afro88

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BTW has anyone had their s4 clutch type diffs crap out on them? I'm hoping mazda clutch types last longer than Toyota.lol. Otherwise I'll be buying a 2 way lsd in about 3 months like i did with my last car

JDMark

the clutches in them wear out though after alot of miles, never hurts to get new clutches in the diff and pack some more in while your at it.

Tatakai

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whats your setup?

i seem to be suffering from too much grip lately

< stance GR+ running shocks at 7 in the front 6 in the rear, out of 15 and a recommended 6 all around.

leftcoastdrifter

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my trick is stiff suspension and a **** load of speed, i drifted my 80 corolla (te72) for about a year before wrecking it completely and the only thing i could do to maitain a presentable drift was go as fast as the thing could in the given amount of room i had, this also had resiperacating ball steering (hints the wreck) so stepping up to an FC was heaven. 4.5 turns lock to lock in the 72 and on 2.5 in the fc, hell yeah!

USS CJ

Well, what tire size are you running?

what exactly do you mean too much grip? Car straightens mid drift? Running ou of power? Or will it just not initiate?

My car is a Turbo II running ~1bar. HIS Hipermax IIs 5/5. All the way soft in the rear, 0 camber. 234/40/18 wanlis. Tons of grip, car feels great, gona probably take out my rear swaybar to get a bit more.

kinda an aside, Guys like Justin Pawlak run way soft all around and remove the rear sway for more grip, but obviously the lower power will change the way you set up you car.

Tatakai

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stock tires now, since its really crappy weather. does well with the ground all wet, but when its dry i straighten out mid-drift if i can initiate at all. maybe it's just my lack of experience, and that i haven't been to a track yet. pretty much all my FC drifting experience has been in deserted parking lots, mostly in 1st gear sometimes 2nd for bigger lots.

afro88

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I think it's all about driving style and preference. One persons setup may not work for you. Or it may work wonders. I think playing with your own settings will yeild the best results.

Jesse[SM]

I agree with this. When I first started drifting I had a pretty stiff setup on my S14, with dampers set to full stiff in the rear and 2 clicks down in the front. it was pretty easy to handle and get loose with the stock KA, but after installing my JICs on the FC, with the added power I had to turn those down much softer in the rear otherwise it was just donut city. with the added cushion(still stiffer than stock mind you) I was able to hold a drift longer and even accelerate mid-drift.

Also, I was reading an article in one of Andrew's subie sports that was written by Kumakubo, and he recommended the same sort of setup for RWD Imprezas, so I think it may be close to universal amongst higher HP cars.

ProjectR13B

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On my old GXL, I actually got better control when I replaced the rear suspension (stock for stock), and my front was somewhat soft.

I'm just getting back into drifting after about 2 years. (blew my engine)

Now I have a stock 89 GXL, the AAS still works, and i'm going to throw on some corksport strut bars when I get home today.

ProjectR13B

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lol I learned how to counter steer ebraking in an accord. its a comfortable feeling knowing your slowing down while the car is sideways. Help me improve reaction time on the 7 aswell. *** dragging is still not drifting though by a long shot.

Roen

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haha, so did I, with the accord, but I wouldn't consider that drifting either by a long shot.

Now I just load up the suspension and unload it at the same time as I apply the throttle. Much more fun that way.

Tatakai

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yea i dont plan on using someones setup and if i cant use it be like "omg ur setup suckz" i just want something to work off of. i just have the front 1 click stiffer than the rear.. i think my main problem is probably the DTSS. LOL

Roen

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omgwtfbbq?

DTSS must go for drifters......you can do it without it, but it's not so fun.

USS CJ

Make sure you get rid of DTSS. yes you can drift without it, but if you want to progress, youll want a stable back end. A stock sized tire is just fine for Na power. Get stiffer springs, or shock, or coilovers lol. This will help the cr from snapping back mid drift. Make sure you have an LSD, clutch type is best. Any S4 clutch type will be just fine.

In terms of initiation, keep your foot floored, dont brake, or lift off. Give the wheel i sleight flick and clutch kick, then modulate the gas to control angle. If you feel the angle shallowing, or your speed falling/car dropping out of the powerband, clutch kick again.

DOnt be gentle either, beat the **** out of it lol.

Valkyrie

Whether or not you need to floor the gas to drift an NA depends on whether or not you've got decent tires, a good, new suspension, etc...

Of course, you're not going to be doing a decent drift without these things.

Also, one thing you're going to WANT even if you don't NEED them are reinforced motor, transmission, and diff. mounts. And maybe an engine damper while you're at it.

Why? Because of the increased throttle response... lets you break the rear out with throttle easier, and more precisely.

flipside27

well everyone, i pick up my gtu/gxl tomarrow morning!
ill be able to test all of your theories really soon!

USS CJ

Dont listen to this guy.

He has some good points, and stiffer mounts are beneficial, but that money would be better spent on suspension, a new seat or steering wheel.


Drifting doesnt require perfect thottle response, and a perfectly set up car, it requires you to go out, drive, and have fun, thats all that matters.

Rotary Noob

Ive found that a nicely timed gear shift, or clutch kick, with a sharp steering input kicks the *** end out rather nicely...even with sheisty suspension, and DTSS. Granted, I didnt get much angle, but I held it rather nicely at 6500 around the corner.

And I can get my open diff truck sideways with a clutch kick or a power over in the rain...no way in hell that pig would get sideways dry...

As far as what Ive done to my car now though...I have a whole bunch that I havent tested on it yet...Im deleting the power steering, I have an 8 point cage (no door bars yet...havent had time to finish making them), poly urethane bushings, a T2 transmission...fresh rebuild, S4 LSD, ACT Stage 3, with a 6 puck, and 11.5lb flywheel, KYB GR-2's, some funky coil over thingy that allowed me to drop the car down till I can afford actual springs, and a custom rear camber adjust bar.

I still need to get front camber plates, and get it all put back together. Once I do, it should have 0 flex (I will try to get pics of my cage up...) and respond very well.

TheDarkRacer

hehe i bought some Ground controls on ebay the other day.... and well... my car still doesnt run but it was too good of a deal to pass up. Now i just gotta buy some shocks and pick up my engine and ill be telln u guys how i set my car up

BrettLinton7

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Holy crap, mine just did this today. Tomrrow I'm searching for a replacement...

whorider

Yes a nicely timed gear shift works wonders for drifting an NA.

racerlinkfc

ive drifted my na for about a year with crappy suspension and tires now im stepping it up and installing my tein ha coilovers i just bought the dtss bushings and doing a t2 swap after i get finished i can go play at my local track . hopefully i can get better

batmanfc

i have heard the stock LSD are really crappy and give out quick. is that really true? and what is the DTSS that everyone is talking about, i have a general idea but i want to be positive.

TheDarkRacer

DTSS=crap.
Pretty much is a system that madza made where when you corner hard the rear tires toe in a degree or so. They say it Sucks for drifting and auto-x.

Roen

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if theory was 100% accurate, it would work fine, but it's not and disturbs handling at the limit if you're not used to it.

Eliminate it, it's a lot of money to replace it with new hubs. (Over $1k)