I just went to the web site and found out there is not a plug and play version for the T2. Will it be difficult to set the race version up on a T2? Is it just a matter of building a harness?
Mike
OK, I just went to the web site and found out there is not a plug and play version for the T2. Will it be difficult to set the race version up on a T2? Is it just a matter of building a harness?
Mike
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12-27-01, 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by HWO
Might work for FD's but what about people who dont have cars with factory speed sensors?
Might work for FD's but what about people who dont have cars with factory speed sensors?
It'll be funny to see the 4th gen come out and then people drop the 3rd gen like a rock... the value of an FD with a blown engine will go from $10k to just plain $10... Then goes in a carb'ed peripheral port motor...
12-27-01, 11:28 PM
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Originally posted by stinkfist
I would like to know if I can use this unit on a second gen. Will it be plug and play?
Mike
I would like to know if I can use this unit on a second gen. Will it be plug and play?
Mike
http://www.k2rd.com/Online_Catalog/Haltech/plugin.html
12-28-01, 09:23 AM
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I was checking out the K2RD page, specifically the ecu comparisons page, it does not list the E6K as closed loop compatible, like the wolf 3d, is this so?
I wouldn't mind going for the haltech, but I definatley want closed loop operation, does the limited tables of the wolf ever show up as a problem, like stumbles or surges?..
The Aem looks like a good system, unfortunatly its suggested price tag puts it at about 4000.00 bucks in Canada, nice if you can have it, but thats worth more than my car.....Max
I wouldn't mind going for the haltech, but I definatley want closed loop operation, does the limited tables of the wolf ever show up as a problem, like stumbles or surges?..
The Aem looks like a good system, unfortunatly its suggested price tag puts it at about 4000.00 bucks in Canada, nice if you can have it, but thats worth more than my car.....Max
12-28-01, 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by Maxthe7man
I was checking out the K2RD page, specifically the ecu comparisons page, it does not list the E6K as closed loop compatible, like the wolf 3d, is this so?
I wouldn't mind going for the haltech, but I definatley want closed loop operation, does the limited tables of the wolf ever show up as a problem, like stumbles or surges?..
The Aem looks like a good system, unfortunatly its suggested price tag puts it at about 4000.00 bucks in Canada, nice if you can have it, but thats worth more than my car.....Max
I was checking out the K2RD page, specifically the ecu comparisons page, it does not list the E6K as closed loop compatible, like the wolf 3d, is this so?
I wouldn't mind going for the haltech, but I definatley want closed loop operation, does the limited tables of the wolf ever show up as a problem, like stumbles or surges?..
The Aem looks like a good system, unfortunatly its suggested price tag puts it at about 4000.00 bucks in Canada, nice if you can have it, but thats worth more than my car.....Max
Some may say when a car is tuned properly, it does not need O2 sensor close loopWith the Wolf 3D version 3 seems to fall sort in drivability when running large injectors and high boost. Thats why there new 3D version 4 should be wellcomed. This unit will have a much higher resolution and alot of extra features..
http://www.wolfems.com.au/wolf_3d_page.html
I do not believe in plug and play on a 2nd gen RX7 because the air flow meter has to thrown away.(Does it get trown away in a true plug and play?)
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12-28-01, 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by Maxthe7man
I was checking out the K2RD page, specifically the ecu comparisons page, it does not list the E6K as closed loop compatible, like the wolf 3d, is this so?
I wouldn't mind going for the haltech, but I definatley want closed loop operation, does the limited tables of the wolf ever show up as a problem, like stumbles or surges?..
The Aem looks like a good system, unfortunatly its suggested price tag puts it at about 4000.00 bucks in Canada, nice if you can have it, but thats worth more than my car.....Max
I was checking out the K2RD page, specifically the ecu comparisons page, it does not list the E6K as closed loop compatible, like the wolf 3d, is this so?
I wouldn't mind going for the haltech, but I definatley want closed loop operation, does the limited tables of the wolf ever show up as a problem, like stumbles or surges?..
The Aem looks like a good system, unfortunatly its suggested price tag puts it at about 4000.00 bucks in Canada, nice if you can have it, but thats worth more than my car.....Max
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12-28-01, 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by moespeed
The E6K does have the option to do closed loop with O2 sensor reading although it seems that most of the Haltech tuners tend not to use this.
Some may say when a car is tuned properly, it does not need O2 sensor close loop
With the Wolf 3D version 3 seems to fall sort in drivability when running large injectors and high boost. Thats why there new 3D version 4 should be wellcomed. This unit will have a much higher resolution and alot of extra features..
http://www.wolfems.com.au/wolf_3d_page.html
I do not believe in plug and play on a 2nd gen RX7 because the air flow meter has to thrown away.(Does it get trown away in a true plug and play?)
