cmanns

A new theme, the dark one has crap graphics and the light one I've seen for the past 6 years of my life or so.

As dhahlen said reputation system would be nice.

Last suggestion, give mods a pay raise ~_~ I was warned for "Posting made up information." I didn't make up anything, misunderstood. I think the mods need some of those chillax pills. (No I'm not asking for the warn to be removed or anything, it's just 100% TOTALLY pointless, someone had a cork up their ***) makes me wonder how often that **** happens.

Hope that helps =)

VAXHeadroom

I recently posted a thread in classifieds that I was going to sell the parts from a parts car. Very cheap prices. There's basically only one of each thing from a car, so that shouldn't violate the 2+ rule. You had to come to my house to pick up the parts, I said I wouldn't ship at these cheap prices, so this is only for about maybe 30 guys in maryland, not every FB owner in the world. I specifically excluded the engine, trans, rear, and windshield, so if I made over $200 I'd be shocked.

This thread was deleted with no notice or PM. I sent a message to the administrators and never got an answer.

How does this violate any of the rules for FOR SALE / NO DEALERS? Why wasn't I at least notified, and why didn't I get any response to my inquiry from the admins?

Thanks for addressing this.

Emory

SGesel

I don't post much on this forum, but I will say that this forum is the only active place where we can find info and parts for our cars, especially FB and FC owners. I have bought parts from many individuals, and I believe that guys who go to the junkyard and find a couple extra FC taillights or something like that should be able to make them available for us to buy without being penalized or charged. I understand if you have a parts company and ship tons of parts every day, but don't squeeze out the guy who just wants to help his fellow 7 owners in getting the ever increasingly rare parts we need, at a price we can afford. We are a community with a common goal, the preservation and improvement of the RX-7, and I hate to see this forum bring torn down by a company who probably has never owned an RX-7, and surely doesn't appreciate the knowledge and parts supply that is offered here.

As far as the mod situation goes, I know a lot of people have had problems with some of them, and all I can say is that if you follow the rules, you shouldn't have a problem. On the other hand, there needs to be a system in place where we can voice our opinions if we as a group feel that a mod is overextending his reach, we should be able to have his status removed.

That is all

F1blueRx7

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I agree. I think mods should come up with one unified direction on issues (Previously approved by Board management IB and Ryan) and be uniform in punishment/enforcement. Obviously what the moderators are enforcing is not in line with the direction Ryan feels this board should be going or this thread would not exist.

This leads back to charlies7 recommendation to clarify exactly with numbers what makes someone a frequent seller AND come up with reasonable solution. Not many folks on here will pony up 200 dollars a month to advertise a few 2nd gen parts that on their own value will not recoup the value in seller fees.

DrKillJoY

This isn't an issue.

Only individuals who abuse the policy rule or who maintain a constant stream of these parts cars should even have concern, even then it's not like some level of communication occurs before a judgement is made.

F1blueRx7

iTrader: (5)

Well let me pose a question that I havn't seen asked before and this is important to ryan since it should be brought up.

Have those folks that have been identified as frequent sellers been presented with the option of reducing the amount of sales to below a specific amount? or if they continue to list more items for sale they will have their threads closed and they will need to pay to continue creating ANY FS threads at all?

DrKillJoY

Too many people lie about their birthdays already.... are you expecting us to ID everyone who signs up for the site too? Reconsider and resubmit your request.

DrKillJoY

Good question, however I have to defer that question to the Classified moderation staff. They are working more closely with the individual cases than I am.

ilike2eatricers

what about a referral/invite system for access to sections like the lounge or fs?

RedR1

iTrader: (5)

Honestly, I've sold an old headlight kit to a person with zero post count, but was a member since 2003. I don't think they know anyone on the forum, they just keep an eye out for deals and what not. if they don't know anyone, then i don't know if they would be able to get an invite for the "for sale" section.

Sure, it would prompt them to post in other area's, but if those posts are just menial spam, then it wouldn't really do any good.

