OMFG, definitely fight for it........... get legal assistance........ good luck and keep us update man!!!

 

After being at Porsche for a while now and having the chance to have some fun in these cars, I think I have figured it out. when I'm driving a car I can afford, I get pulled over all the time. In a Porsche, I never get pulled over, if anything, I get a thumbs up even if I'm over the limit. Difference that I can tell is a guy that owns a Porsche, Farrari etc. is they have enough money to get a laywer that can sue the cops and win. They have as much if not more money than a cop and the cops know it. For the rest of us, they know we don't have the financial backing to really go head to head with them.

 

In all the years I've lived in this city riddled with Exotic sports cars, I've only seen ONE Ferrari on the side of the road which I assume was for a traffic violation.

90% of the cars I see are the type either your mom would drive, or a trucker that lives in a trailer park would drive.

 

HEY!! Not all truckers live in trailer parks. In fact most of us get paid rather well. :P

Not me but I'm working on that very issue right now.

 

That wouldnt have anything to do with the fact that you see about 4 Ferrari's a year and about 5,000,000 + regulars cars would it? (lol)

 

I lived a block from the dealership for a number of years. They drive up my street on their way there. Its like they drive around in first gear all the time.


I have to say that 90% of exotic drivers are very responsible drivers. Around here at least.

 

since alot of the ppl that can afford exotic cars dont really know much about cars and thinks ohhhh exotics must be fast -.-, ovbiously cant drive for **** :P

 

That's insain! Were you driving with other people that you knew? There must be more to that story, why did you spend a night in jail?

I think we all knew the possibilities for police abuse of this law, but I think most sane people assumed that only rare occations would occur when people feel through the cracks and got screwed.

On the bright side I heard on CBC (TV) that apparently only 1/3 people charged under the "street racing" law are successfully prosecuted [sic] (persecuted).

 

A lot can't, but don't be fooled, a lot of people with those cars do speed often they just don't get caught or don't care. Most of the clients I have at work if they want to speed they rent the track. Unlike most of us, track rental is pocket change to them and they don't care.

 

You are exactly right! On June 16 at Mosport I am instructing at Mosport for a private day and 90% of the cars will be exotics. It is a closed event and there will probably be 20 cars if that. They close the track to spectators (most times) and have a great catered lunch to boot! (lol) These guys drive very sanely on the street and twice a year rent the track to run their cars the way they were meant to be driven!

 

They rent the track here too. Problem is, the street is safer. One lap on our track and you'd immediately agree the gravel pit at Lafarge is better. They wont fix it because they are tearing it down and probably not going to build a new one.

 

thats gotta be more to do with price then anything.. Joe Ijit like myself is far more likely to throw a FC he rezzed from pick n pull around like life is a video game knowing i can fix it on the cheap when i bounce off the curb or perhaps a tree..

i just cant see a ferrari owners hammerin a curb or taking an "offtrack excursion" an gettin out to laugh about it (the one gumball episode aside)

 

This is a damn outrage that this happened. You who are defending these laws and this cop's action are out of your mind. This is turning into a police state and it's brainwashed sheep like you in agreement that allow this to happen.

I hope you beat the charge. I hope the cop gets some disease.

 

I don't understand, isn't the CAA or other such associations jumping on this?
First, it's clear that in that case there was no speeding involved, even the ticket will show that.
Second, there was no other car involved, therefore no "racing" can be done.
Third, to make an exhibition of speed or losing traction, there needs to be someone to exhibit to: a crowd, or spectators. Again, I don't believe this is the case and I'm sure there is no mention of it on the ticket either. How can you be exhibiting if there is no one to watch you?

I don't understand how a Judge of peace could convict you on the proof (or lack of such proof) against you.

And that's also a deliberate act of your government to prevent you from using your property for a week, and to top it off, making you pay for the tow and impound fees.
Ironically, they have no way to prove INTENT on the charges they hold against you, but you have more than enough proof to show INTENT on their end, to entrap you, prevent you from having access to your own car, and defraud you of a large sum of money.

Again, why isn't any sort of association such as CAA helping to fight this law? They should at the very least obtain an injunction preventing this law from bieng applied until a Court can statute on it.

 

Another roadblock are the Justice of the Peace
JPs have no law training whatsoever. They are merely model citizens with more than 10 yrs of working experience and an university degree.

http://www.ontariocourts.on.ca/jpaac...lification.htm

To tell the true, they will most likely be influenced by the media and side with Fantino. I had first hand experience with this. I sucked it up with a plea bargin since appealing at a higher court would be financial crippling.

I wish you the best of luck if you plan to challenge this and might not end until you are before the Supreme Courts.

 

go die in a fire, troll

 

hey b18cya:

"and If morons like you want to waste your money and fight it then go ahead, but you won't win.. its ZERO TOLERANCE. the cop basically gets to be the Judge, Jury, and the Executioner."???...and all the other stupid **** you said that I couldn't be bothered to quote

You gotta be the best typist with Down's Syndrome or something. You're an ignorant, insulting *******. You're happy the cops have this much power? Maybe you are a cop? You would have enjoyed **** Germany too perhaps. This is turning into a police state and anyone who enjoys that or is blind to it is braindead. Get lost and stop insulting people in here.

