SPICcnmGT

^Agreed. If you want to drive it like a race track, go to the race track. And yes it can be as harder or harder on your car driving the gap as it is driving on the track. ex. I noticed my coolent temps started to climb some as I was driving, which on the track it doesn't do it as bad because you have more airflow due to speed and/or usually not following someone the whole time on the track.

superfastrx7

Too many damn rules but I see you point. Next year, I will sign up and will also participate (buy a t-shirt and have dinner) but more than likely will drive on my own time to avoid someone on my *** or for that matter following someone too close. I pretty much like to show up to look at everyones elses cars and for good conversations too and new friends. I guess I am sorry for those of you that are now banned but I guess you can still show up and look at the cars, maybe even ride with them too since it is a public road and you can even stay at Fontana Village less the discount that is.

We had a great time though. although not too crazy about all the current forms and forms to come.

Herblenny

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I want to say one more thing.. I think some of you are VERY mature and understand where Im coming from.. Some of you, And I see this very common through out this forum just like to complain and bitch! If you are at least going to complain, come up with a solution and not just bitch about what went wrong or what kind of decision I'm making...

RoughRex

Lot's of good points being made in this thread. I agree 100% that a 1 year ban is fair for those who wreck!

+Eleventy Zillion!!

This statement can not be stressed enough:

skrewloose78

well this wreck has opened alot of doors. it could have been alot worse and im glad it wasnt. i dont have anything against joey,he was a really nice guy but now that i think about it he shouldnt have been in the group runs. not because im saying hes a bad driver but because he wasnt in the event.
it would be a good idea to do some sort of inpection in this event. (im not talking **** here im just giving an example)like say if someone shows up in a bone stock,worn out,base rx7 with just regular,worn street tires,this is the first year they come and they want to run in the fastest group?
ok i agree on the "BANNING" from the event because of a wreck somewhat. if a person causes a wreck then yes the should be kicked to the curb, if a person is hit in a wreck by someone else and its not thier fault then they shouldnt banned. the reason i say that is there was a few times that i came real close to getting hit. i had about 4(maybe more) bikes that came into my lane and i had to jam my brakes and serve a little bit,another bike i saw passing like crazy.

if possible it would be good to see if people have insurance. that way if they do happen to cause a wreck they person they hit will be covered. the people who caused the past 3 wrecks ive been involved in were not covered by insurance.

Herblenny

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Very Good point Skrewloose78!

I believe the guy last year who hit the 3rd gen didn't have insurance or something..

Only way I could control stuff like this is to now make you guys register for DGRR event with detail what you need to HAVE and prove you have it (ie insurance, age, understanding the WAIVER, etc)... And this is what I'm planning to do for next year. Its going to be more strict and more define times for when the event is and when you are free to do what ever you want on your own times.. I have few ideas about what I'm going to do next year and going to start locking in dates and locations... Also, registration dates and penalty for signing up late and such.

Regarding 2 rotorheads getting in an accident.. Yes, the person at fault will be banned for a year. The person who's not at fault will not.

ZGN

I was in the car in front of the miata. I was filming forward, had a roof mount cam, I Thought about letting him in front, but decided to try to film the rx-7's, not the miata's.

Listen to Phill, and be safe, or you might end up like this guy.

DRTHVDR

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.....I have an opinion (Ask my wife or anyone that knows me; I'm ALL opinions):
This is PHIL'S event. He "invented" it. He put in the effort, heart, time, money (perhaps not in that order). And whatever he says GO'S. If he said, "Aaron can only run the gap if he shows me a copy of his insurance, a driving record, and to show him my third nipple (Inside joke)....I will. If I want to attend HIS event, I'll abide by HIS rules. No one is making people go. No one has THE RIGHT to go. We're all there because a great guy puts on a great event so that WE can enjoy the weekend. Believe me....Phil doesn't get a whole lot of fun out of the weekend. We all (espicially me) owe Phil more than what we gave.

