micah

Drifting an FWD car is like banging your cousin... She might be fast enough and easy enough, but in the end you'll just feel disappointed and awkward.

FWD is for retards.

Roen

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e-braking a cavalier doesn't count as drifting

flipside27

your right about that

and what do you mean by seat time???

and thanks Valkyrie for answering my question without all the bull ****

RRTEC

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I get my automatic LS400 sideways occasionally... There is a guy that drifts at our local events in a 1989 Mercury Grand MArquis.... You can get anything sideways it's all about practicing..

duquetco

Ive had your video on my myspace for like, 6 months. lol.

flipside27

i think your just a weenie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4CFWS9wXo4

Omixeo

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Seat time, as in practice, practice, practice, practice. All the power and all the suspension in the world won't make you a good driver until you know how to utilize it to its fullest. Thats why I recommend learning in a stock'ish car, because you can quickly overcome the limitations of a stock car and then gradually move up.

alphaxxn

steering angle increase is usually a bandaid fix for people who go full lock too soon or expect too much.

Add steering angle and mods when your skill exceeds your car's ability.

flipside27

good advice

Roen

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If you can go through multiple continuous switchbacks without losing speed, then it's considered drifting. Care to wager if FWD's can do that?

Turbo II Rotor

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Steering angle mod is a necessity on an fc. The car has no angle and it's not a bandaid. Wouldn't you want to got to full lock as soon as possible to stop the car from spining then back off till the drift is controled?

flipside27

lmao!
u should tell them that! Teach them what drifting is please!!! So they dont post any more "non-drifting" drifting vids

"care to wager..." lol

Roen

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All I see is that they're yanking the ebrake over and over again while keeping the wheel turned. You can even see them getting slow towards the end of the corner!

BTW, laws of physics, you can't maintain speed when immediately turning in the other direction if your drive wheels are in the front. Thinking multiple continuous esses that tighten up, and then open into a large increasing radius sweeper. Any course like that would immediately kill all FWD's in the first round, since they have to straighten on the sweeper, or get passed while they keep their slide on without power. Notice I said slide, and not drift. If courses were designed with sections like that that keep repeating, no FWD car would ever come close to winning. But, then they'd upset all the FWD fanboys. How would you keep your speed up in a section like that?

Dude, I've been into drifting before Initial D was popular in Japan. That's pre-1996. That's why I hate it now that all the newbs are here claiming they know what it is. That D1 civic? I don't even consider that drifting.

flipside27

i feel you and get what your sayin'
what you said makes sence.

But in the end, who gives a **** what you or anyone else conciders drifting as?
u cant argue the rules with the ones who created the game.

and hey this is off topic anyway
more ish about NA drifting!

Rotary_Knight

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Thanks man that's dope, hopefully soon enough I'll have more footage with crazier and better driving We'll see what happens.

As for NA drifting, I love it. I think it's the best way to go before any turbo business. Guys tell me to go turbo and get some coilovers and I'll be crazy but I want to stay NA. I still have a lot of improvement to do. I still haven't even set up the suspension to anything outstanding (just cut springs lol) But I have a small suprise coming up and we'll see how this affects my driving. Check my blog for updates. NA rocks!!!!

themick1414

I have to agree with Omixeo and a_drift here. In any sport it's about your skill not about your equipment. The pros will use crazy equipment because they have enough skill to use the stuff to it's full potential. You don't need a turbo to drift, you don't "need" an lsd, or new coilovers, or a new steering wheel, or low-profile tires. There are plenty of videos out there of NA FC's and other "lower power" cars drifting.

krazy13

YUP!!! The basic theory of drift is getting the car sideways... it may not be easy for guys like me with my 87 with NO MODS... but hey... those are the brakes. Basic things you need to make it easier are coil-overs (or springs/shocks), lsd, and power mods... But in my case power mods are scarce... so I get to go in the way of efficacy. So I get to do stuff like lighter flywheel, clutch, drive shaft, and LIGHTER RIMS... Basic theory... less rotating mass = more velocity. But I could be wrong.

mmmjesse

all stock 91 open diff. just get in the car and drive it. later on i put dtss eliminators in and it was the best money i spent on the car.



-seat time
-seat time
-dtss eliminators

Turbo II Rotor

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You will find that once you install any lsd the car is going to spin alot more that you like. My friend has an 88 sport model and he can whip the car and get good angle only to have the rear open and just spin inside tire. When he drive my car he spins every time and has a hard time holding a drift.

Roen

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level headed, able to take criticism, and not come back with insults, looks like there's hope for newbies after all.

Welcome to the forums.

flipside27

Thanks
and im glad to be here

alphaxxn

NB miatas have less steering angle than NA miatas. NB Mazdaspeeds have even less due to them having 17's and Mazda having to reduce angle in order for the larger wheels to not rub on the inside frame rail. They all drift great. "If you learn to drift a Miata you can drift anything."

What I was meaning to say was that adding steering angle because the "car doesn't have enough angle to drift" is like saying "I understeered into the tree because my front tires weren't wide enough" or "My brakes faded into the turn down the mountain because I am not using an aggressive enough compound" instead of "My brakes faded because I am driving too hard on the street" or "I understeered because I took a false line and panic braked."

Sure, when you've already figured out how to take and maximize the potential of the car out of the box, you can add or subtract what you see fit, but saying that additional angle is neccessary is incorrect. In my eyes growing up with skill instead of modification will make you a better driver in the long run. Learning to cope with existing chassis 'problems' or charecteristics makes for a better, more rounded driver.

P.S. Steering isn't the only thing you can modulate on the fly. Typically with low-powered small angle cars you drift with your feet.

Valkyrie

If you drift a stock FC with cheap tires on the rear and worn out suspension like I did (once), you're going to wish you had a lot more steering angle... otoh, a bucket seat would have been nice at the time too (Japanese drifters consider bucket seats a REQUIREMENT for drifting).

I ended up at full lock SO many times (it only takes about a second to get there), and still spun out every time (except for when I took the one corner at half speed), earning me the title The Cone Killer.

afro88

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Haha. This thread is funny. Why?

Well this weekend I will be trading my 87 Corolla GTS (hachiroku, hachi, ae86, trueno, etc for all you cool kids) for an 88 gtu rx7. I have had my Corolla for two years and have done all types of things to it. KAAZ 2 way lsd, kirkey aluminum bucket seat, you name it. the gtu is pretty much stock but it has more power than the ae86 and has much more sophisticated susp geometry. All in all I think the fc is a better drift car na or not. i cant wait to get it! Even with track time on my Corolla I think it wil be a different experience and a welcomed one. Even though I am on the losing side of this trade as far as business sense goes, but we are both getting what we want. NA 13b has more power than a stock ka from the 240 so i'm cool with that.

BTW A_drift I sent you the message on ncd.

Roen

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how much do KA's make?

88's make 146 hp NA.