New CSCS Rules LOL
03-12-14, 06:36 PM
#26
Charles, I think your just reading what you want to read or taking it however you want to take it. I take no satisfaction in any of this. I am just bringing up the rules that will affect me and Ken also. I complain, so what? It's the internet, who cares.
Also, I'll be the first to agree completely 100% with you on the safety, how my car is unsafe and how I'm an idiot for doing so. Most people don't know but my doors are carbon fiber so I'm essentially dead or badly injured or paralyzed if I get T-boned. Probably won't end up well if I flip either, probably similar scenario, especially the speeds I'm going at and taking corners. It is something I understand and choose to continue to do. I will never cage my car, no matter who wants me to. If the time attacks have a problem with that, back to lapping for me. It's my car, I intend to keep it indefinitely as a street car, not turn it into a race car and then sell it after I lost interest. Cops can harass you for just having a bolt-in hoop, let alone a full cage.
I am not giving advice, I am stating how the rules will affect me. My mind on the matter was made up long ago so sue me. You may not like, in fact I KNOW nobody likes it. Technically neither do I, I know I'm stupid but my car is not getting a cage and that is that.
Now this, I need to ask you. Where is this coming from? Have I offended you in some way? Are we no longer friends? I don't understand. What does what I choose to do with my car have anything to do with my business? My car is my own, not a how to build a car book. Everyone wants different things with their cars and advice is tailored to each individual, there is no one size fits all. I've been making people's cars run for 5 years and everyone has always been happy with my work and advice that keeps their cars reliable so I don't see why anything would change now.
And burn bridges? Bridges are only burnt if someone else wants a bridge burnt, I'm friends with everybody, I'm a friendly guy
Blah this was long and upsetting. What a time waster...
thewird
Also, I'll be the first to agree completely 100% with you on the safety, how my car is unsafe and how I'm an idiot for doing so. Most people don't know but my doors are carbon fiber so I'm essentially dead or badly injured or paralyzed if I get T-boned. Probably won't end up well if I flip either, probably similar scenario, especially the speeds I'm going at and taking corners. It is something I understand and choose to continue to do. I will never cage my car, no matter who wants me to. If the time attacks have a problem with that, back to lapping for me. It's my car, I intend to keep it indefinitely as a street car, not turn it into a race car and then sell it after I lost interest. Cops can harass you for just having a bolt-in hoop, let alone a full cage.
I am not giving advice, I am stating how the rules will affect me. My mind on the matter was made up long ago so sue me. You may not like, in fact I KNOW nobody likes it. Technically neither do I, I know I'm stupid but my car is not getting a cage and that is that.
I don't mean to be too offensive here Marco, but you're starting a business in this community and you're setting a terrible example for new racers and spreading some of the worst advice I've ever seen, for people who are supposed to trust you with their cars, track advice, etc. "Nah, don't worry about safety equipment and complain about the rules." Whether you truly care about this or not, I think, will determine how long-term your success will be when the shop opens it's doors. Lord knows how many bridges you're burning already...
And burn bridges? Bridges are only burnt if someone else wants a bridge burnt, I'm friends with everybody, I'm a friendly guy
Blah this was long and upsetting. What a time waster...
thewird
03-12-14, 08:02 PM
#28
Just an overreaction on my part it seems - I guess I'm taking the comments a little too seriously since everyone is on the same bandwagon bashing the changing rules, especially that wonderful place Facebook. Apologies. I don't like telling people what to do with their car and I certainly enjoy those out of the norm.
What I see in CSCS is a grassroots series that's trying to adapt to a quickly growing and evolving field, then they make a few oversights in some rule changes and everyone mocks them or plays them off as ridiculous and they don't know what they're doing. It only adds the image of 'unprofessionalism' that a lot of the more 'mature' series (I say mature for the crowds, no offense lol) seem to complain about. Not to mention, it isn't as 'grassroots' as it once was so they have to play a balance game between street cars that are doing 1:16's, and racecars with slicks that are doing 1:18's.
Anyways, I see your point. You're just commenting on the changes that affect you, so I apologize.
