dates on buy/sell/trade sections...
11-30-07, 08:42 AM
#1
dates on buy/sell/trade sections...
Would it be possible to have the date/time of the original post for any thread in the buy/sell/trade sections be displayed with the title? automatically put in the title or displayed underneath it with the creator of the thread?
it could help give an idea of the availability of the items talked about in the thread. I do a search for "93 cluster hood" and get back 10 results, I could probably determine if the hood is already sold based on the date, i mean, if its a week old thread, then its probably gone! and i can't alway base it off the last post in the thread because some people post after the item is already sold/bought/traded.
it could help give an idea of the availability of the items talked about in the thread. I do a search for "93 cluster hood" and get back 10 results, I could probably determine if the hood is already sold based on the date, i mean, if its a week old thread, then its probably gone! and i can't alway base it off the last post in the thread because some people post after the item is already sold/bought/traded.
11-30-07, 07:27 PM
#6
Administrator
In order to make this happen the time/date settings would need to be setup like that across the forum, a very unlikely scenario.
Rather than making the forum cater to this need maybe more users (some already do) could be more considerate and actually post when items are sold so the threads could be closed.
Rather than making the forum cater to this need maybe more users (some already do) could be more considerate and actually post when items are sold so the threads could be closed.
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11-30-07, 08:29 PM
#8
Administrator
Nod, I'm not the "techie" admiin so I'm not sure what would have to be done to make it actually happen. I know it's not something that can be done through the GUI.
I'll flag it for the tech-geeks to look at though.
FWIW - Classifieds are now being cleaned up immensely compared to what they were months ago and old threads are being removed after a few months. This should lower the amount of false finds.
I'll flag it for the tech-geeks to look at though.
FWIW - Classifieds are now being cleaned up immensely compared to what they were months ago and old threads are being removed after a few months. This should lower the amount of false finds.
11-30-07, 08:50 PM
#9
A lot of people don't actually know they can lock their own FS/WTB thread when they want by just using the "thread tools" link. That should be made a sticky so it becomes common knowledge.
Man, it SURE would go a long way if sellers could edit their original posts to reflect price changes and part sales. There are some non-reading bastards on this forum, no matter how many times you post that XXX part is sold, all they look at is the first post, then hit reply without scanning the thread replies.
Man, it SURE would go a long way if sellers could edit their original posts to reflect price changes and part sales. There are some non-reading bastards on this forum, no matter how many times you post that XXX part is sold, all they look at is the first post, then hit reply without scanning the thread replies.
11-30-07, 08:59 PM
#11
Administrator
This has been discussed many times. The general moderator consensus is no.
The reason being is to discourage threads from being edited in fraudulent and dishonest ways and to prevent bad users from covering their tracks in disputed situations.
Threads updates and bumps are considered more than adequate for updating price changes and sales.
11-30-07, 09:10 PM
#12
I dont know how to do screenshots, but in the blue header at the top of every thread, right above the first post, are 4 topics over toward the right. One says "thread tools". The thread starter of topics in the classifieds (minus GGBG) sections can apparently close their own threads at any time using the option at the bottom of this tab.
11-30-07, 09:15 PM
#14
The reason being is to discourage threads from being edited in fraudulent and dishonest ways and to prevent bad users from covering their tracks in disputed situations.
Threads updates and bumps are considered more than adequate for updating price changes and sales.
Seriously, I have had situations where I posted that XXX item was sold, in BOLD and TEXT SIZE 7 font, and still had 5 other people post below that asking if it was still available, saying they would buy it, etc.
Hell, I still get PM's from year old FS threads of mine asking whether I still have XXX part or not. If I had the ability to edit the thread, I could remove those items from the first post altogether and save a lot of trouble and bandwidth.
The forum admins complain about excess bandwidth being used, yet when suggestions are given to resolve some of the issues no one cares to take action.
11-30-07, 10:13 PM
#15
Administrator
yes, it has been discussed and it never gets anywhere for some reason, even though the overwhelming majority of USERS agree it would be favorable.
Well then put a post or membership time limit on the feature, or only grant it to sellers who have proven trustworthy and ask a moderator personally for the privelege (like DoO).
If you had ever dealt with trying to sell 10-20 parts on this forum with the ILLITERATE SOB's cluttering up your thread, you would agree that it is ABSOLUTELY INADEQUATE.
Seriously, I have had situations where I posted that XXX item was sold, in BOLD and TEXT SIZE 7 font, and still had 5 other people post below that asking if it was still available, saying they would buy it, etc.
Hell, I still get PM's from year old FS threads of mine asking whether I still have XXX part or not. If I had the ability to edit the thread, I could remove those items from the first post altogether and save a lot of trouble and bandwidth.
The forum admins complain about excess bandwidth being used, yet when suggestions are given to resolve some of the issues no one cares to take action.
Well then put a post or membership time limit on the feature, or only grant it to sellers who have proven trustworthy and ask a moderator personally for the privelege (like DoO).
If you had ever dealt with trying to sell 10-20 parts on this forum with the ILLITERATE SOB's cluttering up your thread, you would agree that it is ABSOLUTELY INADEQUATE.
Seriously, I have had situations where I posted that XXX item was sold, in BOLD and TEXT SIZE 7 font, and still had 5 other people post below that asking if it was still available, saying they would buy it, etc.
Hell, I still get PM's from year old FS threads of mine asking whether I still have XXX part or not. If I had the ability to edit the thread, I could remove those items from the first post altogether and save a lot of trouble and bandwidth.