The E6K does have the option to do closed loop with O2 sensor reading although it seems that most of the Haltech tuners tend not to use this.
Some may say when a car is tuned properly, it does not need O2 sensor close loopWith the Wolf 3D version 3 seems to fall sort in drivability when running large injectors and high boost. Thats why there new 3D version 4 should be wellcomed. This unit will have a much higher resolution and alot of extra features..
http://www.wolfems.com.au/wolf_3d_page.html
I do not believe in plug and play on a 2nd gen RX7 because the air flow meter has to thrown away.(Does it get trown away in a true plug and play?)
Jason.
12-28-01, 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by Black680hp7
Yes, I would ditch it. It is quite simple to wire the three wires off of the mass air plug to a map sensor and run a vacum line. The same thing is done with the Supra and Talon/Eclipse plug n play units.
Jason.
Yes, I would ditch it. It is quite simple to wire the three wires off of the mass air plug to a map sensor and run a vacum line. The same thing is done with the Supra and Talon/Eclipse plug n play units.
Jason.
seems like the installers do have some reading of tech notes before they can install a plug and play unit. Even in the RX7 2nd gen turboII there are at least two different wiring setups(87-88, & 89-91). You guys have or are doing alot of homework. Could this alone drive your prices up on installs or are your plug and play units user installable?
12-28-01, 12:33 PM
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Here's what I have so far for a GB cost on the new AEM Plug & Play ECU for FDs to be avaialable at the end of January, 2002. Retails for $1869. 4 units would be $1420 + shipping. 5-9 units would be $1345 + shipping. If we get 10 or more we'll find out what more we can save.
Let me know so we can be the first to get this new state-of-the-art ECU at a GREAT price.
Dave at KDR will be my tuner. He will be taking a course on this unit.
Ken
Let me know so we can be the first to get this new state-of-the-art ECU at a GREAT price.
Dave at KDR will be my tuner. He will be taking a course on this unit.
Ken
Originally posted by LUV94RX7 I'd like to get a GB together for this new product. Available at the end of 1-2002.
http://www.aempower.com/ems.htm
I'll coordinate it. I also posted this GB on www.nopistons.com and www.rx7forums.com
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mods: Hayes street port and polished stage II, Hurley 2mm Racing Seals, XS-Engineering T04E Turbo Kit, SMIC(bigger than stock),
Pettit ss resonated MP, Pettit ss cat-back, RP Racing fuel pump, Aquamist 2s water injection kit, under pulley kit(no air pump), Pettit short shifter kit, boost gauge, PFS-PMC(10psi & 15psi), Profec B, 1200cc injectors, LaBreck bushings, Evans coolant.
http://www.aempower.com/ems.htm
I'll coordinate it. I also posted this GB on www.nopistons.com and www.rx7forums.com
Ken, 57 years young,
'94 white, pep, red leather,
mods: Hayes street port and polished stage II, Hurley 2mm Racing Seals, XS-Engineering T04E Turbo Kit, SMIC(bigger than stock),
Pettit ss resonated MP, Pettit ss cat-back, RP Racing fuel pump, Aquamist 2s water injection kit, under pulley kit(no air pump), Pettit short shifter kit, boost gauge, PFS-PMC(10psi & 15psi), Profec B, 1200cc injectors, LaBreck bushings, Evans coolant.
12-28-01, 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by moespeed
Jason,
seems like the installers do have some reading of tech notes before they can install a plug and play unit. Even in the RX7 2nd gen turboII there are at least two different wiring setups(87-88, & 89-91). You guys have or are doing alot of homework. Could this alone drive your prices up on installs or are your plug and play units user installable?
Jason,
seems like the installers do have some reading of tech notes before they can install a plug and play unit. Even in the RX7 2nd gen turboII there are at least two different wiring setups(87-88, & 89-91). You guys have or are doing alot of homework. Could this alone drive your prices up on installs or are your plug and play units user installable?
Jason.
12-28-01, 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by Black680hp7
Our plug n play units are totally user installable. The differences in years for any broad applications is software configurable and preset from AEM. So far we have not looked at TII rx7's if we make them plug n play, they will be just that.
Jason.
Our plug n play units are totally user installable. The differences in years for any broad applications is software configurable and preset from AEM. So far we have not looked at TII rx7's if we make them plug n play, they will be just that.
Jason.
With the universal unit is there enough information that comes with it to allow a capable person such as "The Hitman" to install and tune it or do you have to spend more money for information and training?