What I see in CSCS is a grassroots series that's trying to adapt to a quickly growing and evolving field, then they make a few oversights in some rule changes and everyone mocks them or plays them off as ridiculous and they don't know what they're doing. It only adds the image of 'unprofessionalism' that a lot of the more 'mature' series (I say mature for the crowds, no offense lol) seem to complain about. Not to mention, it isn't as 'grassroots' as it once was so they have to play a balance game between street cars that are doing 1:16's, and racecars with slicks that are doing 1:18's.
Anyways, I see your point. You're just commenting on the changes that affect you, so I apologize.
03-13-14, 04:01 PM
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Whoa that escalated quickly 
Im surprised that it was between marco and charles, both of you guys are some of the nicest people so can we all just get along. Charles, that was a bit harsh, deserved or not. Marco, you have to be aware also of how you come across on the interwebs because your "nice guy" doesnt translate well in your written word lol. Regardless i consider you both friends so im glad this is resolved.
My gripe with the rules is that we are being penalized for safety. Its marco's perogative if he wants to address his safety or not. A lot of people would rather spend their money on other things, but me i want to be safe. Id rather have spent the money than regret not doing it when im lying paralyzed or burnt in the hospital.
I work in the ER and i see this **** happen too often and these are not even on the track. The amount of people (intermediate or novice) during cscs running too close to each other, having more ego than talent and a blatant disregard for the rules of racing scare the **** out of me. Since i have no control over them, ill do something about what i can control which is my safety, my car.
What my gripe with the rules was with how late it was released, having spent a lot of my hard earned money for a proper cage only to be moved up a class because i value safety. Unfortunately the "racers" that were approached during the rules making automatically equate a full cage/rollbar as a full blown racecar. In the same breath if i took a stock mini and caged it without any other mods, does it make sense the car is now unlimited?
Like i said before the revisions, i can accept my dumptubes being unsafe because i could get oil in my windshield so fine. I think that people who add safety equipment should not be penalized, OTA awards safety equipment with pips. Sure it stiffens the chassis etc, but now you have 130-180lbs of ballast, which doesnt help you gain speed no matter how stiff your chassis is.
The issue why i did not bother contacting Chris P. When the rules first came out was because i felt betrayed tbh. Myself and stagefour have supported cscs for a few years now and it seemed that two of our cars were "targeted". I have spoken to chris since then and even with the revisions to allow a rollcage in ss, im still up in the air to which class i belong to.
With the "****" rule (as the interwebs have been referring to, not my words) they have the right to reclassify your car on race day despite on whats been agreed upon. Id hate to buy ss tires then be thrown into unlimited because of whatever factors happen to act on the officials on race day.
Im surprised that it was between marco and charles, both of you guys are some of the nicest people so can we all just get along. Charles, that was a bit harsh, deserved or not. Marco, you have to be aware also of how you come across on the interwebs because your "nice guy" doesnt translate well in your written word lol. Regardless i consider you both friends so im glad this is resolved.
My gripe with the rules is that we are being penalized for safety. Its marco's perogative if he wants to address his safety or not. A lot of people would rather spend their money on other things, but me i want to be safe. Id rather have spent the money than regret not doing it when im lying paralyzed or burnt in the hospital.
I work in the ER and i see this **** happen too often and these are not even on the track. The amount of people (intermediate or novice) during cscs running too close to each other, having more ego than talent and a blatant disregard for the rules of racing scare the **** out of me. Since i have no control over them, ill do something about what i can control which is my safety, my car.
What my gripe with the rules was with how late it was released, having spent a lot of my hard earned money for a proper cage only to be moved up a class because i value safety. Unfortunately the "racers" that were approached during the rules making automatically equate a full cage/rollbar as a full blown racecar. In the same breath if i took a stock mini and caged it without any other mods, does it make sense the car is now unlimited?
Like i said before the revisions, i can accept my dumptubes being unsafe because i could get oil in my windshield so fine. I think that people who add safety equipment should not be penalized, OTA awards safety equipment with pips. Sure it stiffens the chassis etc, but now you have 130-180lbs of ballast, which doesnt help you gain speed no matter how stiff your chassis is.
