ok, so this may be just my car (86 Sport) but has anyone else noticed more understeer after putting in the dtss eliminators? i find that my car handles better mid drift/corner and exit but has a noticable amount of understeer upon entry. before i could initiate but coming in hot, step on the brakes and turning in and the *** end would just slide out easily, but now, she wants to push right through the entry and into the dirt or wall. of all the reading i did and talking to other FC owners about the eliminators not a one mentioned more understeer. i see now why Mazda gave the FC dtss, it actually works fairly well when working properly.

 

sounds like the opposite to me. as you turn in the dtss will counter act the oversteer by toeing in. if they are worn the make the car feel sloppy and loose. the dtss eliminators fix the slop in the rear suspention common to fc's. if your still having problems try raising your rear tire presure 10 or 20 psi. if that doesnt help take off the rear sway bar. your initial thoughts of the oversteer on turn in was more than likely the dtss being worn out and toeing out causing the rear to step out easily at turn in.

 

depends on how hard you turn in actually. they can change, low lateral gave you toe out, high lateral gave you toe in. and raise my tires 20 psi higher then rated? huh? i've over come my understeer problem already, it just took me awhile to figure it out. a couple of minor adjustments here and there and she was rocking again. i was just wondering if anyone else had experienced this.

 

I can't imagine trying to drift with DTSS still installed. The changing toe while near to beyond the limit makes the rear unpredictable once the limit is exceeded.

 

Im confused now. Ppl tell me its easier to drift with dtss eliminators, now this thread says it understeers.. whats what ?? lol

 

No, its simple.

Get rid of DTSS. You want your rear susp geometry to be consistent, not randomly toeing in and out.

His car is understeering beause its either set up badly, he isnt driving well, the tires suck, or a milli of other reasons. DTSS isnt one of them.

 

i'd say it's easier to initiate with the DTSS as it was on my car, broken i believe, because the *** end swung out very easily and predictably. now, i'm not saying the eliminators sucked and that i want DTSS back. mid drift the car feels so much more stable and the kick back when straightening back out is much much smoother then it was before. and snap over steer is much better too. i'm just saying that initiating the same way i did before is no longer an option. and no one had ever told me that it was gonna change this much. i'd say overall it was a very good trade off.

 

Yeah. Braking to initiate is kid-town anyway.

Kick the clutch!

 

i do's it all the time

DTSS is nothing. People use it as an excuse to suck.

unpredictability = lack of seat time. youll learn eventually

I can see it effecting the way the car handles when your on the edge between gripping and drifting. Once you have past the threshold of grip (aka DRIFTING), it shouldnt have any influence on the car whatsoever

Adapt and overcome

 

Russ=hardcore.


OP, maybe you do have something off with your suspension/alignment. Are your front tires losing traction and sliding?

Try these:

Feint/brake combo
Feint/clutchkick combo
Brake/clutchkick combo

I played around with my fc for about two hours drifting around a corner infront of my house with braking drifts in a bone stock car and it wasn't working out for me at all. With the feint, when you get ready to swing back in, tap the brakes AND lift the gas at the same time. *** gets loose EVERY TIME if you time it right. That's my favorite way to initiate.

 

i played around a lot with my suspension and found that if i go in with high revs, lift off and tap the brakes she slides like a dream. and as far as clutch kicking goes. my clutch is pretty much junk so it's out of the question. once it's warmed up it doesn't like to hold much. that's actually how i learned to brake drift. more out of necessity then actual dedicated practice.

 

i'd have to agree with that. i didn't find DTSS to be actually holding me back and that's why i never complained about it. i just heard that the eliminators were a must for drifting and decided to put them in. people kept telling me over and over again how great they are. i'd say it was a nice upgrade but nothing out of this world. overall i'm happy with my decision.

 

DTSS = same engineering idea as HICAS.

you dont hear nissan people still running that ****.

"oh it helps!" - no. get rid of it like the plague.

 

john

come on.

shift-lock has sucked for like 8 months and 326 power wont let you in since the incident with the paper shredder and the hooker.

 

oooo what has hapnd with the hooker???? inciden what when where???!!?! im nosy ahahahah

 

i still have my stock dtss thing. I think the car drives pretty good,iono should i upgrade? do i REALLY need the eliminators??? is it that much better??


i have aquestion guys...

my rear driver side wheel has more camber than my rear passenger side wheel.. What can I get to make my alignment even? I think Techtrix told me that fcs ucant adjust the rear camber idividually?? is my rear subframe bent? Its rreally killing my tire wear, one tire wil literally blow up first and the other still have tread. i always gotta rotate the rear tires after everyrun..

 

it's blown over since it happened...but for awhile me and haruguchi weren't talking.
let's just say office equipment and japanese prostitutes don't work. we're back to being best buddies again.

 

Remove the DTSS.. Its logical that you dont want to have any "systems" allowing the car to "change" as you drive..
I dont like the DTSS.. I got one car with, one without..
In the end its easier to drift with a stiff rear end.. Though, you gotta keep in mind that you want traction or else you`ll never be able to keep the speed you need to ROOOCK!!..
I say use DTSS elimintators... No big operation and last time i checked it didnt cost alot either..

 

hey, I wanna start drifting my FC but have never really gotten sideways in anything cept my suburu 2.5rs in the snow around a bus circle with the ebrake going up and down and flooring my automatic in 1st.lol. Do you think it would be better to learn with out the DTSS (stock) or with it? keep in mind I have a stock N/A and no access to any open track days. All I have is parking lots and back roads with friends with walkie talkies at either end of the corner.lol. I've gotten the FC sideways on the dirt at like 20mph but thats easy. I'm talking about pavement here. sucks living in VT. I am working on my T2 rebuild though so I hope that will help. anyway, anyone got suggestions for learning +/- the DTSS?

 

LIke RUSS. I have been running 180,000 mile stock DTSS. Ive been drifting it just like that for 3 years..

Its all seat time..

 

Technically you can drift anything but that doesn't change the fact 4 wheel steering is garbage.

Just because ken block can drift awd on tarmac doesn't mean d1 drivers should all go to awd and get more seat time......

 

Ken block is gay. DOnt be amazed by something that took all day with 100's of attempts and video clips sorted to make him look SOOO GOOOD>.

Just like skating videos.. u really think he did that gap.. just like that.. NOPE took like 6 tries.

The point is.. DOnt be discouraged by some freaking bushings... JUst go and practice.

 

ya, you're right. I definatley need seat time but like I said, there aren't any tracks that have open track days close to me. I bet the closest one is like 3-4 hours driving distance away. I'll just have to deal with learning at a snails pace a little at a time and try not to get tickets. thanks guys for the info.