As for the lounge, that one is fair game. Just chiming in on the FS part.

ilike2eatricers

werd..... but what how can we pick on newbs if they need referrals to get into the lounge???? i take back my suggestion LOL unless it is fair for TTT to invite them

rowtareh?

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18+ section would probably not work well at all. If somebody wants **** that bad, they can search for it. And plus somebody mediating an 18+ section is really stupid. Moderators already have enough to do, I don't want to make sure somebody is not posting gay **** or 2girls1cup type filth.

ilike2eatricers

what about a section where you enter at your own risk and expect to get made fun of and/or offended and cannot complain

F1blueRx7

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DoO already exists.

rowtareh?

iTrader: (1)

Stan- That would eventually leak over into other sections of the forum, leaving it pure hell for moderators to deal with. It's got bad news written all over it.

All it will be is threads like this:

"certain image of ****."

20 posts like this:

"i'd hit it"
or
"zomg! nice ***"

Or some stupid crap like that. Somebody will act stupid and leak it into the lounge and they will be banned.

2ndGen.rocket

Thanks for doing this guys, hopefully something good will come of it.

JSmith0101

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+1

lax-rotor

iTrader: (1)

Would it be possible to have a plugin for the forums that allows proper viewing on mobile devices (PDA, Cell Phone, etc). For instance:
http://www.forummonkeys.com/product....9&cat=1&page=1
http://www.google.com/palm
http://forums.crackberry.com
etc.
I think it would be nice for those of us that have wireless access to just flip out the PDA/Cell Phone and bring up the forum to ask questions while wrenching on the ride, or while we're sitting in really boring meetings.

Rx-7Doctor

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I'll address each one.

All that were contacted concerning this matter were told that they could finish up a specific amount of threads that they had open. After that they were informed that they were not to post any more for sale threads unless they paid for advertising.

As far as the question of reducing threads, there is no policy on that. We are working on the clear definition of the listed rule-
- No Dealers in the classified sections. A dealer is defined as anyone who is selling more than 2 of the same product, or who repeatedly has items for sale.

What I have stated in other threads and in pm's sent to members concerning this. The term "Dealer" is just a reference term and that is the problem that members are having understanding this. It is has nothing to do with running a "Business", making a profit, or anything else for that matter. It was put there as a reference only. It could be stated as this.

Members are allowed a certain amount of threads per, month, quarter, year, etc... Any excess of this listed amount would classify you as a "Frequent" seller. Frequent sellers must pay for advertising. We have different level packages to offer depending on your projected thread needs., Blah, Blah, etc......

This would pertain to private sellers. A private seller would be categorized as one that does not own a "Business". Just one that needs to frequently sell parts more so than the average member.


Rules are always subject to interpretation of the reader, that is the problem. To have a fully "Defined" set of rules would require extensive examples. It has always been that using common sense and judgment was the key. However members seem to view the definition to either apply to them or have them look for a loop hole and attempt to undermine the system.

When there were threads on this and we asked for alternative solutions there were many members that just turned it into a "Bitch" fest. There is always room for improvement in anything. The bringing forward of alternative solutions in a constructive manner is what it needed. Not the bitching, poor me, there was never an issue before attitude.

There has and still is issues in the classified sections. Not as much now as there was in the past concerning problem sellers or "Scum" as I refer to them. That is because of the crackdown in the classifieds watching for self-proclaimed vendors and those joining the Club and the only thing you see if them selling The next minute you find out that members have not gotten their parts and there is a post in the bad guy section.

I know how many problems are associated with selling because I handle these problem sellers and work with the buyers in resolving this. Everyone knows that I have banned a lot of sellers from this Club concerning their unacceptable selling practices and constantly monitor the classifieds for repeat problems. So yes there are problems in the classifieds.

No one is stating that we don't need to come up with clearer rules and an alternative plan for private and Business members alike. It is being worked on. I have been dealing with this for many months trying to get this resolved and over with . However it is not up to me or the mod staff to get this changed. It is up to all involved to work towards a solution in a positive manner.