The issue why i did not bother contacting Chris P. When the rules first came out was because i felt betrayed tbh. Myself and stagefour have supported cscs for a few years now and it seemed that two of our cars were "targeted". I have spoken to chris since then and even with the revisions to allow a rollcage in ss, im still up in the air to which class i belong to.
With the "****" rule (as the interwebs have been referring to, not my words) they have the right to reclassify your car on race day despite on whats been agreed upon. Id hate to buy ss tires then be thrown into unlimited because of whatever factors happen to act on the officials on race day.
03-13-14, 05:37 PM
#30
Okay guys, I've been waiting for a while to see how this ends but seriously a few things:
prenote:Roen, I work for CSCS but these views do not necessarily reflect those of CSCS or it's staff, all my personal opinion
Also, Roen: the top 3 cars in Unlimited RWD last season were all Rx7's respectively. The Rx7 community has a great turnout for CSCS Racing and all of the staff at CSCS love rotaries as CanJam used to be an rx7 shop.
1. Ken, Chris called you and spoke to you specifically in regards to your car, BUT your previous post is wrong, rollbars (4pt) were always legal in street class (and still are)
Street class is for street cars. Not slow unmodded cars, but true street cars. Here's the thing, let's say you buy a stock WRX and want to go racing but you're LEGITIMATELY CONCERNED FOR YOUR SAFETY and you decide to upgrade, chances are you will go the route Scott Shadbolt has: PROPER FIA CERTIFIED RACING SEATS, 4/6pt rollbar, harnesses, extinguisher, etc. Scott's car (an e46 m3 for those unaware) now goes from super street to street with our new rules (unless he changed something, iono). We, in no way, EVER, discouraged people from pursuing safety in their vehicles. NOW, how many people with a true street car, concerned with their safety, are going to go straight from stock WRX to stock WRX with full rollcage?? I would argue not many. I would argue, the people with a full rollcage in their cars are already building powerful highly modified track cars. In fact, the only person in street class with a rollcage in 2013 was Luigi...well, Luigi's car is an EX-CCTC car! A full blown racecar.
Ken, I don't tech CSCS TA, but honestly...do you really think your car doesn't belong in unlimited? The only thing keeping it from that class is tires at this point.
2. I 100% completely and entirely agree that we could have released the TA rulebook earlier, but many personal and unforeseen circumstances kept us from doing so. I'm sure many of you have seen Howards post on why SRTA is ONLY doing TMP this season, and honestly, we can relate. We all have 9-5's and do this part time, for fun, because we love racing as much as you guys do. We're trying our best here, and trust me when I say we don't sit around and talk **** about anybodys car or setup NOR do we intentionally try to penalize people. We want to push the series forward because the competitors keep going faster! We're all growing in this together, honestly, some comradery and respest would go a LONG way.
3. On that topic of respect...facebook is a joke right now. Do you know how bad this makes the series look when we're out there knocking on doors trying to get sponsorships so we can enhance the series, with say, things like prize money.
prenote:Roen, I work for CSCS but these views do not necessarily reflect those of CSCS or it's staff, all my personal opinion
Also, Roen: the top 3 cars in Unlimited RWD last season were all Rx7's respectively. The Rx7 community has a great turnout for CSCS Racing and all of the staff at CSCS love rotaries as CanJam used to be an rx7 shop.
1. Ken, Chris called you and spoke to you specifically in regards to your car, BUT your previous post is wrong, rollbars (4pt) were always legal in street class (and still are)
Street class is for street cars. Not slow unmodded cars, but true street cars. Here's the thing, let's say you buy a stock WRX and want to go racing but you're LEGITIMATELY CONCERNED FOR YOUR SAFETY and you decide to upgrade, chances are you will go the route Scott Shadbolt has: PROPER FIA CERTIFIED RACING SEATS, 4/6pt rollbar, harnesses, extinguisher, etc. Scott's car (an e46 m3 for those unaware) now goes from super street to street with our new rules (unless he changed something, iono). We, in no way, EVER, discouraged people from pursuing safety in their vehicles. NOW, how many people with a true street car, concerned with their safety, are going to go straight from stock WRX to stock WRX with full rollcage?? I would argue not many. I would argue, the people with a full rollcage in their cars are already building powerful highly modified track cars. In fact, the only person in street class with a rollcage in 2013 was Luigi...well, Luigi's car is an EX-CCTC car! A full blown racecar.