STREET RACING IS BAD MK

I agree. also with any future issues we should all think, not bitch lol. these are great idea's for next year.

Herblenny

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Thanks DRTHVDR,

I'm not trying to be UNREASONABLE Here or Sound "REDICULOUS"! But for some you think I am...

I been saying this over and over when Perkystina criticized about the waiver.... And eventually I became hardass about it... This event just don't happen by itself as some of you might think.. Nor because its free and takes partly on public road you could do whatever you want to do.. We are representing small rotary community and I created this event so we could all have a good time.... Sure there are some rules involved... and I dont like it as much as some of you on here.. But we dont live in a perfect world! That being said, I hope those who think otherwise will sit back and think about it for a minute and realize its all being said to eliminate future problems and such!! After you think about it and still think I'm being unreasonable or being "rediculous", then you have EVERY RIGHT not to attend! As I nor any other rotorheads are twisting your arms to attend.

DRTHVDR

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Everyone try to have fun in at your respectfull skill levels and Phil......don't sweat it anymore.

STREET RACING IS BAD MK

YAY let the man crush spread!!!! lol

zonblitz

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Preach on man, do what you can, we all appreciate it.

There will always be some CHOAD who tries to bitch of screw it up... it's just the law of averages I guess.

I for one will be back!

turbodrx7

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Well since my car wasnt tuned this year, i didnt get to make it. I will try to be there next year, but dunno about it anymore. This is just getting insane. Banning people for making a mistake on a road? Thats just stupid, he already wrecked his car, and now you are telling him he cant come back. And that waiver saying you cant be there unless your over 18? That is the stupidest thing i have ever heard. Age limits? Your making very large stereo types here, and its going to deter people who actually want to come. I do thank phil for putting all this together, i know it is alot of work, but you cant do that, you cant control it that much, its just a public meet.

Herblenny

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Geez! I'll say this.. If you think what I'm doing is stupid, Just don't come.. Simple solution to what you don't agree! And yes, I could do this. Until you set up your own event, I have every right to exclude any driver under 18 without parental consent. Go look it up if you like..

Regarding banning of driver's who refuses to follow simple rules, they must also follow and realize simple consequences of getting banned for a year! If you or others feel different, Again, don't attend. I rather those of you not agreeing with me to not attend than deal with the headaches at the event.

STREET RACING IS BAD MK

OMFG STAY HOME!!!!!!! I am getting so tired of reading this bull*&$# go to Deal's Gap on your own time please! Bunch of ingreats! Why is there no sense of how un-public this event really is. Maybe it's B/C im a law student. If it was up to me I would make all of you sign a waiver to even chew bubble gum.

prew

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This is all pretty simple guys, IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU HEAR DON'T ATTEND.

This event is not just a public event with RX-7s on the dragon. Phil organized the discount at Fontana Village, secured the picnic area, and catered both lunch and dinner on Saturday. I am sure there is more that I am missing as I do not know how much goes into organizing an event like this.

Point is. If you want to take advantage of these things that have been provided by Phil you need to live by his rules. What if the Police showed up at the Dam on Saturday or at the Tennessee side of the Dragon and said leave now. That would not have been very fun for anyone and it has happened at RX-7 events that I have been to in the past. There is a reason this event went so smoothly, don't forget that.

Also as far as banning people for their mistakes I don't think it is a bad idea. There is enough risk to running the dragon without worrying about people in our own group initiating accidents.

turbodrx7

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I do relize you could do this. But you are making to big of a stereo type with it. I am young, if i did come, i wouldnt even attempt to push my car on the dragon, i dont drive like that, i would much rather cruise. But if i was under 18 i wouldnt be allowed? Not that it matters, but i would like to know the age of the driver in the miata. Im willing to bet he wasnt under 25. What rules are there? If you want to push your car, why cant you? I relize you are trying to keep people safe since you feel as if this event is "yours" persay, which you did start it, and do it, but its still public. If i was 16 and wanted to go, i could wether you wanted me there or not. Its public.