Do I think we should be flying through school zones at 120 kmh? Of course not. There's a time and place. This absolute war on the middle class's attempt to own nice things and enjoy life is complete bullshit. It's nothing but taxation, dumbass. You said mods shouldn't even be allowed on cars. So someone can't modify a 115hp Civic to give it 160, but buying a stock Corvette is ok with you? Use your ******* head dipshit. I know you're missing chromosomes, but still.

 

".. maybe they should make it illegal to modify a car period..."

Possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard. What if a car is modified to improve it's 60-0 time? What if it becomes lighter, making the car handle better, make it more stable or balanced, and again, stop sooner? What if the modified car still is nothing in performance compared to a huge list of stock high-priced cars? God, do you have a brain?

 

LEAVE CIVICS ALONE!!!


Street racing makes good news which in turn makes this law look good for politicians every time someone is caught. So I doubt it's going away anytime soon.

Are people who drive modified cars a menace on the road? Sure there are a few bad apples that places everyone in a bad light. But I tend to think there are other dangers that are just as bad; for example people who talk on cell phones; yet they get a slap on the wrist. Why? because it doesn't make good news and everyone and their dog has done it at least once. "It can't be dangerous because I do it" type of attitude.

Car enthusiasts and cops have their own biases which effects their perception in their favor. Car enthusiasts will stick together and cops will stick together skewing the situation to their side. Unfortunately it's us who get shafted even if we've done nothing wrong.

Maybe what we can do is protect ourselves. If you say you're as good a driver as you claim, then place a hidden camera in your car which will give a completely unbiased view of the situation.

 

Problem with a camera is, it would probably need to have an external, third-person view, so that's impossible. Moreover, the my big issue with this law, and similar ones that are increasingly being adopted in US cities (allowing seizure and onerous fines and towing/storage fees for non-driving related offences, even, such as loud music or essentially loitering), is that penalties are instantly applied (the cop as judge, juror, and executioner element), and place the onus of proof on the accused, essentially reversing the principle of innocent-until-proven-guilty that underlies our justice system. Which in turn makes difficult, if not impossible, for someone falsely accused to obtain justice, and recompense for their costs and troubles from the state after sentence has already been applied.

Most cops are good cops, but there are bad ones, and there are bad detachments and even large municipalities where the "cop culture" already leans towards authoritian attitudes. Laws like Ontario's "street racing" law just invite abuse of process, as well as simple human error - but the accused is the one who pays either way.

We've heard plenty about Canadians and other foreigners in Mexican jails in recent months on trumped up or dubious charges, and about how sketchy police investigations can be down there. Mexico is a country where the premise of guilty until proven innocent is the basis of the justice system. It is a principal that invites abuse by authorities, either for personal gain (ie, extortion/blackmail), or simply because it's easy to go with your first guess and throw someone, anyone, in jail to appear you (the State authority figure) are getting something done. It is a system that doesn't invite nearly so thorough an examination of evidence as does our system, which is why I am loathe to see our legal system devolve in this direction.

 

I don't think modified cars are the issue. Most people who spend that kind of time and energy into their ride don't tend to drive it dangerously and risk losing it by accident or cop. From what I've seen, the ones who are most of a danger are the clueless punks showing off in mom's Topaz, or Neon, etc (insert your average family wagon here).

 

The thing that bothers me most is that while they can own you on the side of the road for something, there are people murdering other people who get a fair trial and quite often get off or get some menial penalty... sick...

 

holy ****, ur right, after all this time, i finally realized that
F*C* thats crazy

hmmm, so now if i want to speed and drive a highly modded car, ill go to the states, and if i wanna shoot somebody , ill go come back to canada
sweeet

 

EXACTLY. Thank you sir.

 

^ You know I never thought of that either.

Of course you do all know you can sue the municipality for the towing fees and the headache of the suspended licence and week without a car, once and if you win in court against the charges. Include your lawyers fees in the suit and your should be good to go. Enough people start doing this they will (maybe, big maybe)realise the poor foresight they invested in this law. It's nice that they can take your car and licence for a week, yet your court date won't be so soon, so you can't even fight to have your licence reinstated and have your car returned to you early. And so if you are truly in the right, sue the bastards and let them feel it. Maybe the supervisors will tell the patrolmen/women to use a little better judgment if mayor whoever gets sick of signing checks to those of us that get nailed with this BS.

And if your are truly in the wrong, well we've seen how easily they do it, so relax a bit on the road until this **** blows over or someone shoots Fantino. The most fun for me is straight acceleration up to the speed limit then instantly letting off. Gives a good rush. Or just a few over the limit. But then again here in London, 20 over is the norm. Also flooring it in second under the train overpasses is nice. Get few looks and it sounds fantastic.