Ken, I don't tech CSCS TA, but honestly...do you really think your car doesn't belong in unlimited? The only thing keeping it from that class is tires at this point.
2. I 100% completely and entirely agree that we could have released the TA rulebook earlier, but many personal and unforeseen circumstances kept us from doing so. I'm sure many of you have seen Howards post on why SRTA is ONLY doing TMP this season, and honestly, we can relate. We all have 9-5's and do this part time, for fun, because we love racing as much as you guys do. We're trying our best here, and trust me when I say we don't sit around and talk **** about anybodys car or setup NOR do we intentionally try to penalize people. We want to push the series forward because the competitors keep going faster! We're all growing in this together, honestly, some comradery and respest would go a LONG way.
3. On that topic of respect...facebook is a joke right now. Do you know how bad this makes the series look when we're out there knocking on doors trying to get sponsorships so we can enhance the series, with say, things like prize money.
03-13-14, 06:18 PM
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1. Mikal, I did the exact same safety mods that scott 2 years ago. Approved 4 point, fia approved omp seat and harnessess and fire suppression. I ran street class 2 years ago with no problems, and even ran the same setup in superstreet last year (well for the one event the car made it to). The only different this year is i added a full cage. And yes i know it is legal with the new rules. My post was addressing marco's stand against caging his car.
2. If i think my car should be in unlimited then i would not be having a hard time with this now would i? What makes you think that my car should be unlimited based on the mods that i have? Please enlighten me because everyone else seems to knows my car better than me.
I did speak with chris last night and we briefly talked about the issues (until he has time for a convo this week) . I have agreed that the revisions have helped not just me, but a lot of people. The roll cage was the only issue i had about the rules. I had aero and exhaust mods that were not legal because of the new rules but i expressed no issue fixing them. My wing is high and the dump tubes will be routed elsewhere.
At its current state with the roll cage now allowed, and with lowering my wing and re routing my dumptubes, does the car not fit into the ss rules/guidelines?
You can cite my tires as anchoring me to ss, how about a certain 350z running the same aero mods, better tires, and sasha's ex-race car vq in his car who is running faster times than myself? His car is lightened in the interior as far as the rules allow no? So you tell me, optimizing your car within/to the inch of the rules is now a fault? Just because people choose not to optimize their cars the same way does not mean we are "cheating".
But ill have a chat with Chris and go from there.
2. If i think my car should be in unlimited then i would not be having a hard time with this now would i? What makes you think that my car should be unlimited based on the mods that i have? Please enlighten me because everyone else seems to knows my car better than me.
I did speak with chris last night and we briefly talked about the issues (until he has time for a convo this week) . I have agreed that the revisions have helped not just me, but a lot of people. The roll cage was the only issue i had about the rules. I had aero and exhaust mods that were not legal because of the new rules but i expressed no issue fixing them. My wing is high and the dump tubes will be routed elsewhere.
At its current state with the roll cage now allowed, and with lowering my wing and re routing my dumptubes, does the car not fit into the ss rules/guidelines?
You can cite my tires as anchoring me to ss, how about a certain 350z running the same aero mods, better tires, and sasha's ex-race car vq in his car who is running faster times than myself? His car is lightened in the interior as far as the rules allow no? So you tell me, optimizing your car within/to the inch of the rules is now a fault? Just because people choose not to optimize their cars the same way does not mean we are "cheating".
But ill have a chat with Chris and go from there.
03-13-14, 07:45 PM
#32
I think regardless of how many cars in previous years fall into the three classes based on the new rules, the issue at hand is that the rules still penalize safety. Let's take a perfect example of a car that would be classified as supersport (previously unlimited before the rule revision), Top Gear's reasonably priced car. A car that is more focused on safety than outright performance gets a class penalty because of it. Let's go the other route, how many turbo civics are out there pumping out 2 or 3 times (or more) its stock power output with absolutely no focus on better brakes, rollover protection or anything related to safety yet these cars are allowed to run in the street class.
