Hatchet Jack

I know how they work, how to make them, and how many companies and private dudes try to capitalize on them, but why are they necessary? I just dropped the subframe to fix stuff, and the stock toe links and eccentric bolts look fine and came apart no problem.

What am I missing?

driftfcbuckey

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adjustability.

Hatchet Jack

Yup, that's what they do... and so do the stock eccentric bolts.

driftfcbuckey

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have you ever aligned a car on a rack yourself and seen first hand the very minute amount the eccentric bolts actually move the arms?

Compare that with using aftermarket arms, and you gain adjustability. More than what stock offers.

If you can't realize the benefits of aftermarket arms, then you are within the factory means of adjustability, and aftermarket arms are not for you.

Hatchet Jack

Thanks! So if one finds himself not getting the desired toe after certain modifications, it's time for adjustable links. That makes sense, but what situations in your experience demand adj toe links?

joshuaput

If you lower your car a ton then you end up with crazy toe in. nobody wants that. so you adjust it out to zero. I dont understand how you cannot understand that. like if you know how to make them and all. stock stuff has almost no adjustability. unless you left your suspension completely stock then you probably need them. that literally the only time you wouldnt need them. and by toe links are you refering to lateral rods? cuz really rx7s dont have toe links. just lateral rods that adjust toe. and camber adjusters.

Hatchet Jack

Thanks for the info. The concept of the adjustable links is simple. However, after excessively lowering my fc, there were no issues getting the alignment fixed with the stock lateral links, save for the >-3* camber. I'm addressing the camber now, and am wondering about toe. That's all.

joshuaput

pics?

Hatchet Jack

Of the car or the alignment sheet?

lastphaseofthis

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you guys have got your parts and terminology all wrong.

when you do an alignment you worry about caster camber and toe. there is no eccentric for tow, tow is adjusted by spinning the tie rod.

Adjustable LINKs ( the only part that has adjustable eccentrics ) is your sway bar end links. nothing to do with toe.

you adjust the links to set the amount of body roll preroll if any. and to equalize body roll

Hatchet Jack

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Anyways, not sure how it helps, but...



That rear camber ^



I promise I'm not trolling. Just curious.

lastphaseofthis

iTrader: (8)

are you still having trouble comprehending an alignment ?

try this ...google "adjustable toe links"

you find they make no part for the front end that has to do with toe called that.
adjustable toe links are a rear suspension part...

Fleemer

My car is slammed to the ground and I can get rear toe with the factory eccentric bolts. I just did the alignment. I actually went from 2 deg toe in to .5 deg toe out (drifting) Only reason to get the adjustable toe arms to to replace bent or blown lateral arms. Factory adjustment seems to be enough. But this depends on your car, all are different slightly and you may need them in order to fully adjust but I doubt it.

Camber is the only thing hard to adjust. To do it properly you need spherical bearings in the control arms and adjustable end links. That or those super sketch "camber rods" that pull on the entire subframe crooked like

BoostedChad

LOL he is talking about the rear suspension....

eage8

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This thread is terrible....

I replaced the eccentrics with toe links because they're easier to adjust and eccentrics have a tendency to slip. to links won't ever slip.

also, the stock eccentrics don't work with AWR spherical bearings for the rear control arms without some work.

Hatchet Jack

Case closed. Thanks for the info, guys. Keep off the walls...