The forum admins complain about excess bandwidth being used, yet when suggestions are given to resolve some of the issues no one cares to take action.
lots of user have lots of suggestions they feel are favorable... doesn't mean they are correct or right for the forum
....put a post or membership time limit on the feature, or only grant it to sellers who have...
logistically a nightmare, besides who decides who is reputable and who isn't? You start pinning that responsibility on the forum staff and people are going to cry foul on favoritism and other relevant grounds....
..., I still get PM's from year old FS threads of mine asking whether I still have XXX part or not. If I had the ability to edit the thread, I could remove those items from the first post altogether and save a lot of trouble and bandwidth....
How is that possible? I have been removing threads that are 270 days or older (every couple of weeks) for the last year. Please point out such threads specifically as they must be getting overlooked.
The forum admins complain about excess bandwidth being used, yet when suggestions are given to resolve some of the issues no one cares to take action.
This is an outdated comment that holds much less relevance today since the servers are now hosted with IB. Deleting a few posts isn't going to make much of a differene..
12-01-07, 01:35 AM
#16
i could not lock a thread i started in teh SE Classified section, so i made one and got screen shot for it from the non-rotary classifieds...
this is when you first create the thread you can lock it right away:
http://cs.wcu.edu/~thouston/other/newthreadlock.PNG
this is when you are viewing the thread, you can lock it from the thread tools menu:
http://cs.wcu.edu/~thouston/other/dropdownlock.PNG
and you can also lock it from clicking the "Go Advanced" button for replying:
http://cs.wcu.edu/~thouston/other/replylock.PNG
so, hopefully that helps you out DrKillJoy
this is when you first create the thread you can lock it right away:
http://cs.wcu.edu/~thouston/other/newthreadlock.PNG
this is when you are viewing the thread, you can lock it from the thread tools menu:
http://cs.wcu.edu/~thouston/other/dropdownlock.PNG
and you can also lock it from clicking the "Go Advanced" button for replying:
http://cs.wcu.edu/~thouston/other/replylock.PNG
so, hopefully that helps you out DrKillJoy
12-01-07, 02:15 PM
#17
Just FYI, rx8club.com (owned by the same people, on the same servers, populated by some of the same people) allows long term editing of FS posts and they report no issues with the feature. I just sold a part there and promptly edited my ORIGINAL post to remove that part from view altogether. This just disproves all the BS about "ah, scammers would use it". Well guess what...if someone is going to scam, and people are dumb enough to fall for it, it doesnt really matter whether or not the original post gets edited.
logistically a nightmare,
No more than gaining access to DoO, or having to PM a mod when I want something edited in a post.
besides who decides who is reputable and who isn't?
Past selling history, duh! A member requests this feature, the mod looks up any GGBG threads and if there are no major issues the request gets granted, if there is even one legitimate complaint then it does not. IF they have no discernable history at all then it does not. How much simpler can it be? The guys that only sell one part every 6 month's won't even need to use this, and for the guys that sell a lot of parts consistently it will be very helpful in dealing with the forum illiterate. These are mostly going to be the same guys that already have good feedback to begin with (otherwise they would not still be selling, and people would not still be buying, would they?), so worrying about judging good versus bad sellers is a moot point IMO.
12-01-07, 02:33 PM
#19
Administrator
Past selling history proves nothing about the behavior of a user in the future.
There have been numerous "Good Guys" who have turned to the darkside and become "Bad Guys". For the forum to "endorse" users as Good Sellers then have one of those "Good Guys" take several users to the cleaners would only serve to hurt this proposed system.
The GG/BG section has no relevance in this situation because it is a chronicle of the PAST, not the future.
In any case of purchasing items from users online you should exercise caution, regardless of their past history.
Remember Good Guy Nathan Freedenberg?
There have been numerous "Good Guys" who have turned to the darkside and become "Bad Guys". For the forum to "endorse" users as Good Sellers then have one of those "Good Guys" take several users to the cleaners would only serve to hurt this proposed system.
The GG/BG section has no relevance in this situation because it is a chronicle of the PAST, not the future.
In any case of purchasing items from users online you should exercise caution, regardless of their past history.
Remember Good Guy Nathan Freedenberg?
12-01-07, 02:37 PM
#20
Administrator
Comparing the DoO to Classifieds.... I think not.
Essentially once your in the DoO it's a free-for-all... little to no moderation. Besides there is no money changing hands, nothing for sale.
Are you suggesting that once you get the thumbs up from the mods to enter the classfieds there should also be little to no moderation
Your comparing apples with onions.
Essentially once your in the DoO it's a free-for-all... little to no moderation. Besides there is no money changing hands, nothing for sale.
Are you suggesting that once you get the thumbs up from the mods to enter the classfieds there should also be little to no moderation
Your comparing apples with onions.
12-01-07, 02:45 PM
#21
Administrator
You don't know me, so you shouldn't feel compelled to educate me. I know all about RX8Club, I hold similar positions over there as well as well as work in an advisory fashion to the forum owners.
Fact is, the user base over there is a different type of user. They have different rules. Although those rules may grow closer together over the next 12 months.
Once those rules are abused the rules will be changed. Trust me, you haven't retained the ability to manage your threads over there as an accident it is a commonly discussed subject amongst many mods.
Fact is, the user base over there is a different type of user. They have different rules. Although those rules may grow closer together over the next 12 months.
Once those rules are abused the rules will be changed. Trust me, you haven't retained the ability to manage your threads over there as an accident it is a commonly discussed subject amongst many mods.
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