The new rules partially addressed this by allowing cages in supersport but still penalize cars in street. Overall I think the rule changes fixed a lot of problems raised but it also introduced a new problem (by virtue of trying to solve another).
It should not be a surprise that the vast majority of racers are going to build as fast a car as they can within the rules of that respective class, such is the nature of competitive racing. I don't think its fair to say that KeNs car belongs in unlimited and therefore he shouldn't complain if his car is classed as such, if the objective requirements put him in SS, he'll optimize his car and tires for that class, if he is in unlimited, he'll optimize his car for that. This subjective we'll put you whereever we want depending on how we feel is poisonous to racers building their cars and is going to only cause further issues moving forward.
The new rules partially addressed this by allowing cages in supersport but still penalize cars in street. Overall I think the rule changes fixed a lot of problems raised but it also introduced a new problem (by virtue of trying to solve another).
It should not be a surprise that the vast majority of racers are going to build as fast a car as they can within the rules of that respective class, such is the nature of competitive racing. I don't think its fair to say that KeNs car belongs in unlimited and therefore he shouldn't complain if his car is classed as such, if the objective requirements put him in SS, he'll optimize his car and tires for that class, if he is in unlimited, he'll optimize his car for that. This subjective we'll put you whereever we want depending on how we feel is poisonous to racers building their cars and is going to only cause further issues moving forward.
03-13-14, 07:52 PM
#33
Similar issue with this
1.3.3. CSCS may approve or disapprove the content, placement and size of any advertising, decal or sponsorship identification for any reason.
It is too subjective, are you going to ask stagefourmotorsports to take off all of their decals? By the letter of the rules you would be within your right to do so. Or is the intent of this to only ask that racers cover up anything related to competing time attack organizations like SRTA and CASC? (Which I would also have an issue with)
1.3.3. CSCS may approve or disapprove the content, placement and size of any advertising, decal or sponsorship identification for any reason.
It is too subjective, are you going to ask stagefourmotorsports to take off all of their decals? By the letter of the rules you would be within your right to do so. Or is the intent of this to only ask that racers cover up anything related to competing time attack organizations like SRTA and CASC? (Which I would also have an issue with)
03-13-14, 08:01 PM
#34
My last two posts also have a very negative tone, I actually am very impressed with CSCS and the direction everything is headed. It is an iterative process and you'll never satisfy 100% of your clients but responding positively to feedback is precisely how you improve your service. Don't take the negative feedback personally and focus the changes on the material issues at hand and you guys will do great.
03-14-14, 10:20 AM
#36
Guys!!
AHHH, **HEADDESK** Honestly, I love all you guys but this is ridiculous. You all need to take 10 steps back.
Safety mods are not penalized, you can run a 4/6pt in street, that never changed, our rules follow SCCA regulations and pretty much every racing sanctioning body, no one is advocating for less safety at the track! In fact, go see how many crashes happen at GTA compared to us, call James Houghton and speak to him about his experience competing there...and I've already addressed the rulebook timing issue, which wasn't ideal but how about a little support for taking in everyone's considerations and making amendments as necessary.
My biggest issue is this:
No matter how much we do everyone complains, but no one is out here in September thanking us for a great season, for pulling off such hectic events, for providing a series that is GROWING and gets you EXPOSURE and pushes competition. It's really disheartening especially when we all should be supporting each other.
From here on out, PM me if you have any direct questions or most of you have my number, call me, we want to talk to you guys. I love this community, but I've learned no matter what can't make everyone happy.
MIBAGENTQ I've PM'd you - feel free to call me if you have any concerns or questions that actually need to be addressed, because from what I can see, you didn't compete at CSCS last year.
AHHH, **HEADDESK** Honestly, I love all you guys but this is ridiculous. You all need to take 10 steps back.
Safety mods are not penalized, you can run a 4/6pt in street, that never changed, our rules follow SCCA regulations and pretty much every racing sanctioning body, no one is advocating for less safety at the track! In fact, go see how many crashes happen at GTA compared to us, call James Houghton and speak to him about his experience competing there...and I've already addressed the rulebook timing issue, which wasn't ideal but how about a little support for taking in everyone's considerations and making amendments as necessary.