Herblenny

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Ok.. Before I answer your question... I need some of you to understand, I tend to repeat things OVER and OVER and OVER!!! Hence why I get so frustrated..

If you are under 18, you are a minor.. Unless you, turbodrx7 is willing to take responsibility of all the minors at DGRR, I am NOT going to allow them to attend unless their parents gives some sort of written consent and knows the waiver.. Geez! Its pretty simple stuff! Also, unlike what you think, event DOES NOT just take place in public roads!!!! Why can't some of you REALIZE that other stuff takes place on this event!

Again, If you don't like it, go do it yourself on your own time! Or Bring all the minors and you take responsibility when something goes bad. If they goto hospital and then realize you can't sign anything because the parents didn't give you permission.... and if you did sign for something, you'll be liable for it and the parents could make a lawsuit... Why can some of you see beyond just the event??? WHY?? Again, instead of complaining about the event, come up with a solution.. And regarding under 18, you must have consent or your parent(s) must attend the event. Thats a solution!

By the way, I'm not stereotyping.. If I were to stereotype, I would say, "No Dumbasses allowed!"... in this case, I don't want to be liable for minors.. Do you NOW understand the difference?

STREET RACING IS BAD MK

Parents consent!! read the forum before you start blah blah! It has nothing to do with driver skill (read this again and again untill you understand) it has all to do with legal obligations for minors. anyone under the age of 18 IS...A.....LEGAL...OBLIGATION.... not a bad driver. And everyone is a little to sue happy these days so wise up and think before you speak.

P.S nothing but love so dont take it personal.

DRTHVDR

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You are correct. You could be there, sneak around, play the part "Whoa is me who is young" but you wouldn't make any friends or contacts. Listen, we live in a POS judicial system where the bigger the ******* you are, the more liable you make everyone else. Here's the RUB: If you're under 18...YOU ARE A CHILD. If you complain, you are only proving that you don't deserve the responsibility of an adult. You have to wait to drink untill you're 21. You'll have to wait until you're 18 to attend PHIL'S DGRR. Otherwise have dad drive you there.

This a FUN event with GREAT people. Bottom Line. It's getting larger every year and therefore requires more control.

golferfreddie

Sure it is a public road and you can drive the road whenever and however you want and you can push your car beyond its limits if you want and end up in a ditch or off the cliff or hurt someone else. But the meet at the dam is not public, the area was reserved through TVA for our use during the event. The meals that were organized were not public either. The parts of this event that are not public are centered around the enjoyment and safety of the attendees. The speakers that are invited are there to express the dangers of the road and what to look out for. Might have helped for the Miata guy to hear...

Turbo II

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[QUOTE]Banning people for making a mistake on a road?[?QUOTE]

That mistake on the road could have VERY easily hurt or killed other people. That's the whole point. You CANNOT make mistakes on Deals Gap and expect to get away with it. It was covered time and again at the dam and at the lake before we left on that run. I know Joey and like him but I have to agree with Phil and his rules, needs and wants.

Herblenny

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Thank you for clearing that up for MR. turbodrx7..

I'm telling you.. I question about some of you as I consider some of the things mention on this thread to be somewhat of a common sense....

Again!!!

I need all of you to realize, I don't want to make rules! But since we don't live in a perfect world, rules must exist so those of you without common sense don't do some stupid **** to ruin others from having a good time.... If you disagree, I say stay home or come some other times when we are not there. ITS THAT SIMPLE!

superfastrx7

It is very simple.... if you don't like the rules then don't come but I too agree that too many rules just flat out sucks but you can't blame Phil for trying to maintain good safe conditions. Now I am begining to think that if this is his event and it is that maybe he could end up getting sued if someone is out there being stupid (you may be covered on the waiver form.... are you?).

Now I did not see the accident but it sounds like he pushed the Miata a little too hard or maybe the tires weren't up to par but all in all it sounds like it was a mistake..... and that can happen to anyone. I think you'll need to have an investigation before you just tell someone you are out for a year.