If Ryan wants to resolve this and change the rules overnight, Great, I am going to follow whatever changes there are. I can tell you that there we proposals sent forward to IB this week addressing this. If these proposals are approved and implemented then those with frequent seller needs will be able to afford the fees with different levels being offered to them. I can tell you that the small Business owner such as Kevin will be able to afford advertising on this site.

It is a shame that it has had to come to this and that this Club is being torn apart over the selling of parts. However sometimes these things happen for the good and I feel that if we can get things settled and get IB's approval that all of this will be a thing of the past and the Club will work towards the "Healing" process.

All I am asking is that you keep an open mind, be a little more patient and things will happen. Focusing on the issue is not the answer. Focusing on the resolution is.

RETed

OEC needs to be cleaned up, period.
Why should I get a warning for saying "FAIL" too many times in a reply, when members in OEC are flat out breaking forums rules about harassment / vulgar / rude?
Why are these guys "special"?


-Ted

Rx-7Doctor

iTrader: (13)

TED?

What is OEC?

jgrewe

iTrader: (1)

In regards to the frequent seller, dealer,"Platinum Level" Patron ( where we get the Yanni DVD set) or whatever, I recently posted that I was making fiberglass molds for one of my cars that I'm building for vintage racing. How will something like that be handled since it could be a recurring part for sale but the market will end up to be around 6 or 7 in one first rush then maybe 1 a year after that demand is met? I'm not making the mold to make millions of dollars(RX2 parts), I'm making them because I use the part myself and would like to offer them to help people that don't have the skills or facilities to do it themselves.

Something to keep in mind, the most valuable people on the forum are ones that have taken these cars apart and put them back together correctly. Some of these people make their living working on these cars, some don't. A person that has a steady stream of cars through their life will end up with parts left over. Many people come to a forum just to find unavailable parts. If you run the people off who really know these cars because they are selling parts, you will not have the traffic that comes and gets a correct answer or useful help. So you end up with fewer people seeing the ads in the short term and in the long term you lose your dealers and advertisers.

Hopefully there will be some middle ground that leaves both sides pissed, then we'll know its a good compromise.

F1blueRx7

iTrader: (5)

It seems hindsight being 20-20 it would have been a much better move for moderators and IB to further define the rules FIRST, setup and put in place the tiered seller program, setup a way to purchase advertising packages online, then begin enforcing the new rules. I think thats why there has been such terrible blowback by the community.

Rx7club has effectively put the cart before the horse here. Perhaps (and this is just a suggestion) the moderator staff should back down and let the properly designed and collaborated advertising structure be implemented prior to further action.

It's difficult for the average Rx7 community folk to identify with how exactly a non-paying vendor is hurting the community. Typically the common view (and this is very apparent if you read what the mob has been saying) is this board exists for free exchange. Be it ideas, product or what have you. Not all of these folks have buisness degrees, nor understand how revenue on the internet is generated. Some of them probably aren't even old enough to recall the previous dot-com bust or how it affected internet advertising.

I read what you're saying Doc, and understand you moderators are working on the backend with IB. I for one am holding an open mind to see what will happen with Ryans conference call. I do hope some good can come out of it and resolve this back sliding of the community.

Rx-7Doctor

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I am in agreement here on this. We have made an error in judgment on this issue being this much of a concern with members. All we can do now is push forward the resolve that we have proposed and get on with life. Believe me there is probably no one more frustrated and fed up with this issue than myself.

As far as non-paying vendors(ones that own businesses).

It's obvious that they will have to pay for advertising. That is only fair since we have those businesses that are paying for the privilege to advertise on this site.
The only issue there is the cost and that is why we submitted a different structured plan to accommodate those with special needs.

RETed

Sorry, Other Engine Conversions.
Click on any of the long threads in there, and you know what I mean.
Does jimlab get a free pass in there???


-Ted