My biggest issue is this:
No matter how much we do everyone complains, but no one is out here in September thanking us for a great season, for pulling off such hectic events, for providing a series that is GROWING and gets you EXPOSURE and pushes competition. It's really disheartening especially when we all should be supporting each other.
From here on out, PM me if you have any direct questions or most of you have my number, call me, we want to talk to you guys. I love this community, but I've learned no matter what can't make everyone happy.
MIBAGENTQ I've PM'd you - feel free to call me if you have any concerns or questions that actually need to be addressed, because from what I can see, you didn't compete at CSCS last year.
03-14-14, 12:50 PM
#37
Ken no hard feelings, but your car should give my car a run for its money on slicks. Come play in unlimited.
Sounds like a lot of crying in this thread instead of talking to the guys at CSCS off of a public forum. They are doing there best to improve the series.
Andrew.
03-14-14, 03:36 PM
#38
I've seen this story year after year so trust me, you'll never satisfy everyone, you'll always get whiners regardless of whether you do nothing or if you change anything, but the bottom line is that you are actually reacting to feedback to improve things and that's what matters the most.
Im in HK so don't worry about calling, there is only one single major issue I still have and it is the reason why I didn't participate last year and only once the year before, that is the MTO harrasment that you guys are still experiencing. I believe you guys are working on that and I'm hoping for a positive resolution but it is a very large expenditure for me to buy both a tow vehicle and a trailer/dolly for my car, plus I still need to figure out where to store them. Renting a trailer or dolly from u-haul only gets me halfway there but I still dont own a car capable of towing and the cost to rent a tow truck from uhaul is cost prohibitive because of the mileage needed to get to and from any of the tracks.
Overall I think you guys are about to experience your most successful and busy season yet, hopefully no major accidents and flipped cars this year (how that civic flipped at DDT is still a freak accident, I was 2 cars behind him when it happened). I know that a lot of people including myself are extremely thankful for CSCS and for bringing time trial racing to the masses, you guys run the biggest and most recognized time attack series this side of the border in my opinion and are responsible for the success of the time attack scene in Ontario. Credit to CASC where it's due they run a different business and are successful in their own way but I think CSCS has a totally different level of exposure. I hope your drifting side of things expand as well, the cars always look hacked together though...
Im in HK so don't worry about calling, there is only one single major issue I still have and it is the reason why I didn't participate last year and only once the year before, that is the MTO harrasment that you guys are still experiencing. I believe you guys are working on that and I'm hoping for a positive resolution but it is a very large expenditure for me to buy both a tow vehicle and a trailer/dolly for my car, plus I still need to figure out where to store them. Renting a trailer or dolly from u-haul only gets me halfway there but I still dont own a car capable of towing and the cost to rent a tow truck from uhaul is cost prohibitive because of the mileage needed to get to and from any of the tracks.
Overall I think you guys are about to experience your most successful and busy season yet, hopefully no major accidents and flipped cars this year (how that civic flipped at DDT is still a freak accident, I was 2 cars behind him when it happened). I know that a lot of people including myself are extremely thankful for CSCS and for bringing time trial racing to the masses, you guys run the biggest and most recognized time attack series this side of the border in my opinion and are responsible for the success of the time attack scene in Ontario. Credit to CASC where it's due they run a different business and are successful in their own way but I think CSCS has a totally different level of exposure. I hope your drifting side of things expand as well, the cars always look hacked together though...
03-14-14, 06:32 PM
#39
Honestly, if I think there's even a chance that the MTO will be there when i want to go, I'll skip it.
I'd rather trailer 12 hours across the states than 2 hours across ontario anymore.
On the safety rules subject... I've never really cared for cages and etc but I do see their need.
However, I think if you are making people cage cars - it should be everyone with 400-500+ HP or noone. Making some fast cars get cages but not making "stock" 500+ hp cars (corvette, mclaren etc) not get cages seems silly to me. I haven't read your rulebook recently - and if you don't do this, then good! and my apologies.
I realize that my car is at the point where I should really have a cage in it and plan on putting one in before I try going 250+km/h down the back straight at mosport, etc.