I have installed and tuned the Haltech IG5, F9A, E6K & the AEM of Aus Wolf 3D by using the manuals and or softwares. Well I probably made a call or two mostly for confirmations on options. I realize the more complex a unit is the more problems you may have with custom installs.
Thanks for your time..
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12-28-01, 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by Black680hp7
$4000.00? How does that work, people are selling them in the states for under $1500.00 (about the same price as a haltech by the time you get everything you need) and it does automapping of fuel and timing, has internal datalogging as well as a ton of other features, what does the Haltech sell for in Canada?
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$4000.00? How does that work, people are selling them in the states for under $1500.00 (about the same price as a haltech by the time you get everything you need) and it does automapping of fuel and timing, has internal datalogging as well as a ton of other features, what does the Haltech sell for in Canada?
Jason.
I forgot about the ditching of the AFM, so how does the haltech PnP work? getting rid of the afm though is a good thing....shorter intake tract, no flapper door restriction... I would like to see a car run with all the systems before I lay the smack down for a stand alone, I have only seen a wolf 3d up close and personal, I may have to make a road trip to see some other systems...Max
12-28-01, 11:13 PM
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That would be cool... I wouldn't mind seeing the system first hand, i had a look at the software, alot of options compared to some of the other demo stuff I have downloaded, how did the leading and trailing ignition work out on your car? any problems?? Max
12-29-01, 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by Black680hp7
It's all there. The manuals are very thorough, as well as context sensative help to guide you.
Jason.
It's all there. The manuals are very thorough, as well as context sensative help to guide you.
Jason.
One more question.
Does your unit have to ability to calibrate inputs such as the map sensor or do you have to select the sensor from a list of choices?
12-29-01, 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by Black680hp7
I understand, I don't get involved with makebelieve, at the same time, I know what I know, and I am not here to make my self look better. I am here to help others with my experience. If you want to listen, great, if not, that's fine too. I also don't care who believes what I say and who doesn't, if I have to guess at a question, I will say I believe, or I think. If I have done it, I will state that as well. I enjoy helping people make their car faster, whatever it is. This is all in good fun for me, I don't keep secrets on my setup! There is more to it than just buying the parts, and going fast. That's what I am here for, if anyone wants it
Hopefully I used these smily faces correctly.
Jason.
I understand, I don't get involved with makebelieve, at the same time, I know what I know, and I am not here to make my self look better. I am here to help others with my experience. If you want to listen, great, if not, that's fine too.
I also don't care who believes what I say and who doesn't, if I have to guess at a question, I will say I believe, or I think. If I have done it, I will state that as well. I enjoy helping people make their car faster, whatever it is. This is all in good fun for me, I don't keep secrets on my setup! There is more to it than just buying the parts, and going fast. That's what I am here for, if anyone wants it Hopefully I used these smily faces correctly.
Jason.
What was your base fuel pressure?
Did you use the wet setup on the RICH side to assist the injectors?
12-29-01, 09:03 PM
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Ok, now I'm interesting in this group buy if it get under the $1500 mark.
I have a question about the self mapping. How accurate is this? Is it so good that I wouldn't worry about dyno tuning? How does it work? You just enter in the a/f by rmp and it controls the fuel and spark to meet the needs?
I've never delt with a self tuning computer so I'm not sure how it works.....could you give just a general idea of how it would be used everyday and how accurate it is? I'm sure you guys have dyno tested the self mapping to see how accurate it is. Will it map for any set up? If I upgraded to a big single down the road will it remap on its own real easy or what?
Jason, thanks for all the input.
Later,
STEPHEN
I have a question about the self mapping. How accurate is this? Is it so good that I wouldn't worry about dyno tuning? How does it work? You just enter in the a/f by rmp and it controls the fuel and spark to meet the needs?
I've never delt with a self tuning computer so I'm not sure how it works.....could you give just a general idea of how it would be used everyday and how accurate it is? I'm sure you guys have dyno tested the self mapping to see how accurate it is. Will it map for any set up? If I upgraded to a big single down the road will it remap on its own real easy or what?
Jason, thanks for all the input.
Later,
STEPHEN
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12-29-01, 09:26 PM
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Originally posted by SPOautos Ok, now I'm interesting in this group buy if it get under the $1500 mark
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12-30-01, 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by moespeed
Jason.
One more question.
Does your unit have to ability to calibrate inputs such as the map sensor or do you have to select the sensor from a list of choices?
Jason.
One more question.
Does your unit have to ability to calibrate inputs such as the map sensor or do you have to select the sensor from a list of choices?
jason