03-14-14, 06:43 PM
#40
Marco you forgot the championship winning 360hp FC from last season. See you next season
Ken no hard feelings, but your car should give my car a run for its money on slicks. Come play in unlimited.
Sounds like a lot of crying in this thread instead of talking to the guys at CSCS off of a public forum. They are doing there best to improve the series.
Andrew.
Ken no hard feelings, but your car should give my car a run for its money on slicks. Come play in unlimited.
Sounds like a lot of crying in this thread instead of talking to the guys at CSCS off of a public forum. They are doing there best to improve the series.
Andrew.
. My current goal is to aim for the overall record as I'm pretty sure that my car's final state could have taken the the top rear wheel drive time if my brakes were working (I was double pumping into every corner and still set a 14.8) and I had a little more practice. I'm doing some serious balance, weight, and power changes to my car assuming nobody buys my engine, which I don't expect to sell honestly. There's a new track this year and I'll try to make it to Grand Bend also so that will be interesting seeing how the car and I work on unfamiliar territory.Looking forward to seeing you out there with a bit more power from the new engine. I'm still impressed how far you push your car with what you got.
thewird
03-27-14, 08:45 AM
#41
Woops, forgot about you Andrew. My goal from CSCS is probably completely opposite from yours. My one and only goal is to set the record so championship is all yours . My current goal is to aim for the overall record as I'm pretty sure that my car's final state could have taken the the top rear wheel drive time if my brakes were working (I was double pumping into every corner and still set a 14.8) and I had a little more practice. I'm doing some serious balance, weight, and power changes to my car assuming nobody buys my engine, which I don't expect to sell honestly. There's a new track this year and I'll try to make it to Grand Bend also so that will be interesting seeing how the car and I work on unfamiliar territory.
Looking forward to seeing you out there with a bit more power from the new engine. I'm still impressed how far you push your car with what you got.
thewird
. My current goal is to aim for the overall record as I'm pretty sure that my car's final state could have taken the the top rear wheel drive time if my brakes were working (I was double pumping into every corner and still set a 14.8) and I had a little more practice. I'm doing some serious balance, weight, and power changes to my car assuming nobody buys my engine, which I don't expect to sell honestly. There's a new track this year and I'll try to make it to Grand Bend also so that will be interesting seeing how the car and I work on unfamiliar territory.Looking forward to seeing you out there with a bit more power from the new engine. I'm still impressed how far you push your car with what you got.
thewird
Your car should be able to hit 1:12's if you get the balance and setup right. No doubt you will get the RWD record at Cayuga. Your car is a monster on the straights, it will like Grand Bend due to the big back straight. I just hope I can hold you off at Grand Bend using the high speed corners with my new aero setup...provided I can get the balance right.
I'm shooting for 1:14's this year at Cayuga, the power output will be the same. Hoping for around 350whp like last year. Jimmy K did the refresh on the motor for me, he did an awsome job! Also doing a lot of front end work on the car so we can run the car a little lower and I have only one major upgrade which I'm hoping buys me a couple of seconds on each track.
I attached a picture of how the car looks right now. Lots of work left!
Should be a fun year! Can't wait to see your beast go again, the sound is awesome.
Andrew.
03-27-14, 11:41 AM
#42
Rotary Freak
No worries Marco, I'm teasing you anyway
Your car should be able to hit 1:12's if you get the balance and setup right. No doubt you will get the RWD record at Cayuga. Your car is a monster on the straights, it will like Grand Bend due to the big back straight. I just hope I can hold you off at Grand Bend using the high speed corners with my new aero setup...provided I can get the balance right.
I'm shooting for 1:14's this year at Cayuga, the power output will be the same. Hoping for around 350whp like last year. Jimmy K did the refresh on the motor for me, he did an awsome job! Also doing a lot of front end work on the car so we can run the car a little lower and I have only one major upgrade which I'm hoping buys me a couple of seconds on each track.
I attached a picture of how the car looks right now. Lots of work left!
Should be a fun year! Can't wait to see your beast go again, the sound is awesome.
Andrew.
Your car should be able to hit 1:12's if you get the balance and setup right. No doubt you will get the RWD record at Cayuga. Your car is a monster on the straights, it will like Grand Bend due to the big back straight. I just hope I can hold you off at Grand Bend using the high speed corners with my new aero setup...provided I can get the balance right.
I'm shooting for 1:14's this year at Cayuga, the power output will be the same. Hoping for around 350whp like last year. Jimmy K did the refresh on the motor for me, he did an awsome job! Also doing a lot of front end work on the car so we can run the car a little lower and I have only one major upgrade which I'm hoping buys me a couple of seconds on each track.
I attached a picture of how the car looks right now. Lots of work left!
Should be a fun year! Can't wait to see your beast go again, the sound is awesome.
Andrew.
Wow, just wow.....
Eric
03-27-14, 08:19 PM
#44
Andrew is upgrading from ***** of steel to ***** of titanium with all that aero. Eric you should just sit at a corner and watch him come around, he's do or die with full trust in the car. I'm pretty sure his corner speed is faster then mine. I just have a lot of power and a lot of meat to put it down. I still can't trust my car yet, my brakes are failing me
2Fierce, I think the series hasn't changed so much tbh. The people participating however have improved vastly. It's no longer full of Honda kids putting doing stupid ****. I actually feel comfortable with the crowd during practice and have full confidence with most competitors to do 3 car passes down the straightaways. 3-4 years ago when I ran CSCS, I spent more time worrying about the people around me then driving.
thewird
2Fierce, I think the series hasn't changed so much tbh. The people participating however have improved vastly. It's no longer full of Honda kids putting doing stupid ****. I actually feel comfortable with the crowd during practice and have full confidence with most competitors to do 3 car passes down the straightaways
. 3-4 years ago when I ran CSCS, I spent more time worrying about the people around me then driving.thewird
03-27-14, 08:31 PM
#45
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Marco you forgot the championship winning 360hp FC from last season. See you next season
Ken no hard feelings, but your car should give my car a run for its money on slicks. Come play in unlimited.
Sounds like a lot of crying in this thread instead of talking to the guys at CSCS off of a public forum. They are doing there best to improve the series.
Andrew.
Ken no hard feelings, but your car should give my car a run for its money on slicks. Come play in unlimited.
Sounds like a lot of crying in this thread instead of talking to the guys at CSCS off of a public forum. They are doing there best to improve the series.
Andrew.
03-28-14, 06:58 AM
#46
Rotary Freak
If its a catch all class and at TMP, I would bring the Cougar out as its got 280 whp, close ratio Quaife box, monster suspension and weighs about 2,300 lbs. Far better car for a tighter track even though its FWD. That car would shake up the run groupings, LOL, especially if I ran it on slicks as its basically a BTCC style Cougar. Oh yeah, any noise restrictions? The Cougar is way louder than the RX7 and I am being serious.
Eric
03-28-14, 01:23 PM
#48
Rotary Freak
Yeah, thats what I thought. I have no chance in CSCS to do anything except finish dead last in Unlimited, so I might as well just come out to watch.
Maybe I should run my street car in a stock class. Where would my bone stock Jag XJR fit? Its a big heavy car with no mods.
Eric
Maybe I should run my street car in a stock class. Where would my bone stock Jag XJR fit? Its a big heavy car with no mods.
Eric
03-28-14, 03:12 PM
#50
Rotary Freak
So, to get a better feel for a CSCS Event, its open lapping in the morning with passing anywhere, then a series of timed laps in the afternoon. Are the timed laps individual or by run group and during your timed laps, can you pass anywhere or just on the straights?
Just trying to see if it makes any sense for me to come out to an event with the RX7 on slicks, so at least I could corner with anyone out there. If there isa lot of cars on track and no passing in the corners and I am lumped in with all the Unlimited cars, then I would be balked in the turns and then left for dead on the straights. Not a ton of fun as I would just get monster frustrated.
Eric
Just trying to see if it makes any sense for me to come out to an event with the RX7 on slicks, so at least I could corner with anyone out there. If there isa lot of cars on track and no passing in the corners and I am lumped in with all the Unlimited cars, then I would be balked in the turns and then left for dead on the straights. Not a ton of fun as I would just get monster frustrated.
Eric